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What if Bayonetta..........................

Hassan i disagree, the enemies were pretty decent. About Bayonetta, i don't care, thats not what i was argumenting for :P

As for Dante's quote being ripped off: newsflash Kamiya came up with concept of Dante.

He can do whatever he pleases.

It's true he was hired to do a job, creating Dante, but even paid workers pour their heart into their creations.
I know that -_-
I just wanted to say it was unnecessary and inappropriate.
 
Gameplay wise, Bayonetta is ok. I had some fun with the combat but the game overall isn't that great.

People want to always compare it to Devil May Cry but I don't like to. Bayonetta doesn't portray the same kind of charm Dante gave off when I first saw him. Bayonetta is Kamiya's wet dream in video game form and it's just so ridiculous with the hyper sexualization that is just comes off as stupid and nothing more.

I mean sure Bayonetta's antics are interesting and entertaining, if you're prepubescent.
 
This is just an idea so please, I don't want hate mail or any wars going on.............if you dont like it just say I don't like it.

With that said...................what if Bayonetta got a reboot via being DmC Dante and Kat's child. Fighting Angels and Demons alike to save as many people as she can as well as frequently combating Vergil's child (her cousin.) from taking over(possibly Jeanne.-I think I spelled that right.).

A little slim on details right now, but i have been playing DmC and Bayonetta and love them both so much.

Bayonetta's combat is great, but man is that story weak.

Thoughts, ideas?


I think what you are advocating would work better if they tried to create a character that is a shoutout to Bayonnetta rather than Bayonetta herself because Capcom doesn't own the rights to Bayonetta so they can't use her without Platinum Games's input or permission.
 
bayonetta's combat is pretty good, and did a lot of things right, but it also has some flaws. For one thing, a lot of the weapons have too-similar combos, and don't really become different unless you're shooting out of your combos. Most combo setup is also entirely reliant on witch time at higher levels since enemies are so aggressive and break out of combos so quickly it's the only way to really get a good chain going.

Character is also cheesy as ****. Bayonetta is obviously supposed to be a parody, but they lay it on so thick and the joke carries on for way too long in every scene. That said, I don't think there's anything ninja theory's writers could offer as an improvement to story or characters; their own story for DmC was copy pasted out of an 80s movie, and their character development essentially involved hand picking from a list of tropes in order to maximize appeal to 2012's angsty teens. For example, DmC makes liberal use of tropes such as anti-hero, the alcoholic, taunting c'thulu, constant swearing, hedonism, racism, and going commando, but chooses to ditch series-standard tropes such as cry for the devil (one which you'd think would be important, since the title is based around it). This does not inspire a whole lot of faith in their ability to rewrite bayonetta. Luckily they never will, since platinum refuses to deal with publishers that try to claim rights to their IP, meaning it will only ever be a platinum game unless they collaborate willingly with someone else

Aside from bayonetta's reliance on witch time to get combos going, and (frankly obnoxious) inclusion of quick time events, there's a ton of combat mechanics that I really enjoy in this game. Dialing-a-combo annoyed me at first, until I discovered dodge offsetting, and the fact that you don't have to be on the ground to advance your combo. Binding weapons to the hands and feet in whichever combination you like, in addition to a long list of trinkets with very significant combat effects, makes for a crazy amount of combat variety. DmC could learn a thing or two from bayonetta's whip alone, since it has twice the utility, uses half of the buttons that ophion takes up, and serves as a completely functional stand-alone weapon on top of everything else.

The resource bar (Devil gauge equivalent) is incredibly handy and has a ton of different uses, but the game discourages you from hoarding your energy by taking away chunks of it if you get hit, air combat is satisfying because they don't make it easy to stay in the air indefinitely, and bosses feel truly epic in scale (though sometimes it can be a little too epic...) They also managed to find a way to make a game where the primary defensive mechanic is dodging, but still include DMC's royalguard in a meaningful (yet non-mandatory) way.

TL;DR
Ninja theory is bad at original stories, their first (and only) in-house attempt being a copy/paste of existing work, and their characters are developed with the goal of marketing to the widest audience, instead of making good characters. Bayonetta's character and story does need some work, but how about we give that task to someone who's actually written good characters and story before?
 
For one thing, a lot of the weapons have too-similar combos, and don't really become different unless you're shooting out of your combos.
Bayonetta is obviously supposed to be a parody, but they lay it on so thick and the joke carries on for way too long in every scene.
Thank God. Someone who doesn't worship the ground Kamiya walks on. It's a good thing that you're able to see flaws in something you like.

I for one would like Ninja Gaiden 2's weapons set up with a DMC3 control scheme. That could possibly create the best action game ever.
 
Thank God. Someone who doesn't worship the ground Kamiya walks on. It's a good thing that you're able to see flaws in something you like.

