i watched the cutscenes, and i liked it. its pretty good, but NT could've done it better. Vergil could have regret his actions to kat in the main story. but its pretty cool. also, the gameplay looks rad, even without extra weapons.
Vergil's Downfall Story Review
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Actually according to games, DmC and DMC Vergil are different.
Vergil in DMC wanted power for a reason fans don't know. Vergil didn't side with demons, his action in games showed us that. He fought beowolf, he attacked prince of darkness in ending of DMC 3. And when he returned in DMC 1, he fought against Mundus mind controll after he saw Dante's amulet.
Fans theory (and mine) is that Vergil wanted power because of psycological trauma caused by his mother's death.
Vergil in DmC on other hand sought out power because he felt inferior to Dante. If you look at the fight Vergil and Dante had in DMC 3, Vergil didn't act bitter over losing to Dante. Infact he warned Dante to leave if he didn't want to be trapped in demon world.
If you watched Inuyasha you will see there are two brothers:
Inuyasha
Sessomaru
They are two characters that Dante and Vergil seems to be ripped off. Even the timeline of when Inuyasha manga debuted, and when DMC 1 was released fits. And the fact that the father of the two characters (inu and Sesso) gave two special swords to the brothers: Tessaiga (a broad type of sword) for Inuyasha and Tenseiga (ressurcting katana) for Sessomaru.
And even though Sesso behaved and were so like Vergil (Strong, cold, and "villain" like): he was a good person deep down in his heart. He ressurcted a girl, and later when the girl dies for a second time he goes to hell to bring her back.
My point with the talk about Sessomaru is: if you assume that Vergil would be good in the end like Sessomaru (since i believe Vergil is a Sessomaru rip off), and see how Vergil has behaved in the games (he certainly isnt "evil"):
Then perhaps his motives for seeking out power wasnt to kill humans or anything like that but to kill demons. But Vergil died, and in last battles Dante said to him "I like you, your a honorable man" not knowing it was Vergil.
Yep. To give an example of the scoring system, here are the biggest points given and taken away:
+5 for great symbolism, +5 for Vergil being a wonderfully tragic character in the beginning of Mission 1, -5 for Vergil losing sympathetic value when he encountered his mother in Mission 4.
Smallest point given? +.1 for Vergil's Hair being similar to the Original Vergil's.
Sesshoumaru's character actually a very common and popular antagonist archetype in Japanese fiction, so Verg isn't just "a ripped off Sesshoumaru", it's just that's an example most western fans are probably recognize. The thing is that unlike Sesshoumaru, there was almost no real exploration of his motivations and desires beyond "I want power". Kamiya really never seemed to develop Vergil beyond "mirror to Dante as a foil", and under Itsuno, he was very one dimensional, and Kobayashi has noted at times that he dislikes Vergil. So as the writers intended, he really is that shallow of a character.
Actually, in the original myths, Thor and Loki were both sons of Odin. Loki was the Son of Odin, either in his true form in his "Thunderer" avatar Fárbauti . He and Thor are actual Blood Brothers, but Marvel said "screw that" and took away that, his ability to help humans (being the god of fire, he was also the god of burnt offerings, often delivering human prayers to the gods) any of his redeemable qualities, and his control over fire, as well as the Surter Fang, which in the original myths was his sword given to him by Odin long after Odin sealed Surter)
I know all of that and i'm also a big norse mythology fan
. I'm obviously talking about the Marvel Thor and Loki.In the end in Vergil downfall, Vergil became corrupt instead. So he didn't care to much about his mother. Where as for Vergil in DMC he became like what he was because of his mother's death, and according to Marvel Vs Capcom3 he blamed himself for what happened.
I am from west, but...that doesn't mean i am unaware of everything.
Inuyasha manga debuted in 1996. I assume that japanese designers (Hideki Kamiya) had read Inuyasha.
Then in 2001 DMC 1 was made. And let's assume (because i dont know) that DMC 1 took 2 years to make. Then the start of the project was in 1999, 3 years after Inuyasha debut.
Human mind is like this, we sense something, and our mind records the aspects that made impression on us. What we thought was cool, sad, funny etc. Later when we are in a creative proccess if there is something in our head that we've seen that is relevant to what we want to create we may use it, subconciously or not.
So i assume that Hideki Kamiya read Inuyasha, and his idea for Dante and Vergil came from there. But that he changed it up a bit. I don't look past DMC 1 year for sources of "rip off", i look only back. The ripped off source can't be after the rip off. And i know Sessomaru character type is common, but i looked backwards and Inuyasha was what i found, and it seems to fit what Dante and Vergil was ripped off from. If you know better please enlighten me.
There is also other things to consider when you try to pinpoint if something is ripped off from something else:
1) was the project rushed? less time > more rip off believe me.
Yes, DMC 1 was revamp of what was to be sequal of RE 2.
What happened with DMC 4? They ripped off Bleach - this game was rushed as well. When you have little time your more phrone to ripping off. A rip off guy will think "**** this deadline, ima just steal ideas from this manga i read, and change it up and get finished with this project!".
And the more honesty designer will not have enough time to make a story that's not ripped off partially because it's possible to subconciously rip off things you've seen.
2) Humans don't live that long. Assume that the average age for the game designers who were involved in creation of DMC 1 was 40 years ok? Then you must look through 40 years of story telling from a relevant perspective. For example DMC 1 was serious but not serious like a chinese war story. Therefor you could try checking mangas with such tones to see if DMC 1 has ripped off anything from any manga.
3) And we can assume also that people won't easily remember things that they watched or read ( a movie or story) easily if it was very long time ago. For example you read a book you liked when you were 15. 50 years later, while your trying to make a story of your own, would you recall the story you read when you were 15 clearly? Not very likely i think.
And that is my how i conclude that it MUST BE Inuyasha that is the rip off source of Dante and Vergil. As i said the archetypes means nothing to me, because there are other things than the characters backing up the rip off. Such as the swords they received, by their father, similar to Inuyasha and Sesso father.