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Very well, written good sir. Like me, the opinions of others do not really matter as it may hold you back towards your decisions, but you have to understand where those people, especially those with legit and valid reasons (asides from Dante's new look and "slow" gameplay) not getting this, are coming from. Still, we have to make our own opinion on the matter...

I take my hat (well my bandana; I wear those.) off to you! I feel you, bro!
 
In regards to the first post in this thread, you sum up my overall feeling about this game. It does interesting things other DMCs haven't, and in its own character it's a great game. Each game in this franchise has its own value to add, and the fact that DmC has done such a good job will breathe some life and interest into this genre. We desperately need more crafted games like this.
 
8BitHero said:
It is different. We don't have styles but it's still a solid entry with it's combat. A lot of fun to be had.
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The stances are almost like that; its something I'd like to see them expanded upon if there's ever a sequel, unique abilities in demon, angel, and neutral stances (because at this point there's no reason to do a regular evade or jump other than being too lazy to press an L or R button.)
 
I like your analogy using james bond compared to this newly designed DmC. It makes sense, back then james bond was portrayed as being suave and pretty much showered with insane gadgets by Q to go on with his missions. Now seeing daniel craig as the new bond, he is a bit more darker serious and having no kind of emotion at all, and now ppl think he is the best bond so far. This new Dante is by far my favourite.
 
Second play through, son of Sparda, and let me tell you, the color enemy thing makes it definitely difficult on par with the other games. Having a blast, loving the game, personally I think it ranks with 3 but that's just me. The story kicks ass and the last boss fight is one to remember.
 
Runawayshrew32 said:
Second play through, son of Sparda, and let me tell you, the color enemy thing makes it definitely difficult on par with the other games. Having a blast, loving the game, personally I think it ranks with 3 but that's just me. The story kicks ass and the last boss fight is one to remember.
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I just beat it on Heaven or Hell...it was great to give the girls their time to shine. And honestly, I hated the Mundus fight. :l not a fan of big ole' giants, in my opinion.
 
Runawayshrew32 said:
Second play through, son of Sparda, and let me tell you, the color enemy thing makes it definitely difficult on par with the other games. Having a blast, loving the game, personally I think it ranks with 3 but that's just me. The story kicks ass and the last boss fight is one to remember.
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^ yep i agree, nothing could top DMC3 for me till i played this game. DMC3 was fun, but it became more fun if you knew how to work the in game mechanics (jump/weapon cancelling, invul frames, buffering etc... ) There is sumthing about DmC that touches on DMC3 but i find that DmC is a bit better in terms of combat.
 
I'm still figuring out the advanced mechanics, but its a blast. I'm glad I didn't listen to the naysayers, its a worthy addition to the other four on my shelf :)
 
Agreed. I'm still figuring a fast way to kill them...or trying to rather lol. I'm jumping back on momentarily, after the gf makes the bed haha. Did psn drop the costumes or palace dlc yet?
 
eraldcoil said:
I like your analogy using james bond compared to this newly designed DmC. It makes sense, back then james bond was portrayed as being suave and pretty much showered with insane gadgets by Q to go on with his missions. Now seeing daniel craig as the new bond, he is a bit more darker serious and having no kind of emotion at all, and now ppl think he is the best bond so far. This new Dante is by far my favourite.
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For the James Bond thing? Well, it's because the directors wanted to base the movies on Ian Fleming's James Bond novels starting with Casino Royale.

I too got a liking for New Dante, just as much as I love the classic/original Dante! They both got their own strengths and weaknesses, anyway! Why can't we all have a sacred sanctuary where we can appreciate the different Dante incarnations where we can respect each others' opinions regarding each of them? Example: The worst Dante incarnation in my humble opinion is DMC2 Dante, but I know some of you can think otherwise if you have a liking for this Dante.
 
I still prefer DMC1 Dante by far. I just loved the seriousness and sense of humour him. He wasn't too serious like DMC2, and he wasn't too over the top like DMC3/4. He mocked demons before beating them, but he wouldn't waste any time either.

As far as comparing DMC3 Dante, I would pick DmC over it any time. DmC Dante is the closest version of Dante compared to DMC1's. He mocks demons, but wastes no time in defeating them (such as the night club level). I think Ninja Theory would have the best shot at making a DMC1 Dante... I have a feeling that's just wishful thinking though.