I for one would like Ninja Gaiden 2's weapons set up with a DMC3 control scheme. That could possibly create the best action game ever.
What, you didn't already know that? :p
as a reminder I do like DmC, but I just find myself constantly in threads where everyone only wants to talk about the parts I don't like :(
 
What, you didn't already know that? :P
as a reminder I do like DmC, but I just find myself constantly in threads where everyone only wants to talk about the parts I don't like :(
Heh. I personally don't care about DmC... in fact, I'm almost tempted to say that I dislike it completely. However, like I said before, it's the way that some people present their opinions that I have a problem with. I'm not really into either series, just the gameplay mechanics in DMC3. Other than that, I don't really care.
 
Well if such a crossover/combination were to happen (never will.) Bayonetta wouldn't be the sex symbol she is in the others. I was thinking a younger version of her that is good with guns and has amazing magic. much younger than her previous self and alot deeper and slightly more serious as well. That would be my REBOOT for her.

But I must appologize to everyone for this thread.......................please don't vote me off the island.

Sorry.................................................................................
 
Well if such a crossover/combination were to happen (never will.) Bayonetta wouldn't be the sex symbol she is in the others. I was thinking a younger version of her that is good with guns and has amazing magic. much younger than her previous self and alot deeper and slightly more serious as well. That would be my REBOOT for her.

But I must appologize to everyone for this thread.......................please don't vote me off the island.

Sorry.................................................................................
isnt bayo already good with guns and magic...
 
I think what you are advocating would work better if they tried to create a character that is a shoutout to Bayonnetta rather than Bayonetta herself because Capcom doesn't own the rights to Bayonetta so they can't use her without Platinum Games's input or permission.


I could get on board with that...............good idea.
 
yeah but i was just giving a description of her.........sorry for being redundant.
r3booting is redunant. if i had power id torture people by rebooting a character to their taste, and in sequal ill reboot it again.

then ill laugh and say "u like reboots dont u?".

dont stress though the darkness in me wont hurt u, it just cant stand reboots.
 
r3booting is redunant. if i had power id torture people by rebooting a character to their taste, and in sequal ill reboot it again.

then ill laugh and say "u like reboots dont u?".

dont stress though the darkness in me wont hurt u, it just cant stand reboots.

Like I said I wasn't aiming to offend. Just had an Idea an threw it out there. Sorry for your distaste in reboots, I personally love DmC as well as Castlevanis LoS. Which apparently makes me a weird gamer according to some. But I cant help what I like.
 
r3booting is redunant. if i had power id torture people by rebooting a character to their taste, and in sequal ill reboot it again.
Angel, why can't you yell at this person as well? It's statements like these that make me shake my head in pity at whoever wrote them.
He can do whatever he pleases.
Kamiya cannot do "whatever he pleases" because the DMC IP isn't his, no matter how much you want it to be. Let it go.
 
I don't care if you try to say Bayonetta is suppose to be ironic or a parody. She's still just a stupid wh0re and the amount of sexulization put in to her is nothing short of shameless.

Someone out there is probably jerking it to her as we speak.

There's a line between parody and just plain old stupidity. Bayonetta falls in to the latter. To me, parodies are things that make fun of something but also share just as much love for the thing they are making fun of. Bayonetta is not something on paper I'd say is really entertaining.

For one, I don't find Bayonetta even attractive and she's suppose to be an attractive character. Also, when it comes to the female characters I find appealing in fiction it's not just the appearance I focus on. To me there has to be qualities whether it be in personality or etc. that I also find appealing when thinking about this stuff.

Basically, I have to like them.

I wouldn't want to even be in the same room with a person like Bayonetta. She's not appealing. She's just stupid. Kamiya just created his wet dream and again Bayonetta is just plain stupid. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Unknown is right, i shudnt have said whAt i said. it was uncalled for. So my sincere aplogies Reaper.

and i dont dislike all reboots, there are exceptions that i can respect.
 
I'd be open to a reboot. Bayonetta was a mess, and not in a good way. Gameplay was meh, but the characters were atrocious.

However I'm not too faithful in NT's writing, however they'd probably do a better job then Kamiya's so called "greatness in video gaming".
 
I don't care if you try to say Bayonetta is suppose to be ironic or a parody. She's still just a stupid wh0re and the amount of sexulization put in to her is nothing short of shameless.

Someone out there is probably jerking it to her as we speak.

There's a line between parody and just plain old stupidity. Bayonetta falls in to the latter. To me, parodies are things that make fun of something but also share just as much love for the thing they are making fun of. Bayonetta is not something on paper I'd say is really entertaining.

For one, I don't find Bayonetta even attractive and she's suppose to be an attractive character. Also, when it comes to the female characters I find appealing in fiction it's not just the appearance I focus on. To me there has to be qualities whether it be in personality or etc. that I also find appealing when thinking about this stuff.

Basically, I have to like them.

I wouldn't want to even be in the same room with a person like Bayonetta. She's not appealing. She's just stupid. Kamiya just created his wet dream and again Bayonetta is just plain stupid. Nothing more, nothing less.
TL;DR
when satire is executed poorly, we already covered this. However, your assertions are all based on "what people are probably doing" or "how she was probably designed" which doesn't help your case. You're correct, but for all the wrong reasons.
 
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