They only made Dante half angel

[m100t8s]

Why I think it's sad?
Because there's no point to make him look like a human since he's half demon and half angel.
And It's not awesome. In DMC3 bosses were wondering how could a human defeat them, Dante being half demon and half human was so awesome in so many ways. It was the thing that made Dante so "cool" and "badass" in my opinion. But now in DmC, Dante doesn't really look special anymore with the fact now he's half demon and half angel. Nothing will surprise me when I see him killing demons.

And they could've made Eva have a strong role in this game being human, Why did they need to make her angel in the reboot? I'm pretty sure they only made him half angel just to give him the angel weapons, Dante having angel weapons without being angel wouldn't make any sense, So they probably ended up making half angel. Stupid and sad.

"They apparently wanted to work angels into the story"
Dude, The game title is Devil May Cry. There was a reason for having "Devil" in the name.
and a reason for having "May Cry". If you didn't get my point. Why would they wanted to work angels in the story? The game wasn't suppose to do that. It was supposed to be about demons,devils etc...
And demons and angels don't cry. So why the game title is DmC: Devil May Cry? Doesn't make sense.

 

[rocketvergil]

There are times i believe that the old DMC had this kind of angel / demon reference in Vergil 's lineage.... If i remember correctly Dante always had this demonic aura inside him but Vergil when being corrupted by Mundus he transformed into Nelo Angelo....So why did Vergil transformed into a some kind of angel thing... ???? maybe in this dmc they will explain better by having Vergil have Angel Trigger...!!! .. Maybe thats the angel reference !!!

The DMC series, felt like they were making up the story as they went, they never really had any firm backstory or plans for the future.

 

[KIRA]

I dont think they are following the good vs bad when it comes to angels vs demons. Tameem said that the angels of DmC are not quite the ones we are used to. I think of them as two races just like humans who have both good and bad members

Yeahh i agree with you... not all angels are good...so... if some angels are good and some of them are bad...maybe Vergil is one of the bads one or even better, maybe he will become one of the bads one

 

[Paexie]

Novel in the fight with Gilver, when he and Vergil beat the snot out of each other in the Chamber of Ascention in Temen-ni-gru and possibly could have killed each other if Lady and Arkham had not intervened...Oh, when Mundus was about to blast him near the end of DMC1 before TRISH took the fatal hit...I can think of a number of places in DMCs narrative.

He never fears for his death (peril dude not oh almost died there).
I don't know much about the novels as they are not really that necessary for the canon games.
I mean did he feel that he was actually in peril. He never does, man. He knows he'll get through anyway, because that's who he is. Yet you place that he is mortal so sure he can die.
But so can every damn full fledged demon. My point is: the human/mortal. part doesn't matter.

 

[crush]

Being angel/demon also removes so many vulnerabilities and any real danger of anything other than the over the top infernal threats really doing much storywise. He's practically totally invulnerable when you consider the idea that he has no mortal heratige or even mortal factors in him. THAT removes any real relatable concern for his character. At least as a cambion, he HAD a mortal factor to create some dramatic possibility something could hurt him.

Unless they say that Angels are in fact just unaging mortal life forms and not divine beings that never die

Actually The angels surrounding Eva's death seems quite compassionate to the familly.
Also the Angels surrounding Dante seems to like him...There might be reasons but I think the angels are supporting Dante for now.
Maybe if the demon world is sealed in the series maybe a fallen one will try to reopen it to gain rule like the storylines in the classic series.
I think Dante will get a sort of hunting license from heaven or something. I suppose.

 

[Paexie]

Why I think it's sad?
Because there's no point to make him look like a human since he's half demon and half angel. Then why can Sparda and a handful of other demons like Mundus take human form...
And It's not awesome. In DMC3 bosses were wondering how could a human defeat them, Dante being half demon and half human was so awesome in so many ways. It was the thing that made Dante so "cool" and "badass" in my opinion. But now in DmC, Dante doesn't really look special anymore with the fact now he's half demon and half angel. Nothing will surprise me when I see him killing demons. You know, there are a ton of characters that are half demon and it's getting quite old, but this all goes to opinion.

And they could've made Eva have a strong role in this game being human, Why did they need to make her angel in the reboot? I'm pretty sure they only made him half angel just to give him the angel weapons, Dante having angel weapons without being angel wouldn't make any sense, So they probably ended up making half angel. Stupid and sad. LMAO. EVA NEVER HAD A STRONG ROLE DUDE. ARE YOU SERIOUS? She is now a WARRIOR in this game. SHE HAD A WICKED SCYTHE MAN.

