They only made Dante half angel
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Paexie
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majeh116
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I'm not sure if you have ever watched a cutscene from the old DMC before but Dante was so totally invincible even with his half human heritage (I can't remember one occasion where I went something is gonna hurt him he took a bullet to the forehead and didn't give a ****) so your kinda invalidating your own argument if he needs to be vulnerable to be relatable :/
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
Old Dante is anything but vulnerable. He was the generic anime lead who won everything. He wasn't in any real danger and nothing affected him. In fact, I always found it stupid that in DMC3 nothing affects him including demon weapons, but when Vergil stabs him in the stomach, it's the most painful thing ever. Seriously? You took scythes in the stomach, got shot in the head, and a sword from your brother hurts you?
And before anyone says "It was Sparda's sword though," Rebellion was also Sparda's sword, so that should have hurt him everytime he got stabbed by it.
Back to topic: Angel weapons weren't added for the purpose of angel weapon using, because they could have just made those angel weapons demon weapons. It's like "They made Dante human just so he could be relatable" or "They made Dante demon because of the title."
Dante's an half demon and angel because he is suppose to be a comeplete outcast to the world and absolutely can not be accepted anywhere. Not human world, not angel world, and not demonworld. He must rebel against everywhere in order to live.
And before anyone says "It was Sparda's sword though," Rebellion was also Sparda's sword, so that should have hurt him everytime he got stabbed by it.
Back to topic: Angel weapons weren't added for the purpose of angel weapon using, because they could have just made those angel weapons demon weapons. It's like "They made Dante human just so he could be relatable" or "They made Dante demon because of the title."
Dante's an half demon and angel because he is suppose to be a comeplete outcast to the world and absolutely can not be accepted anywhere. Not human world, not angel world, and not demonworld. He must rebel against everywhere in order to live.
TWOxACROSS
Hot-blooded God of Guns
So much silliness in this thread.
Being human (of half that) does not instantly make a character relatable. As Paexie put it so sexy-like, it's the character's actions, motivations, flaws, and emotions that make them relatable. The classic Dante was never a very relatable character, because his situations were always larger than life. That's really great for an action game, but worthless when trying to prove something like this. The classic Dante barely ever showed emotion, except for some select moments throughout the entire series, but they were just so...generic. Cry over Trish, cry over his brother, empathize with Nero. The only time there was a semblance of deep emotion were a few moments that had to do with his family, but they're few and far between. DmC's version of Dante, while not being human at all, shows leaps and bounds of humanity over the classic.
People often bitched about by Dante being an angel, he no longer has any sort of humanity to empathize with, and all I have to say to them is they must not read a lot...or pay attention at all, considering Sparda himself - a full on demon - empathized with humanity, setting the entire timeline of Devil May Cry into motion. Cherry-picking is fun!
Also - this talk of angels and demons and dying is so dumb, because I don't know how it's possible to completely ignore all the demons (and angels) consistently getting killed in DmC. More often than not "immortal" is used in a much more narrative-friendly capacity of being ageless and immune to disease, but can otherwise be killed by normal means.
Cerberus calling Dante "mortal" is also just some classic demon archaic shtick. And he does look human, so...a dog locked up in a tower for 2000 years would be a little old-fashioned.
Dante being in peril? Never. The novel comes close, but you totally have to realize that it was done specifically to build suspense because there wasn't much else a novel could do. And like DragonMaster said, it's quite inconsistent. He gets impaled annually, but he only seems to have trouble or feel threatened when it's convenient to that point in the plot. The only time Dante is ever truly in peril is in the hands of a nublet during gameplay, when a Game Over is imminent. DmC's Dante on the other hand, shows a lot more worry for his own well-being throughout his game, he takes a chainsaw to the chest like a champ, but damn does he wail in pain like it actually hurts a little.
Being human (of half that) does not instantly make a character relatable. As Paexie put it so sexy-like, it's the character's actions, motivations, flaws, and emotions that make them relatable. The classic Dante was never a very relatable character, because his situations were always larger than life. That's really great for an action game, but worthless when trying to prove something like this. The classic Dante barely ever showed emotion, except for some select moments throughout the entire series, but they were just so...generic. Cry over Trish, cry over his brother, empathize with Nero. The only time there was a semblance of deep emotion were a few moments that had to do with his family, but they're few and far between. DmC's version of Dante, while not being human at all, shows leaps and bounds of humanity over the classic.
