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What makes Ninja Theory's Dante relate-able?

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As the title says, what do you think makes Ninja Theory's Dante relate-able? Below is simply my opinion alone.

For me, I can understand why people deem DmC Dante as more relate-able. The character is portrayed in more realistic terms. You could argue that there's hardly much realism within a world that shows us demonic creatures, and a half 'this and that' character. But in DmC, they show Dante's human side more so we can relate to what he is going through. It hits you harder actually seeing it, than to just be told it (All Capcom have done is hint on their Dante's past). Whereas we can relate to Ninja Theory's Dante because we actually get to visualize what is happening to him as he's going through his troubles and emotional turmoil. It creates more of an outstanding impact, more profound and realistic than just "This happened to Dante".

With Capcom's Dante, you're wondering whether you should feel bad about his past, or laugh every time he says a corny line. With this confusion, you don't feel as emotionally involved with the character. There's no real relate-able connection with the player and the character. And therefore, I find the only true thing established between the player and Devil May Cry Dante is simply that he tries to look stylish and act cool. "I like Dante because he is cool" is hardly an in depth character analysis. You have much more to say about Ninja Theory's Dante, and the game hasn't even been released yet. That is why to me at least, it seems more evident that Ninja Theory are trying to create a Dante that people can understand better. So people can feel more of a connection with him as they progress through the game.

Considering Capcom's Dante. I personally think for me, making Devil May Cry cool and stylish was the key thing. Capcom created this cool character (Dante) and from there on out, it was about keeping the characters cool. It was about making them to look stylish. And it was about making you feel as equally cool and stylish when you were playing the games. In each one, they altered Dante in some way. To begin with, it was the first Devil May Cry game (Obviously). Dante was mature, he was fun, he was cool and stylish and he was fresh. Which made him new and interesting. Devil May Cry 2 Dante wasn't to everyone's taste, but they had made Dante more serious in that game. Many people didn't understand the sudden change of his characteristics. However, in the third game, we see a much less serious Dante. The only problem with this is that they didn't properly balance out all of the things that made Dante cool in the first game. In the second, they overdid his serious side. And in the third, they overdid his non serious side. This however would be logical to the way in which they shaped the story. For instance, Dante in Devil May Cry is mature yet fun. And Dante in Devil May Cry 3 is cocky, because he's still young. And Dante in Devil May Cry 2 is more serious because he has matured and has gone through all of the previous events that had happened in the games before. So it does seem logical. However, some who are unaware of why the story goes DMC 3, DMC 1, DMC4 and then DMC 2, may not get why Dante is displayed how he is in each installment. To me, Devil May Cry 4 Dante was similar to Devil May Cry Dante. And Devil May Cry 3's Dante is the exact opposite to Devil May Cry 2's Dante. It's easy to see why these particular points can make people less able to understand Capcom's Dante. Because of the somewhat confusing order of the game's storyline, accompanied by a change of Dante's personality in almost every game.

Being able to see what happens to make DmC Dante how he is, will make people understand him and the story a lot better. Then there won't be any confusion about his behavior and the way in which he is. Therefore in my opinion, it makes DmC Dante more relate-able.
 
Good thread, LoD! ^^

Well, as I have written in many posts in several threads, then I see DmC Dante alot more relatable, because he appears human. In the first trailer, he is weak and vulnerable, something we have never seen DMC Dante as. In the original series, Dante was an almost immortal warrior detached from human emotions, except for those very few moments where he actually showed his humanity.

Also, the fact that DmC Dante has dark hair instead of white hair and dresses in more "normal" clothes makes him look more human. DMC Dante looks more supernatural and comic-book character-like because of his white hair and style.
 
DMC 2, 3 and 4 Hideki was not involved.
Hideki is the creator right? Then his plans and idea for DMC story was not put into plan. We never know how Dante would have been if Hideki was still involved.
Point being: The original creator might had better ideas for Dante's character.

Second: Hideki Kamiya pioneered the gameplay for DMC. It's gameplay is unique. While making a great gameplay game Hideki and his team managed to squeeze in alright story.
Ninja theory aren't alone when it comes to working on the gameplay. They are getting help from Capcom.
Which means most of their job involves telling story, concept art, music, etc.

Now if you left everything to Ninja theory - every aspect of the game and Capcom only giving advice on how to do things : then what would happen?
They would most likely do bad or the quality of story may be affected because they have to work on Gameplay as well.

ON to Main topic
Of course DmC Dante is relateable. You Lord told me "The name Dante is rare" and i replied that if rarity matters for a character then finding someone looking like DmC Dante is very easy in UK. Because he's a character that appeals first and foremost to new fans.

But finding someone like Dante in real world is very rare.

We all can conclude that DMC story went off track after DMC 1. So with that said instead of just bragging about Ninja theory and their story skills (when story is their mainly job) one should also ask "What was the rest of the story plans that Hideki Kamiya had for DMC?".
Because obviously Hideki had plans - that is why Bayonetta was made and had DMC "stuff" in it.
 
I honestly don't care what Hideki would have done with the series. He hasn't been on it since the first game and now he is on Bayonetta instead. I would rather see a sequal to Bayonetta than him starting to make a DMC overhaul. He's just one man, EVERYTHING about DMC1 is NOT just because of him! He was just ONE guy part of a bigger team who made it happen.

Hideki Kamiya is not all that. He's just one guy who had an idea. It was a good idea, indeed, but time has changed and it is time to move on. Hideki has moved on, so should his fans. No reason to live in the past.
 
