The True Battle: DMC3 Dante VS DmC Dante

[The Final Offer]

1. It didn't affect Vergil or Kat in Dante's fight against Vergil. Plus when using it on bosses their speed isn't really cut down that much and when they hit the ground they can move freely so its more effective if the enemy is in the air. Plus in a cutscene Dante was knocked down by Mundus who he used the DT on and it cancelled the DT. So if Mundus (with hpower source cut off making him weaker) can knock out Dante when under the effects of his DT who says Dante can't find a way to get out his DT's effects by using his own DT to overcome the effects which he has shown to be able to do to get out of Nevan's grasp and many other binding effects in DMC3.

2. Stopping time is far better than slowing down time. If you slow down time the enemy can still move and if they're fast enough (which DMC3 Dante can get major speed boost from his DT) they can still be a threat whereas stopping time completely stops the enemy and they wouldn't know it or react to it whereas DmC Dante's DmC technically doesn't slow down time it restricts movement and manipulates gravity so DMC3 Dante can react to it.

1. It did affect Vergil in that boss fight. How do you think Dante was able to get in there and finish the fight against TWO Vergils? Also, when that split second comes when DmC Dante DTs and DMC 3 Dante is thrown into the air. What's to say that DmC Dante can just slow time down there and kill DMC 3 Dante while he's trying to DT?

2. Quicksilver doesn't stop time. It slows down time. Going off of the mass of the object, DmC Dante is capable of stopping cars, plane propellers, boxcars, etc. His is much more stronger than DMC 3's Dantes. Could also mean his demonic energy trumps DMC 3's Dante.

3. On top of that, DmC's Dante slows down time dodging attacks and gains attack strength.

Can you include Weapons in your next response?

 

[DragonMaster2010]

WHOA! In before thread lock
Anyway New Dante obviously. hands down. Don't argue with me. You will not change my mind.

New Dante would beat DMC3 Dante to a bloody pulp no matter how much you wanna argue. He's stronger, better, and cooler so he'd kick the sh!t out of the old, frat boy, uncool DMC3 Dante without breaking a sweat.

End of discussion.

Goodbye.

 

[The Final Offer]

WHOA! In before thread lock
Anyway New Dante obviously. hands down. Don't argue with me. You will not change my mind.

New Dante would beat DMC3 Dante to a bloody pulp no matter how much you wanna argue. He's stronger, better, and cooler so he'd kick the sh!t out of the old, frat boy, uncool DMC3 Dante without breaking a sweat.

End of discussion.

Goodbye.

Lol

I have to see if he's serious.

 

[Caiden]

What is and isn't effected by New Dante's DT is pretty inconsistent. In gameplay it seems to not effect bosses much, but during cutscenes it renders them useless. A lot of Dante's abilities cause slight plot holes.

 

[Stylish Nero]

1. It did affect Vergil in that boss fight. How do you think Dante was able to get in there and finish the fight against TWO Vergils? Also, when that split second comes when DmC Dante DTs and DMC 3 Dante is thrown into the air. What's to say that DmC Dante can just slow time down there and kill DMC 3 Dante while he's trying to DT?

2. Quicksilver doesn't stop time. It slows down time. Going off of the mass of the object, DmC Dante is capable of stopping cars, plane propellers, boxcars, etc. His is much more stronger than DMC 3's Dantes. Could also mean his demonic energy trumps DMC 3's Dante.

3. On top of that, DmC's Dante slows down time dodging attacks and gains attack strength.

Can you include Weapons in your next response?

1. It only affected his Doppleganger. He lifted the Doppleganger in the air (which is made of demonic energy) and stabbed Vergil who was trying to regain his health by stabbing him (which is the only way to end that boss fight unless you can cheat the way in) and has shown at the end of the fight that his DT was in effect but Kat and even Vergil were moving just fine although Vergil was pinned. If you're referring to the Trade scene that wasn't Dante's doing but the effect of some random timeloop Mundus caused when he released all that energy.

2. Yes it does for in a cutscene when he first used it the rocks that were falling down completely stopped and were suspended in mid-air.

3. You do know when Dante Demon Dodge he too is moving in slow mo as its a slow mo effect used to indicate the dodge was successful and the player can respond quicker. Plus Dante had Royal Guard which allows him to negate all damage or at the very least cut the damage in half so DMC3 Dante has greater defensive capabilities and by building up his rage by soaking in hits he can return the damage tenfold dealing major damage.