People often bitched about by Dante being an angel, he no longer has any sort of humanity to empathize with, and all I have to say to them is they must not read a lot...or pay attention at all, considering Sparda himself - a full on demon - empathized with humanity, setting the entire timeline of Devil May Cry into motion. Cherry-picking is fun!
Also - this talk of angels and demons and dying is so dumb, because I don't know how it's possible to completely ignore all the demons (and angels) consistently getting killed in DmC. More often than not "immortal" is used in a much more narrative-friendly capacity of being ageless and immune to disease, but can otherwise be killed by normal means.
Cerberus calling Dante "mortal" is also just some classic demon archaic shtick. And he does look human, so...a dog locked up in a tower for 2000 years would be a little old-fashioned.
Dante being in peril? Never. The novel comes close, but you totally have to realize that it was done specifically to build suspense because there wasn't much else a novel could do. And like DragonMaster said, it's quite inconsistent. He gets impaled annually, but he only seems to have trouble or feel threatened when it's convenient to that point in the plot. The only time Dante is ever truly in peril is in the hands of a nublet during gameplay, when a Game Over is imminent. DmC's Dante on the other hand, shows a lot more worry for his own well-being throughout his game, he takes a chainsaw to the chest like a champ, but damn does he wail in pain like it actually hurts a little.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
Again, that's in characterization, and japanese heroic figures tend to be very detached from their emotions, it's what they consider "more admirable"; to seperate yourself from your emotions and "transend" above your humanity.
I think my biggest issue isn't in the portrayal, so much as, teh idea of an angel/demon hybrid in CONCEPT just does not work. I know what they're going for, but I see it as just adding another layer of "SPECIAL" to make the AU Dante more "special and unique".
I think my biggest issue isn't in the portrayal, so much as, teh idea of an angel/demon hybrid in CONCEPT just does not work. I know what they're going for, but I see it as just adding another layer of "SPECIAL" to make the AU Dante more "special and unique".
TWOxACROSS
Hot-blooded God of Guns
Well, I'm sorry, but that's a very stupid thing to take issue with, because you haven't even seen it all in its complete form, as it should be looked at.
You know what else was perceived as a stupid concept? Disney characters mingling with Square characters? And look how well that ended up working out. Kingdom Hearts exploded in popularity when it released. Why? because there was much more to it than just that concept people took issue with.
Get your head out of the sand.
You're also imposing your own contrivances onto the concept to justify taking issue with it; seeing it simply as a way to make Dante "special and unique." There's any number of reasons why it was done, and I can safely bet that it wasn't something as foolish as what you feel it was.
You know what else was perceived as a stupid concept? Disney characters mingling with Square characters? And look how well that ended up working out. Kingdom Hearts exploded in popularity when it released. Why? because there was much more to it than just that concept people took issue with.
Get your head out of the sand.
You're also imposing your own contrivances onto the concept to justify taking issue with it; seeing it simply as a way to make Dante "special and unique." There's any number of reasons why it was done, and I can safely bet that it wasn't something as foolish as what you feel it was.
TyIquan_DmC
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If he's "transcended" above his humanity, how is his human heritage such a big sticking point? What made him more human than now aside from his DNA?
I honestly don't believe that about the Japanese, though. They have plenty of heroes who aren't above their humanity.
In CONCEPT, how is human/demon any more acceptable?
Seeing as demons are commonly referred to as fallen angels, I think that'd be a lot easier explained than a demon/human hook-up.
I honestly don't believe that about the Japanese, though. They have plenty of heroes who aren't above their humanity.
In CONCEPT, how is human/demon any more acceptable?
Seeing as demons are commonly referred to as fallen angels, I think that'd be a lot easier explained than a demon/human hook-up.
vergilthedemonking
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Guys, guys! You've got to be kidding me. This whole thread is just utter nonsense. This game is not even out yet people seem to know everything about it. If you don't like this game the don't buy it and play the old devil may cry. This guy is saying because of the title of the game that dante isnt supposed to be angel. I swear if i could slap you through my screen i would.. But this has really blown my mind. I think i am leaving the forum just for this. There is haters everywhere and the game is coming out in less then a month and people still talking crap. How can you even say anything about this game even though the game is not even out yet. Tired of those immature people complaining about every goddamn thing. If they dont like this game then make ur own devil may cry game.
m100t8s
Well-known Member
^You know.. There's awful DmC haters. And there's AWFUL DmC fans.