As far as the game goes... I liked it. After spending 60 hours in it, I can safely say that it's my second most favorite DMC game (DMC1 being the first).... but, I felt like the story just wasn't as amazing as DMC1's story.... which is really odd to say, I know... but DmC's story kind of felt rushed. My wording here isn't correct, but when I mean by this is that it went by too quickly. There wasn't enough time for me to understand Dante, and to understand his sudden change in motives. The ending left me hanging, and it made me further question the characters.
Playing DMC1's story again, it feels stronger than DmC's. Dante went to fight Mundus because Trish looked like his mother... but there was more to that. Dante didn't really change throughout DMC1, but we see him change Trish as he not only saves her life... but also gives her his amulet and his fathers sword. This one moment meant so much since Trish was pretty much meaningless, just a creation of Mundus... but Dante gave her meaning, and as a conclusion I feel like you can't get much better than that. Especially since "I should have been the one to fill your dark soul with light" is by far my favorite moment from any video game and movie alike. It was a perfect way to wind down a story.

There's also the fact that Ninja Theory kept comparing DmC's story to literature and film... so this made me have high expectations, and I was really let down. It's good, for sure... but if it were a movie it would just be a rental. You know, there are a lot of factors as to why I think this... you could argue that Dante in DmC is better since he's more life-like, and has more emotion... and this is the same for Vergil and Kat, and the other characters.... and for the most part, my problems are very tiny, such as my dislike for the character design. However, the biggest factor that makes me prefer DMC1's story over DmC is its ending. The ending makes or breaks most movies for me... like a string, if the end isn't tied up, it'll just unravel. Spiderman 3 was really good, up until the end. It went from "I'm totally going to buy this on DVD" to "I'm probably never watching this again" in just two minutes. DmC isn't really that simple, since I expected more connections and more build up between Dante, Vergil, and Kat... but the ending kind of sealed the deal. I did like the story, but I just can't bare to watch it again.... but to be fair, I don't think Ninja Theory could ever please me as far as the story goes... I don't think anyone could, not even the creator of DMC1 himself.
All in all, I loved the gameplay, wasn't fond of the story...
 
DarkSlayer54 said:
I still prefer DMC1 Dante by far. I just loved the seriousness and sense of humour him. He wasn't too serious like DMC2, and he wasn't too over the top like DMC3/4. He mocked demons before beating them, but he wouldn't waste any time either.

As far as comparing DMC3 Dante, I would pick DmC over it any time. DmC Dante is the closest version of Dante compared to DMC1's. He mocks demons, but wastes no time in defeating them (such as the night club level). I think Ninja Theory would have the best shot at making a DMC1 Dante... I have a feeling that's just wishful thinking though.

As far as the game goes... I liked it. After spending 60 hours in it, I can safely say that it's my second most favorite DMC game (DMC1 being the first).... but, I felt like the story just wasn't as amazing as DMC1's story.... which is really odd to say, I know... but DmC's story kind of felt rushed. My wording here isn't correct, but when I mean by this is that it went by too quickly. There wasn't enough time for me to understand Dante, and to understand his sudden change in motives. The ending left me hanging, and it made me further question the characters.
Playing DMC1's story again, it feels stronger than DmC's. Dante went to fight Mundus because Trish looked like his mother... but there was more to that. Dante didn't really change throughout DMC1, but we see him change Trish as he not only saves her life... but also gives her his amulet and his fathers sword. This one moment meant so much since Trish was pretty much meaningless, just a creation of Mundus... but Dante gave her meaning, and as a conclusion I feel like you can't get much better than that. Especially since "I should have been the one to fill your dark soul with light" is by far my favorite moment from any video game and movie alike. It was a perfect way to wind down a story.

There's also the fact that Ninja Theory kept comparing DmC's story to literature and film... so this made me have high expectations, and I was really let down. It's good, for sure... but if it were a movie it would just be a rental. You know, there are a lot of factors as to why I think this... you could argue that Dante in DmC is better since he's more life-like, and has more emotion... and this is the same for Vergil and Kat, and the other characters.... and for the most part, my problems are very tiny, such as my dislike for the character design. However, the biggest factor that makes me prefer DMC1's story over DmC is its ending. The ending makes or breaks most movies for me... like a string, if the end isn't tied up, it'll just unravel. Spiderman 3 was really good, up until the end. It went from "I'm totally going to buy this on DVD" to "I'm probably never watching this again" in just two minutes. DmC isn't really that simple, since I expected more connections and more build up between Dante, Vergil, and Kat... but the ending kind of sealed the deal. I did like the story, but I just can't bare to watch it again.... but to be fair, I don't think Ninja Theory could ever please me as far as the story goes... I don't think anyone could, not even the creator of DMC1 himself.
All in all, I loved the gameplay, wasn't fond of the story...
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I'm gonna have to think otherwise on DmC's story, because its storytelling is just good, almost on par to DMC3's. DMC1's story was kinda choppy for me even though I have to agree with you it's good... DMC4's was mediocre and I don't wanna talk about DMC2's... Hope you respect my opinion on this since I too am a longtime DMC fan since the first game came out back in my high school days when one of my childhood friends introduced me to it.

