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What makes Ninja Theory's Dante relate-able?

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I have no idea since I know so little about him to judge. I'll come back to this when I know more.

I don't know if I find DMC Dante relatable since I hate how kobayshi did him in 4 and the anime but I did love how he was handled by itsuno and bingo in 3 so I'm conflicted. 1 and 2 i'm neutral on. I think dante's main problem is that they can't figure out a balance between his coolness and actualy trying to develop the character. so the reason why I love in 3 was because he was that he had other concerns outside of looking cool which made me like him. Unlike kobayashi the wimp's Dante whose only concern was trying to be cool.

I think if Dante was better explained or actually allowed to explain how he felt rather than to be cool because the authors couldn't figure out what to do with him in 2,4,anime we would better receive those stories.

I think the main reason why you would find the characters of enslaved/heavenly sword more relatable than the cast of dmc is because I personally feel that the writers of nt put more effort in their storys then the writers of dmc or at least kobayashi did.

I think I'm interested in seeing the reboot since it's seems like a second chance for Dante to go on that journey to become that dude we see in 1 rather than be skipped ahead and seeing the end result. I more a fan of seeing that journey of him going from where he was the start of 3-1 rather than skip ahead and find out he is a ultra mega douche who is to cool to care.

Ya wonder why we don't see Enzo, it's because Dante was such a douche to him, he couldn't take it and quit. He was like " F*** you, you metrosexual Jpop star wanna bee" quit and decided to work for bayonet who is ten times the douche Dante was. Talk about jumping out the frying pan and into the fire.
 
I miss the Dante from DMC1, he had energy and the right additude, he was defiant without comming out as arrogant like he does in 3 and 4. They basicly turned him into a lazy hobo in the anime and the Versus type additude they gave him only really seemed tight on 3 and got played out on 4.
 
I don't think it's going too far to say that DmC Dante is pretty much already a character we can relate to. If people are using the fact that DMC Dante eats and reads magazines as relate-able points, then what does DmC Dante do when he is bored? DmC Dante doesn't just stand there doing nothing all day.

When we're talking about things that make either character relate-able. DMC Dante was never portrayed to have a weak side. Even as Tony Redgrave pointed out, he would hide his true emotions behind a false mask. How is that relate-able? That's a hard thing to do, considering the life he's had. DmC Dante is shown being tortured, he's gone through crap. He's been weak at times and trapped. Everybody feels trapped in modern day society. I feel trapped at times by the burdens of life and how things are. This portrayal of him as a man, a human, being treated unfairly is more relate-able than (As Asmodaius said before) a Dante walking around with ten million scythes in him as he whistles a humble tune eating a pizza. There's nothing in which I can relate to in that sense.
 
LordOfDarkness said:
, he would hide his true emotions behind a false mask. How is that relate-able?
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There are alot of people who do that in this day and age.

I know some of them actually.

Who have had family members killed in war or on the streets.

They hide their true feelings inorder to make their family and friends not worry so much about them but inside they are definitely hurting.

I think its all well and good you guys like this Dante but it just seems to me your just grasping at straws here, no offense intended of course.

Your saying that this new Dante being tortured and having a more "realistic" look makes him more relatable?

Despite the fact that the guy has not even been shown to utter a full sentence?

Did you read my post above?

I pointed out quite a few facts about the older Dante that makes him more human and there seems to be a good deal more than this new Dante would you agree?

Time will tell if this new Dante is indeed more relatable. But until the game comes out or alot more is revealed about the story and we get this Dante to say a full sentence than I just think its way to early to write this Dante off as more relatable.
 
^ That last bit is your opinion, please don't post it like a fact. And yes I did read your previous post, don't talk to me like I'm stupid.

A lot of people hide how they really feel to show that they are strong. Why? If you feel something, you should let it out. At least, that's what I think. That is what I don't relate to with DMC Dante. For me, he is less relate-able. I can't relate to someone who hides how they really are. I like it when people express their feelings. Yeah, Dante expressed his feelings at times, but for me it wasn't really enough.

I'm not clutching at straws, I'm just saying what I think. Ninja Theory are trying to make a more human Dante. Humans can relate to other humans. DMC Dante was trying to hide his human emotions and portray his power and strength as a demon. I can't relate to a demon, how could I possibly?

Therefore since DmC Dante is meant to come across as more human, then obviously the aim is to make him more relate-able to us.
 
LordOfDarkness said:
In what sense do you feel they do not understand the meaning behind the word? =/
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Well, it seems like, as you said, taking such trivial things such as eating pizza and reading magazines are thing what people here find are what makes DMC Dante relatable. I can understand what they mean by it, but that's not showing Dante's personality. From what we know, even the Devil could read magazines and eat pizza.