 

[The Final Offer]

1. It only affected his Doppleganger. He lifted the Doppleganger in the air (which is made of demonic energy) and stabbed Vergil who was trying to regain his health by stabbing him (which is the only way to end that boss fight unless you can cheat the way in) and has shown at the end of the fight that his DT was in effect but Kat and even Vergil were moving just fine although Vergil was pinned. If you're referring to the Trade scene that wasn't Dante's doing but the effect of some random timeloop Mundus caused when he released all that energy.

2. Yes it does for in a cutscene when he first used it the rocks that were falling down completely stopped and were suspended in mid-air.

3. You do know when Dante Demon Dodge he too is moving in slow mo as its a slow mo effect used to indicate the dodge was successful and the player can respond quicker. Plus Dante had Royal Guard which allows him to negate all damage or at the very least cut the damage in half so DMC3 Dante has greater defensive capabilities and by building up his rage by soaking in hits he can return the damage tenfold dealing major damage.

1. I'm so glad you walked into that. Dante lifted a half demon's devil trigger like it was nothing. It consisted of nothing but demonic energy and he tossed it aside. It couldn't do what it wanted to.

1.5. Where's your source for Mundus time loop? Because Mundus doesn't have that kind of ability.

2. It's stated in game that it slows down time. What you're talking about is when he first got it. Means nothing in a real battle.

3. All I'm saying is pick a style and stick to it. Since DMC 3 Dante can't use all of them at once. So right now, you're saying Royal Guard can save DMC 3 Dante from DmC Dante. Cute.

DmC Dante wins. Agree or no?

Are you going to include weapons?​

 

[Stylish Nero]

1. I'm so glad you walked into that. Dante lifted a half demon's devil trigger like it was nothing. It consisted of nothing but demonic energy and he tossed it aside. It couldn't do what it wanted to.

1.5. Where's your source for Mundus time loop? Because Mundus doesn't have that kind of ability.

2. It's stated in game that it slows down time. What you're talking about is when he first got it. Means nothing in a real battle.

3. All I'm saying is pick a style and stick to it. Since DMC 3 Dante can't use all of them at once. So right now, you're saying Royal Guard can save DMC 3 Dante from DmC Dante. Cute.

DmC Dante wins. Agree or no?

Are you going to include weapons?​

1. The Doppleganger is just a representation/manifestation of Vergil's power that he controls not an actual sentient being with a conscious or will so its very different from someone who is very powerful and part HUMAN in which it didn't affect Kat (an human). I guess his DT could have more effect on Dante in his DT state.

1.5. Do you have proof the time distortions were caused by Dante for they just happen at random and not even Dante knows how its happening?

2. It can do both apparently.

Plus when they say it slows down time it was referring in a gameplay sense. Quicksilver in general gives Dante a good control over time (whether it be slowing down time or stopping time). Plus Dante in DMC3 defeated Geryon a demon that can stop and slow down time so Dante can handle any slowing down effects.

3. That factor shouldn't matter for that was set there due to limitations set by the PS2. That is like saying DMC1 & DMC2 Dante is weaker than DMC3 Dante since he couldn't move as fast in gameplay or have as much advanced gameplay mechanics. Plus in cutscenes Dante has shown capable of using 2 styles at once (or moves belonging in more than one style) like using Twosome Time, Rainstorm, and then Sword Lunge (a Sword Master skill) or what about the fact when you reach the end of mission 14 with any other Devil Arm except for Cerberus but at the end Dante is shown with Cerberus and using it despite the player might not have switched to it. Incorporating gameplay especially in contexts that don't makes sense and when its due to limitations and well....prequel syndrome....isn't going to help your case. We're accessing their feats and how they function even in gameplay and cinematics rather than how the system is set up for the PLAYER (a factor not including in these discussions) to use them.

Plus yes Royal Guard can save Dante from anything DmC Dante can dish out. In the DMC4 novel Dante was able to fully tank the Savior's huge ass city destroying laser by using Royal Guard (something you can regular do in DMC4)....like a boss. Plus in DMC3 Dante's Royal Guard can block any enemy attacks even Vergil's best moves like that Hyperspeed Dimension Slash of his. After accumulating the soaked up damage Dante can return it to the other Dante tenfold and it functions as an effective counter, parry, and stopping move (with or without accumulated damage to dish back).