But I do agree that the best Dante is DMC1 Dante, because he knew when to be serious and when to crack a joke. His personality is quite well-balanced, which is the best personality Dante had. DmC Dante is similarly closer to this Dante more than DMC3 Dante. But hey, that's just me...
 
MigsRZXAStylish said:
I'm gonna have to think otherwise on DmC's story, because its storytelling is just good, almost on par to DMC3's. DMC1's story was kinda choppy for me even though I have to agree with you it's good... DMC4's was mediocre and I don't wanna talk about DMC2's... Hope you respect my opinion on this since I too am a longtime DMC fan since the first game came out back in my high school days when one of my childhood friends introduced me to it.

But I do agree that the best Dante is DMC1 Dante, because he knew when to be serious and when to crack a joke. His personality is quite well-balanced, which is the best personality Dante had. DmC Dante is similarly closer to this Dante more than DMC3 Dante. But hey, that's just me...
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Of course I respect your opinion. There's no way you can be right or wrong. Especially with story telling... from my experience movies have the widest variety of opinions. I always find myself watching top rated movies and thinking "wait, this is good?". Like, Avatar... I didn't see what was so special about it. It was a decent movie, but nothing amazing.
I've been a fan of DMC since DMC3:SE came out... and without really expecting to, I ended up playing the games in chronological order.

Out of curiosity, what do you think of DmC's Vergil? Specifically during the ending?
 
I thought "Damn it, Vergil. Damn you for thinking you're superior. Damn you for betraying Dante's trust. And Damn you for making me care, making me think that in one universe. the Sons of Sparda could get along.
 
DarkSlayer54 said:
Of course I respect your opinion. There's no way you can be right or wrong. Especially with story telling... from my experience movies have the widest variety of opinions. I always find myself watching top rated movies and thinking "wait, this is good?". Like, Avatar... I didn't see what was so special about it. It was a decent movie, but nothing amazing.
I've been a fan of DMC since DMC3:SE came out... and without really expecting to, I ended up playing the games in chronological order.

Out of curiosity, what do you think of DmC's Vergil? Specifically during the ending?
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Thanks a bunch! It's because an opinion is neither right nor wrong anyway... Those who think it's either... Well, they're just thinking their opinions are the only thing that matters and that others' opinions don't. It's one of the many reasons why humanity cannot move forward. How sad...

The reason why I loved DmC's story is because the supporting cast are ACTUALLY SUPPORTING Dante, like how Kat helped him by first throwing a Molotov cocktail on the Hunter's face so that he can kick its ass and guided her throughout Virility as well as The Order HQ when it was under attack by SWAT and providing the brothers' last stand against Mundus, how Vergil provided extra firearms for Dante i.e. Revenant and Kablooey, and how Phineas carved Dante a new path through his philosophy that everything is in a matter of perspective and different perspectives can forge a new path. And I do believe in Phineas' philosophy, which I have learned recently when I played DmC since I am an open-minded person myself.