"They apparently wanted to work angels into the story"
Dude, The game title is Devil May Cry. There was a reason for having "Devil" in the name.
and a reason for having "May Cry". If you didn't get my point. Why would they wanted to work angels in the story? The game wasn't suppose to do that. It was supposed to be about demons,devils etc...
And demons and angels don't cry. So why the game title is DmC: Devil May Cry? Doesn't make sense. I'm sorry you lost me completely here. PFFFT IM LAUGHING TOO HARD WOW.

I sincerely hope you where joking in the last paragraph. Because it's absolutely ridiculous.
DEVIL MAY CRY CAN'T HAVE ANGELS BECAUSE DEVIL IS IN THE TITLE ONLY. I'm about to cry.

 

[m100t8s]

DMC3 Cerberus Boss Battle

Cerberus:Leave now,mortal!The likes of you are forbidden in this land.You who are powerless are not worthy to set foot here!
Dante:Wow i never seen a talking mutt before.You know the dog show,you`d definitely take first place.
Cerberus:You, a mere human, make a mockery of me?
Dante:Easy. Fido!How about I take you out for a walk?Come on puppy, let`s go!
Cerberus:You`ll regret this, you worm!
Dante:It`s showtime!Come on!

After the battle:

Cerberus: You...are not human...are you?
Dante: Who knows? I'm not even sure myself.
Cerberus: Regardless, you have proved you strength. I acknowledge you ability. Take my soul and go forth. You have my blessing.

..

Like I said. Dante being half human IS why he was so cool and awesome.

 

[rocketvergil]

Why I think it's sad?
Because there's no point to make him look like a human since he's half demon and half angel.
And It's not awesome. In DMC3 bosses were wondering how could a human defeat them, Dante being half demon and half human was so awesome in so many ways. It was the thing that made Dante so "cool" and "badass" in my opinion. But now in DmC, Dante doesn't really look special anymore with the fact now he's half demon and half angel. Nothing will surprise me when I see him killing demons.

And they could've made Eva have a strong role in this game being human, Why did they need to make her angel in the reboot? I'm pretty sure they only made him half angel just to give him the angel weapons, Dante having angel weapons without being angel wouldn't make any sense, So they probably ended up making half angel. Stupid and sad.

"They apparently wanted to work angels into the story"
Dude, The game title is Devil May Cry. There was a reason for having "Devil" in the name.
and a reason for having "May Cry". If you didn't get my point. Why would they wanted to work angels in the story? The game wasn't suppose to do that. It was supposed to be about demons,devils etc...
And demons and angels don't cry. So why the game title is DmC: Devil May Cry? Doesn't make sense.

In a world where there are demons, there has to be angels. Devil may cry as a name signifies the role of demons over angels in the game. It is clear that Dante's demonic lineage is portrayed more significantly in the game.
Eva being a human had nothing to lose when marrying sparda, but as an angel it implifies the fact that she willingly fell from grace to be with the one she loved.
Like I said before the angel weapons are just fast weapons, Nt could have had dante used these weapons as normal weapons which were faster than the others.
The part about looking like a nephilim: It's a friggin game, some things have to be compromised to keep the game from becoming too complex. U dont expect them to release a book about the biology and reproduction of angels and demons!!In DMC dante was only superficially human, he was no different from his father, who was a full demon. The only difference was that his father was a demon witha a human form, and dante was a human with demon form. Dante was actually more pwerful than demons, so it doesn't really prove anything badass about Dante, as he had those powers from the start.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

He never fears for his death (peril dude not oh almost died there).
I don't know much about the novels as they are not really that necessary for the canon games.
I mean did he feel that he was actually in peril. He never does, man. He knows he'll get through anyway, because that's who he is. Yet you place that he is mortal so sure he can die.
But so can every damn full fledged demon. My point is: the human/mortal. part doesn't matter.

First Novel, yes he did, when Gilver shotgunned him in the arms and gut, and nearly impaled his heart if not for his amulet deflecting the hit, and in DMC1, during the scene when trish "died", he actually seems worried he might die. That was Kamiya's Dante though, not Kobayashi's, who doesn't seem to care if he lives or died. So it is a difference in characterization.

And we've seen tha thumans can kill LOW level demons, but that's been the extent we've seen in the classic series. As far as has been seen in DmC, only a Demon can kill an Angel and probable visa versa...so far as seen.