You're one of them.
You're one of them.
wallenb
Humanoid Typhoon
I think Disney movies are a good example of relating to non human beings 
vergilthedemonking
Well-known Member
I have all the DMC games and i've been playing them since it started. I've enjoyed all of them especially dmc3, so don't go saying stuff u dont know nothing about. I dont and never have hated a single dmc game ever because i like the story and gameplay of all the games. I like all the dmc games. Even 2 lol. U on the other hand are wining about the fact that he is an angel and it has nothing to do with the game. We dont know everything there is about DmC yet.. So stop the bitching and go buy this game. Then you can complain all you want, but i wont be here to read it cause i will be to busy enjoying the game.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
I'm still on a pre-order, I just have things I disagree with the narrative on with the new game, just like I have issues with the narratiev in DMC classic...like a total lack of ANY FRACKIN' explination for Nero...So I'm not whining persay on my end, just expressing an opinion.
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
Well...this is a thread so...That's kinda what you do in them...:/
GregaMan
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Hey dudes. Y'all ever read or watch "A Clockwork Orange"? The movie and original US printing of the book inexplicably left out the vital final chapter, which I'll explain. Before you mistake this for an off-topic post, I swear it's abstractly related to the thread topic.
::Edit:: If you're curious about that final chapter, here it is (http://chabrieres.pagesperso-orange.fr/texts/clockwork_orange.html)
Alex, the protagonist in the story, is a violent, vulgar, twisted and sociopathic miscreant who gets off on spreading misery to others simply because he can.
Until he's caught, that is. After that, he's subjected to an experimental new treatment wherein he's exposed, against his will, to hours and hours of video footage of violence, rape, and vulgarity. They clip his eyelids open and clamp him into a chair and just saturate his senses with awful things until he's broken, and becomes physically incapable of committing further bad deeds. Every time he has a wicked thought, he immediately falls ill and feeble. Alex is "cured," in a sense, but it's not natural. He's effectively lost free will.
If you don't mind me spoiling the end of the story, what happens (as I recall) is that Alex finds a hypnotist who is able to "cure his cure"--that is, rid him of the trauma that had prevented him from committing bad deeds. He reverts back to his wicked, delinquent self and is free to wreak havoc anew.
HOWEVER, what's actually happened is that he's simply recovered his free will. In the missing final chapter, he discovers that his desire to terrorize has waned. He's gotten older and more mature, and in the end has come to the same conclusion that had previously been forced upon him--the key difference being that this time, it was his own conscious choice. How about that.
So Dante, right? He's now half-angel, half-demon, which has various implications on the placement of this game and Dante's role in it. I think it's been established in the thread by now that a character doesn't have to be human to be sympathetic. All of the characters in the Lion King, for example, are not human. Meanwhile, as other people have mentioned, old Dante--while not without his charms
--was invulnerable as hell! If he wasn't busy shaking off headshots, he was surfing on missiles and using motorcycles as nunchucks and shooting projectiles at other projectiles to make those projectiles go faster and raalablvslfsvrefkjalekfjqaijlsdfjelmzxmn
Yeah so if you think about it, the implications of his lineage are really only whatever the creators say they are.
In DmC, though, it's not to be taken for granted that he lives amongst humans and has compassion for them despite not being one. Why would a half-angel, half-demon creature identify with humans when he could be ruling them? Could be any number of reasons, but you can bet that it's a reflection of his values and not just an arbitrary trait. It's easy--nay, assumed--that a guy will identify with humans when he is one. It's profound when someone who isn't a human--is superhuman, even--identifies with them.
What I'm saying is, yeah he's not part human anymore. But that's the whole point. It's to highlight his convictions in the face of free will and power.
Hope that makes some sense. Sorry for the length.
::Edit:: If you're curious about that final chapter, here it is (http://chabrieres.pagesperso-orange.fr/texts/clockwork_orange.html)
Alex, the protagonist in the story, is a violent, vulgar, twisted and sociopathic miscreant who gets off on spreading misery to others simply because he can.