Now, back on the DMC topic about DmC Vergil:
DmC Vergil in the beginning was a supporting character. I do loved the fact he and Dante worked together to bring Mundus AKA Kyle Ryder down; I really prefer the Sons of Sparda as a team rather than fighting one another, just like how I chose both Classic Sons of Sparda i.e. Classic Dante and Vergil in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 as two-thirds of my three-man team, with the third being Dante's Marvel rival Deadpool (I love his humor and fourth-wall breaking tendencies BTW!) as well as in DMC3 when they had to cooperate to bring the corrupted Arkham down (I do loved the part when Dante and Vergil said "JACKPOT!" together; that part of DMC3 remained so memorable for me because that was the first time that one-liner was chronologically heard).
Then, the signs of his true nature came after Kat got kidnapped. First he claims that the brothers can't save Kat from Mundus; however, he reluctantly chose Dante's methods of taking Mundus' mistress Lilith hostage because she carries his heir as it could strike a blow to Mundus. He also used a sniper rifle (I know deep down he dislikes guns, but he has no choice but to use it for his plans to go in motion) to shoot Lilith by first shooting Mundus' heir and then Lilith herself which surprised Dante.
Then the plot twist came in by the 20th and final mission of DmC where Vergil finally reveals his true colors, finally breaking his "good guy" act. He thinks he and Dante should rule over humanity with respect claiming that it will be different from Mundus because he sensed humanity's flaws, especially when he wanted to protect them not only from others but from themselves as he claims. Looking back at what Phineas asked him of who would be the next ruler if Mundus is dead on his way to defeat Raptor News Network news anchor of a demon Bob Barbas, Dante grew disillusioned that he was actually fighting for his brother's freedom, not humanity's. By then, I knew deep down Vergil is really selfish using his "resources" which is humanity and his brotherly love for Dante that Dante was used, betrayed and duped.
Probably the challenging boss in DmC would have to be the final boss, Vergil, and Combichrist's track "Empty" really fits the battle well. Once I get Vergil's Downfall, I can find out how he is becoming like the Classic Vergil, getting obsessed over his brotherly love towards Dante, looking down on humanity and that he needed power to become stronger...
So in short, DmC Vergil's "heroic value" was nothing more but a mere facade... I knew this was coming because the developers at Ninja Theory needed to leave tons of room for character development. Although I do not consider NT to be a great game developer group as not every game developed, not just by them, was made to be perfect, but I'd like to say that they did a wonderful job of making Vergil the Vergil every DMC fan knew since DMC3 as well as leaving a lot of room for character development! Now whoever got Vergil's Downfall first, please tell me... I wanna know its story...

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P.S. Despite what I think, if anybody thinks NT has grown arrogant, then the only person in it who is really arrogant would have to be DmC lead game designer Tameem Antoinaides himself even though some of his points might be valid such as the "Too Japanesey" bit since I did research why throughout Google... It's just not right to generalize one group, but only certain members of the group who makes the group have a notorious reputation... And it is also not right for him to shove his own beliefs down others' throats as he cannot please every DMC fan!
Don't get me wrong here, for I am neither on NT's side here nor am I against them. Every person and thing has two opposing things (i.e. strength and weakness, pro and con) and one side cannot exist with another; that right there is called duality! Two sides of one coin! Yin and Yang!
 
scionicspectre said:
In regards to the first post in this thread, you sum up my overall feeling about this game. It does interesting things other DMCs haven't, and in its own character it's a great game. Each game in this franchise has its own value to add, and the fact that DmC has done such a good job will breathe some life and interest into this genre. We desperately need more crafted games like this.
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Though your thoughts you have posted here is over a month old, I wouldn't mind replying to this for I have agreed with you on everything you have said. You and the first poster here have given me a reason to move forward with the franchise no matter where it goes (like for some instances, I may not like it at first, but as it progresses, it may turn into something likeable; I don't want a vice-versa of it i.e. First - likeable; later - CRAP!).
As I looked back in playing all four DMC games (including 2, which I disliked the most) and DmC, I felt that each and every game have their own individual strengths and weaknesses. Therefore, each incarnation of Dante has his own pros and cons (Ex. DMC3 Dante: Pro: Fun-loving Con: Arrogant at times) which I have felt. Why do I say this? I would like to add Hideki Kamiya's Tweet series from his Twitter even though it's 3 years old, but still holds some meaning:
"Hello all foreign fans. Recently I got lots of comments like "Dante has changed", and someone said I was not too fond of newest Dante."
"But it's not true."
""Dante has changed"... that's right. But from my point of view Dante has changed every time the sequel came out,"
"and he was always different from whom I created first."
"So why don't you wait and see how their new trial will be same as usual...? (sorry about my poor English)"
On the last Tweet he had here, not all of it but most of the DMC staples remain... And I can see where those people not getting it are coming from; however, it's too bad they've missed out on DmC's redeeming qualities, like Dante's hair is permanently and naturally white and Vergil finally unmasking his "good guy" act and reveals his true colors at the end of DmC. I will have to update my DmC to the newest patch, with bug fixes and Bloody Palace mode. I'm gonna have to DL the Vergil's Downfall DLC so that I can see what happened to Vergil! Still, I need to know what happened to him, so if anyone has it and finished it, please tell me, even if you spoil me!
 
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