 

[rocketvergil]

DMC3 Cerberus Boss Battle

Cerberus:Leave now,mortal!The likes of you are forbidden in this land.You who are powerless are not worthy to set foot here!
Dante:Wow i never seen a talking mutt before.You know the dog show,you`d definitely take first place.
Cerberus:You, a mere human, make a mockery of me?
Dante:Easy. Fido!How about I take you out for a walk?Come on puppy, let`s go!
Cerberus:You`ll regret this, you worm!
Dante:It`s showtime!Come on!

After the battle:

Cerberus: You...are not human...are you?
Dante: Who knows? I'm not even sure myself.
Cerberus: Regardless, you have proved you strength. I acknowledge you ability. Take my soul and go forth. You have my blessing.

..

Like I said. Dante being half human IS why he was so cool and awesome.

The only thing dante proved is that he IS NOT HUMAN,

 

[Paexie]

My point is: you don't freaking need to be human to be in mortal danger or be relatable for that matter, ok? Is it really that hard to understand?

Sandman has great non human/immortal characters that fit my point perfectly. Hell. They even have human forms because they feel that human part of themselves. It's how they personify their feelings.

And I think the same goes for the nonhuman characters of this game.

 

[m100t8s]

Thats just my opinion. It's not that I'm a hater or anything.
I just don't like it. The whole angel idea.

 

[Paexie]

And that's just fine. Your reasons for it are just weak to me with all things considered.

 

[rocketvergil]

Thats just my opinion. It's not that I'm a hater or anything.
I just don't like it. The whole angel idea.

Well this is the internet, Whenever u post an opinion, u should be ready for ****ers like us who enjoying spitting on other peoples opinions. the only difference is that we at DmC forums are more civilized than others.

 

[KIRA]

Thats just my opinion. It's not that I'm a hater or anything.
I just don't like it. The whole angel idea.

And we accept it...

 

[m100t8s]

Well this is the internet, Whenever u post an opinion, u should be ready for ****ers like us who enjoying spitting on other peoples opinions. the only difference is that we at DmC forums are more civilized than others.

hahaha it's ok.

 

[TyIquan_DmC]

Why I think it's sad?
Because there's no point to make him look like a human since he's half demon and half angel.
And It's not awesome. In DMC3 bosses were wondering how could a human defeat them, Dante being half demon and half human was so awesome in so many ways. It was the thing that made Dante so "cool" and "badass" in my opinion. But now in DmC, Dante doesn't really look special anymore with the fact now he's half demon and half angel. Nothing will surprise me when I see him killing demons.

Yeah...see...the thing is...outside of his appearance...there was nothing human about Dante. He only LOOKED human. He had NO human weaknesses. Humans had NO strengths over demons. None. Not even in the idea of humanity.

See...at least with other notable human half-breeds, they actually had human elements about them.

Blade dealt with the vampires weakness of thirst for human blood which conflicted with his humanity. He had all of their strengths, and due to being human, he could stand UV rays. Take away his being human, and that completely changes him.

Another character close to Dante, Inuyasha, even had to deal with periods of time where being half human was detrimental to his well being(for his environment/lifestyle). Even moments where being half demon was a bit dangerous for his friends.

Do you see the difference? Dante NEVER has an issue where being a half breed actually matters outside of, "I'm half human." No strengths, no weaknesses come from his being human. He never even had moral battles with being a half breed. At least Vergil(seemingly) and Nero(definitely) had actual mental issues with being one or the other.

And they could've made Eva have a strong role in this game being human, Why did they need to make her angel in the reboot? I'm pretty sure they only made him half angel just to give him the angel weapons, Dante having angel weapons without being angel wouldn't make any sense, So they probably ended up making half angel. Stupid and sad.

I agree that they COULD have worked with Eva being a human. And I'm sure they toyed with the idea at first, but what did they really change about Dante's old character with making him an angel? Nothing. At least now they've properly introduced another faction into the battle, while giving Dante a bit more to think about. A bit more lore and backstory. Now Sparda didn't merely seal Mundus 2000 years ago, move to the human world, and fall in love with someone he was clearly dominant over. He fell in love with what seems to be an enemy while he was Mundus' right hand and that shaped the events we have at present with Eva being dead, Sparda being tortured, and the twins growing up apart.

None of that crap was explained before. What did Sparda do for all of those years before meeting Eva? Where'd he go when his family was attacked? Now Eva actually has significance outside of simply being human.

"They apparently wanted to work angels into the story"
Dude, The game title is Devil May Cry. There was a reason for having "Devil" in the name.
and a reason for having "May Cry". If you didn't get my point. Why would they wanted to work angels in the story? The game wasn't suppose to do that. It was supposed to be about demons,devils etc...
And demons and angels don't cry. So why the game title is DmC: Devil May Cry? Doesn't make sense.