The way I define the word "relatable" is that I as a human-being can find points about the character that I can find in myself as well. Like, if I was chained up and tortured for days and days, then I too would turn skinny and weak, my mind would slowly degenerate and I would probably turn insane.

Eating pizza and reading magazines doesn't make Dante human. That just means he's hungry and bored. I guess that he eats pizza instead of devouring souls makes him more human than, say, the demons in the game, but it's not really something I would define as "relatable". It's more, how does Dante act under certain situations... Does he act through human nature or through supernatural means?
- Eating pizza while having several demonic scythes through his body = supernatural means.
- Breaking mentally down after torture = human nature.

Do you see my point?
 
Asmodaius said:
Do you see my point?
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I see your point.

I agree with you, as I essentially made the point earlier that people are viewing DMC Dante as relate-able just because he can eat a pizza and read magazines. And to go with my original comment that stated that DMC was all about being cool, Dante liking pizza and reading magazines just seems to be them trying to make him look cool. Not make him relate-able. You can hardly say, "Wow, this Dante MUST be just like me. He's eating a pizza and reading a magazine. I like pizza and magazines". I do like pizzas, I don't really read magazines though. But that isn't the point. Those are just things you do if you are hungry or need to pass the time.

Emotions and the way in which they are expressed is what makes a character relate-able, to me at least.

As you put it, DMC Dante is more supernatural. DmC Dante appears to be more human. The very fact that DmC Dante doesn't change into an actual Devil when he does Devil Trigger should also show you he is portrayed as more human. As I said, I can relate to human emotions/feelings and also relate to a character that knows how to express those emotions/feelings. Not to mention a character that looks more human. I can hardly relate to a six foot tall demonic creature.
 
LordOfDarkness said:
As you put it, DMC Dante is more supernatural. DmC Dante appears to be more human. The very fact that DmC Dante doesn't change into an actual Devil when he does Devil Trigger should also show you he is portrayed as more human. .
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I don't see how DMC Dante is any more supernatural than DmC Dante. DMC Dante is half human and demon. DmC Dante is half angel and demon.
And if DmC Dante's demon form is white hair and red jacket - then how exactly does that make him a demon? That would make him a super saiyan lol.
 
CoolDemon said:
I don't see how DMC Dante is any more supernatural than DmC Dante. DMC Dante is half human and demon. DmC Dante is half angel and demon.
And if DmC Dante's demon form is white hair and red jacket - then how exactly does that make him a demon? That would make him a super saiyan lol.
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I believe it was already made clear to us that DmC Dante has three forms. This is something I've had to mention, a million times. He is human, angel and demon.

And I also thought that it was made clear that DmC Dante did not turn demonic looking when he Devil Triggers. I believe it was stated that his white hair and redder coat is his 'demonic' form.
 
CoolDemon said:
I don't see how DMC Dante is any more supernatural than DmC Dante. DMC Dante is half human and demon. DmC Dante is half angel and demon.
And if DmC Dante's demon form is white hair and red jacket - then how exactly does that make him a demon? That would make him a super saiyan lol.
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It's not about if he IS supernatural or not, it is about how he ACTS. Again, you look only on the surface. Look beneath the surface where the emotions, reactions, feelings, thoughts... all those things. Not just his appearance or where his physical heritage lies.
 
LordOfDarkness said:
I believe it was already made clear to us that DmC Dante has three forms. This is something I've had to mention, a million times. He is human, angel and demon.

And I also thought that it was made clear that DmC Dante did not turn demonic looking when he Devil Triggers. I believe it was stated that his white hair and redder coat is his 'demonic' form.
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How someone can be 33,3% angel, demon and human isn't logical. That is why people can't believe it.
And if "DT" which means Devil Trigger which is demon form how the hell is white hair and red jacket a demon form?

I swear to god there is so much **** going around about DmC that people start to loose track of what DMC was about.
But hey DmC is a game made by Ninja theory to attract a new fanbase with request from Capcom. And Ninja theory fans are a major part of the fan base.

**** this forum - Asmo and Gambling or what the hell his name is two of the most hypocrites ever.

I followed what you, Angel and Lord told me about being calm. But the rudeness from Asomo and Gambling in the tones of their replies is just insulting.
And when i reply back to them in same manner it all of sudden becomes a feud between me vs two ************* or me causing trouble.

I have been nice. But when these two ************ keep going for pointing out "Oh well your wrong CoolDemon your stupid" or "You can't see past the surface you don't understand it".

It's stupid as hell.

You want to me to look past the surface?