Until he's caught, that is. After that, he's subjected to an experimental new treatment wherein he's exposed, against his will, to hours and hours of video footage of violence, rape, and vulgarity. They clip his eyelids open and clamp him into a chair and just saturate his senses with awful things until he's broken, and becomes physically incapable of committing further bad deeds. Every time he has a wicked thought, he immediately falls ill and feeble. Alex is "cured," in a sense, but it's not natural. He's effectively lost free will.
If you don't mind me spoiling the end of the story, what happens (as I recall) is that Alex finds a hypnotist who is able to "cure his cure"--that is, rid him of the trauma that had prevented him from committing bad deeds. He reverts back to his wicked, delinquent self and is free to wreak havoc anew.
HOWEVER, what's actually happened is that he's simply recovered his free will. In the missing final chapter, he discovers that his desire to terrorize has waned. He's gotten older and more mature, and in the end has come to the same conclusion that had previously been forced upon him--the key difference being that this time, it was his own conscious choice. How about that.
So Dante, right? He's now half-angel, half-demon, which has various implications on the placement of this game and Dante's role in it. I think it's been established in the thread by now that a character doesn't have to be human to be sympathetic. All of the characters in the Lion King, for example, are not human. Meanwhile, as other people have mentioned, old Dante--while not without his charms
--was invulnerable as hell! If he wasn't busy shaking off headshots, he was surfing on missiles and using motorcycles as nunchucks and shooting projectiles at other projectiles to make those projectiles go faster and raalablvslfsvrefkjalekfjqaijlsdfjelmzxmnYeah so if you think about it, the implications of his lineage are really only whatever the creators say they are.
In DmC, though, it's not to be taken for granted that he lives amongst humans and has compassion for them despite not being one. Why would a half-angel, half-demon creature identify with humans when he could be ruling them? Could be any number of reasons, but you can bet that it's a reflection of his values and not just an arbitrary trait. It's easy--nay, assumed--that a guy will identify with humans when he is one. It's profound when someone who isn't a human--is superhuman, even--identifies with them.
What I'm saying is, yeah he's not part human anymore. But that's the whole point. It's to highlight his convictions in the face of free will and power.
Hope that makes some sense. Sorry for the length.
Zilla
The inFAAMous
Trolling or ?....
MegaMad9
The Mad Man
I'm just going to go out and say this, but I think this guy is a troll and a hater.
I've been watching this guy for a while, and he just comes to this forum and says bad things about DmC.
Now, someone has to be devil's advocate
But I've been looking at this guy's other replies and posts, and I think he is a troll, but let's not act like Apes or anything, because then the troll wins
<-- Let's not turn into this, okay people
I've been watching this guy for a while, and he just comes to this forum and says bad things about DmC.
Now, someone has to be devil's advocate
But I've been looking at this guy's other replies and posts, and I think he is a troll, but let's not act like Apes or anything, because then the troll wins
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
I'm just going to go out and say this, but I think this guy is a troll and a hater.
I've been watching this guy for a while, and he just comes to this forum and says bad things about DmC.
Now, someone has to be devil's advocate
But I've been looking at this guy's other replies and posts, and I think he is a troll, but let's not act like Apes or anything, because then the troll wins
<-- Let's not turn into this, okay people
He's not really a troll. Just a nip picker on DmC just because it's not what he likes. Which isn't a bad thing, and shouldn't be considered a terrible act, but it can get annoying sometimes.
m100t8s
Well-known Member
Thanks GregaMan for your post, Never thought you would read this thread.
However I still disagree about the half angel idea, Just doesn't feel right imo.
Again, Thanks for the post.
However I still disagree about the half angel idea, Just doesn't feel right imo.
Again, Thanks for the post.
m100t8s
Well-known Member
Dude, MegaMad9. I'm not that type of gamer who keep hyping a game he likes too much. I am not a fanboy.
Never was, Never will be. And if not being a fanboy is trolling in your point of view. Then thats OK.
Say whatever you want, Have a nice day.
Never was, Never will be. And if not being a fanboy is trolling in your point of view. Then thats OK.
Say whatever you want, Have a nice day.