They mentioned angels in DMC3/4. So they must exist in the previous games. But where? Hell, humans barely seemed to exist in the previous games. How does the title of this game not make sense, but it did before?

I also like how now everyone believes they could relate to Dante before. I had never heard anyone say he was easy to relate to until it was revealed that this Dante wasn't human. Now all of a sudden Dante was relatable and this one is just so far out there. When it's actually quite the opposite. Sure there were a few scenarios before where you could easily understand Dante's situation, but this Dante is pretty much a normal guy.

 

[crush]

DMC3 Cerberus Boss Battle

Cerberus:Leave now,mortal!The likes of you are forbidden in this land.You who are powerless are not worthy to set foot here!
Dante:Wow i never seen a talking mutt before.You know the dog show,you`d definitely take first place.
Cerberus:You, a mere human, make a mockery of me?
Dante:Easy. Fido!How about I take you out for a walk?Come on puppy, let`s go!
Cerberus:You`ll regret this, you worm!
Dante:It`s showtime!Come on!
After the battle:
Cerberus: You...are not human...are you?
Dante: Who knows? I'm not even sure myself.
Cerberus: Regardless, you have proved you strength. I acknowledge you ability. Take my soul and go forth. You have my blessing.

Like I said. Dante being half human IS why he was so cool and awesome.

Erm...to be honest recent fiction work makes a halfling more stronger than a pure breed being so I'm not that surprised.
It's not that impressive to me...it's overdone so much.
The reason why DMC needed a human part was to show that a demon could care for mortals.
Dante himself was a exeedingly bad douche until he met Lady and he also still doesn't care about society.
If he is let loose I bet that he will get hunted down by humans in that sort of state,
So again there is a reason why our main character is a demon. A devil that can cry.

 

[Azurel]

I hate to say this, but I'm also bothered by the angel bit as well. I'll admit that the old story had it's problems. Ok, so, it wasn't so much a story, as it was a bag of words thrown against a wall. Saying it had a "paper-thin plot" would be an insult to paper-thin plots.

So, yes, in my opinion, I think both stories have their problems.

While the mortality thing may have been adequately explained by now, it still sort of bothers me that Dante has the powers of both a demon and a human without any tradeoff. Cambions and Dhampirs (I forgot how to spell "half-vampires") have the "less-strength" effect, but made up for it with human love and affection. That, and the lack of strength forced them to use their brains or call upon others for magical help and whatnot.

So, it seems that Dante has everything at his disposal. And I guess that's what bothers me. Maybe he's less stronger than full angels and demons. Maybe he's not. I just feel like there needs to be some sort of tradeoff.

Maybe I'm bothered by the fact that humans are considered more-or-less a "non-factor" (so far). I feel that, in the original DMC, the humans were originally enslaved but still (in certain areas anyway) somehow fighting the demons when they took over. It may be the same here, so, maybe the demon/angel thing is symbolic of the way there needs to be a balance?

So, why have a human weapon to begin with? Why not just have an Angel and Demon weapon?

Is this their way of saying that humans are a fusion of Angel and Demon?

But I think they best way to do this was to have Eva be the daughter of an Angel and a human. THEN, it would have made more sense to have all three weapon types.

And, they also got the terminology wrong. Didn't Berto say that they're Cambolim, Nephilion, or something similar to that? Maybe it's because people have only heard of Nephilim. It's probably the same reason why Limbo City has that name, as opposed to something more sophisticated, like "Hamistagan".

It sounds plainer this way, but people wouldn't get the other reference. Which is a shame, because NT should have given their audience more credit when it comes to these things.

*Looks at youtube comments in every single DmC vid*

Never mind. We're idiots.

 

[TyIquan_DmC]

First Novel, yes he did, when Gilver shotgunned him in the arms and gut, and nearly impaled his heart if not for his amulet deflecting the hit, and in DMC1, during the scene when trish "died", he actually seems worried he might die. That was Kamiya's Dante though, not Kobayashi's, who doesn't seem to care if he lives or died. So it is a difference in characterization.

And we've seen tha thumans can kill LOW level demons, but that's been the extent we've seen in the classic series. As far as has been seen in DmC, only a Demon can kill an Angel and probable visa versa...so far as seen.

The thing about your examples though, is that someone of equal power are the ones to put Dante in those situations, which will likely be the case here as well. Lady was never a danger to him. None of the other demons were actually a danger to him either.

****SPOILER****

And Kat(a human) killed her foster father(a demon).