DMC Dante:
Caring, playful, is a bit angry at his father ("Father? I don't have a father) and tough. He doesn't put up a play "I am tough oh yeah" he is tough. What do you expect from a character?

That they break down and say "Oh i am a failure :( i am a failure and a human"

DmC Dante:
Tries to be cool (smoking cigarette as if he's making love) , Angry and angsty,

Now that's their "Feelings" or "inner" core from what we have observed so far.


Talk about "Well he looks more human " - then he's not what many people loved by him. He is a character - he's not supposed to look like humans.
If you want a character to be relateable (as in) a copy of yourself - go make one or go ask Ninja theory to make one.

But don't go say "Oh well this character is more human and relateable than other "
If you don't like how DMC Dante is as character in anyway - that's your problem. Don't compare him to DmC Dante. Because if i am to compare DmC Dante to DMC Dante then DmC Dante absoultely suck.



Chocolate and DeadLegend are two DmC Supporters i like alot. And it's not because they hate DmC or it's character. It's because i sense no negative tones in their posts.

Asmo and Gambligncit (final fantasy avatar guy) - are two ***********

I am sick of their ************ toned posts...
Either bann me or have a serious talk with people who can't discuss something without being immature.

You may say "Your being immature now". No, i am just expressing why i am so angry. Instead of discussing something in a friendly way Asomo and Gambling is about "DmC vs DMC".
 
Asmodaius said:
And reported again, CoolDemon...
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Well your an *****. I expect nothing less from you.
I have two times been fooled to think that you were a friendly person. But your just someone who likes DmC and show your "nice face" when i am talking nicely about DmC. But once i talk **** about DmC you show your true face.
 
Asmodaius said:
I expected more from you, actually. We have gone a few days without arguing, and then you burst out with something like this all of a sudden. I'm rather disappointed.
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I don't care about discussing anything with you. It's you who replies to me not other way around lately. And it's because of a reason - your nothing but a biased DmC supporter who wants a character to be like yourself if possible.
 
DmC Dante doesn't have to 33.3% human. Do you not think I don't know how illogical that sounds? I'm not an idiot. But DmC 'could' be 25% demon, 25% angel and 50% human.

Excuse me? Welcome to the Internet. A place full of people just itching to get their points across. Without maturity, without decency, without civility. People address things on the Internet in a way in which they wouldn't in real life. This place screams for arguments and for people to get on other people's nerves. And people can take what other people say out of context.

Wow, to outright call other people names when they have CLEARLY done nothing to you is the most disrespectful thing I've seen in a long time here. Do not think for one single second that if I wasn't talking to my friend Asmo here, that he wouldn't get 'snippy' with me at times if I said something wrong. People act that way. When did anybody call you stupid? People are JUST trying to be friendly towards you because you make it hard for them to act that way normally. And then go out of their way to try and behave themselves and put differences aside and you come along acting like you know everything about this and that and that nobody else can have any say in anything.

If you want to know who exactly is the douche-bag here, so you put it, then do yourself a good favor and look in the mirror. People say things at times that get us heated. The MATURE thing to do is to have a sense of dignity and think, "Ya know what, I'll rise above it. It doesn't matter if he or she says this". But you decide to instead call people out like this and name call. There's an ignore function on here, maybe you missed seeing this? Please, if you find a problem with ANYONE, then use the feature as it's meant to be used.

But DO NOT go off-topic in a thread just designed to discuss something, and certainly don't do it in that manner where you're going out of your way to pick on people. You've annoyed me greatly, because this is my thread and I just want to have a nice no nonsense discussion about a particular subject. I'm sick of threads getting heated over people who can't get along, and many times in the past I've had threads of mine getting closed because of behavior like this.

If you can't get along with someone, IGNORE them. And if that doesn't work, don't allow yourself the pleasure to reply to them or else you'll just end up making it ten times worse on yourself.
 
CoolDemon said:
I don't care about discussing anything with you. It's you who replies to me not other way around lately. And it's because of a reason - your nothing but a biased DmC supporter who wants a character to be like yourself if possible.
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I'll just let the mods handle you from now on... Not going to get into a childish arguement with you again.
 
Asmodaius said:
I don't think people on here understands the word "relatable"...
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Anecdotal fallacy backed by your double-standards,

Also, the fact that DmC Dante
has dark hair instead of white
hair and dresses in more
"normal" clothes makes him
look more human.
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Well, it seems like, as you said,
taking such trivial things such
as eating pizza and reading
magazines are thing what
people here find are what
makes DMC Dante relatable. I can understand what they
mean by it, but that's not
showing Dante's personality.
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@LoD
So, according to you, 'cause DmC Dante is weak and his emotions are expressed or in other words, he looks more human he's relatable right?
 
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