^ Agreed. The main point of this thread is not to discuss the "What ifs?". It's to discuss what you think makes DmC Dante relate-able.
 
I guess i went on talking about something i shouldn't have. Sorry Lord.

Not a problem, we all do it mate =) Besides, it's a point that can make you really think.

I don't find a stupid kid I know nothing about relatable. Sorry. :p

Lol. Well we sort of know a 'little' bit about DmC Dante at the moment. But each to their own opinion :)
 
Lol. Well we sort of know a 'little' bit about DmC Dante at the moment. But each to their own opinion :)
Yeah and what I know about him doesn't make him relatable. :P
 
Yeah and what I know about him doesn't make him relatable. :p

Do you find DMC Dante relate-able? And could you perhaps give a few reasons as to why you don't find DmC Dante relate-able? =/
 
If you know nothing about him, how do you know he's stupid then? Just asking...
The "stupid" was tongue in cheek.

Do you find DMC Dante relate-able? And could you perhaps give a few reasons as to why you don't find DmC Dante relate-able? =/
DMC Dante? No I don't. I do like him though. He's campy, arrogant, but still fun. I like how he does have a more caring side that comes out at times, namely in DMC when he cries for Trish and in DMC3 with Lady.

Annnnd DmC Dante I don't know enough about. He's a demon/angel thing that hates the world and has no prospects according to NT. I don't find that relatable.
 
To be absolutely fair, DMC-Dante is more relatable than you guys make him out to be. In the human world, he is just some guy, with no money, and not even a real job, who just sits on his desk most of the day, reading magazines and what not. If demons were extinct at some point, I can see Dante's life becoming even more boring and miserable, as Demon Slaying is about the only thing that's makes his life interesting and worthwhile.

"This is what I live for!" - his own words at the end of Devil May Cry 3.

He acts cocky and arrogant and all that, but (to me at least) all that seems to be some kind of defense, as to not show that he really cares/tries/isn't afraid. In the first battle against Vergil in DMC3, he went by that attitude again, in which Vergil humored him as well - none of the other enemies do so - by saying "My apologies brother, I was so eager to see you etc.". Because of which Dante didn't seem as cool anymore. Rather like a kid, looking for attention. And when he went serious - last battle - he wasn't taunting and acting cocky and all that. Rather he tried to talk (his kind of) sense to Vergil. And after failing at that, he was sad enough to cry - pretty human if you ask me. He might be (nearly?) immortal and all that, but when the situation gets serious, he's just some guy. He does have some ultimate powers and all that, but there were cases where even he needed help (beating Arkham), even he couldn't do stuff because he was part human (killing Trish because she was like his mother) etc. Sure he has white hair, and can run with a motorcycle on top of a tower, while using the motorcycle to kill demons as well. He is a poser. But SOME of his aspects ARE relatable. That's what I'm saying.

^All this is my personal opinion though, so if you guys don't agree that's ok:)

As for the new Dante, I'm going with Meg. I may really become his fan in the end, but right now, I only know how he looks and where he came from. ;)
 
I find nothing relatable in this hotheaded punk-ass devil hunter (is he qualified yet?) havin' 3 sides (or forms) who's just trynna save his punk butt from demons and their demonic world. And who has his veins connected to his jacket or whatever it's called as, which results in its color change in DT (or AT?). No. Nothing relatable. Atleast, not for now.

PS:- IT'S MY OPINION.
The comment on change in color of his clothing is to show my disapproval. So no comments like, "In every game, the clothings change" or something like that. Just thought to play it safe.
 
Relatable? I've heard him say like 3 things, how's that enough foundation to determine if a character if relatable? The design will ultimatly play very little to that role, it's the actions and reactions that will determine that; there are a lot of very relatable characters in gaming and very few of them wear jeans and a tshirt.
 
No offense to people who think DmC dante is more relatable than the already established DMC Dante, but, are you guys serious?

We haven't been shown much from him.

He has shown very few human habits.

The only major one I can think of is smoking.

And yet he is more relatable?

DMC Dante has been shown to

1.Cry when he loses a friend (Trish)
2.Cry when he loses a brother (Vergil)
3.Read magazines
4.Eat Pizza
5.listen to music
6.eat strawberry sundaes
and last but not least
7.even show love and remorse for his deceased mother.

ALL of these things I could totally relate to. Its FAR to early to just say this new Dante is more human and relatable than the older DMC Dante.
 
one thing i think will make dante relatable is his revenge story (i believe ninja theory/capcom has said something about revenge being involved in dante's story). im sure everyone at some point in their life has wanted to get some type of revenge on someone before.
 
The original Dante was also out for revenge. At the first DMC at least. It is revealed in the very first cut-scene (through his dialogue with Trish) that one of the reasons he opened up his shop, was so that he could "get the Jackpot" by finding the one behind the death of his mother 20 years ago.

Unless that's what you mean as well choco, though I thought you were referring to DmC Dante, that's why I clarified;)
 
The original Dante was also out for revenge. At the first DMC at least. It is revealed in the very first cut-scene (through his dialogue with Trish) that one of the reasons he opened up his shop, was so that he could "get the Jackpot" by finding the one behind the death of his mother 20 years ago.

Unless that's what you mean as well choco, though I thought you were referring to DmC Dante, that's why I clarified;)
yeah i was talking about DmC dante, but i guess you're right the same could be said for the original dante. :)
 
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