No.

 

[The Final Offer]

1. The Doppleganger is just a representation/manifestation of Vergil's power that he controls not an actual sentient being with a conscious or will so its very different from someone who is very powerful and part HUMAN in which it didn't affect Kat (an human). I guess his DT could have more effect on Dante in his DT state.

1.5. Do you have proof the time distortions were caused by Dante for they just happen at random and not even Dante knows how its happening?

2. It can do both apparently.

Plus when they say it slows down time it was referring in a gameplay sense. Quicksilver in general gives Dante a good control over time (whether it be slowing down time or stopping time). Plus Dante in DMC3 defeated Geryon a demon that can stop and slow down time so Dante can handle any slowing down effects.

3. That factor shouldn't matter for that was set there due to limitations set by the PS2. That is like saying DMC1 & DMC2 Dante is weaker than DMC3 Dante since he couldn't move as fast in gameplay or have as much advanced gameplay mechanics. Plus in cutscenes Dante has shown capable of using 2 styles at once (or moves belonging in more than one style) like using Twosome Time, Rainstorm, and then Sword Lunge (a Sword Master skill) or what about the fact when you reach the end of mission 14 with any other Devil Arm except for Cerberus but at the end Dante is shown with Cerberus and using it despite the player might not have switched to it. Incorporating gameplay especially in contexts that don't makes sense and when its due to limitations and well....prequel syndrome....isn't going to help your case. We're accessing their feats and how they function even in gameplay and cinematics rather than how the system is set up for the PLAYER (a factor not including in these discussions) to use them.

Plus yes Royal Guard can save Dante from anything DmC Dante can dish out. In the DMC4 novel Dante was able to fully tank the Savior's huge ass city destroying laser by using Royal Guard (something you can regular do in DMC4)....like a boss. Plus in DMC3 Dante's Royal Guard can block any enemy attacks even Vergil's best moves like that Hyperspeed Dimension Slash of his. After accumulating the soaked up damage Dante can return it to the other Dante tenfold and it functions as an effective counter, parry, and stopping move (with or without accumulated damage to dish back).

No.

1. The fact that a doppleganger means a double (ghost form) of an organism and the fact that usually a doppleganger is there to provide advice to the organism; Is sound evidence that it is indeed alive and also has a mind of it's own, in this case the original being Nephilim, it can go about doing whatever it pleases when assigned to. So yes, it is conscious with the same abilities as it's original. Therefore, your argument here is invalid and untrue.

1.5. Is this even a real question? Do you not see how it benefits Dante each time he SEES a fate? It's simply him. The time distortion ends when he accomplishes his goal and the stress is gone. Since he's at his peak, he knows that now.

2. I'm sorry what will that do against someone who can manipulate the gravity around something? The way Geyron uses time manipulation and the way Dante uses it are different. I

3. Funny you should mention the use of style techniques. Even with all of the styles, he still couldn't beat the aforementioned DT. This is why you won't carry on with the weapons category.

3.5. We're not talking about DMC 4 Dante. We're talking DMC 3. Royal guard isn't anything to be afraid of, if you can't move or even comprehend what's going to happen. Stacking up the fun of this conversation. You do know if DmC Dante hits DMC Dante once it's going to be a killing blow right?

 

[Caiden]

1. The fact that a doppleganger means a double (ghost form) of an organism and the fact that usually a doppleganger is there to provide advice to the organism; Is sound evidence that it is indeed alive and also has a mind of it's own, in this case the original being Nephilim, it can go about doing whatever it pleases when assigned to. So yes, it is conscious with the same abilities as it's original. Therefore, your argument here is invalid and untrue.

1.5. Is this even a real question? Do you not see how it benefits Dante each time he SEES a fate? It's simply him. The time distortion ends when he accomplishes his goal and the stress is gone. Since he's at his peak, he knows that now.

2. I'm sorry what will that do against someone who can manipulate the gravity around something? The way Geyron uses time manipulation and the way Dante uses it are different. I

3. Funny you should mention the use of style techniques. Even with all of the styles, he still couldn't beat the aforementioned DT. This is why you won't carry on with the weapons category.

3.5. We're not talking about DMC 4 Dante. We're talking DMC 3. Royal guard isn't anything to be afraid of, if you can't move or even comprehend what's going to happen. Stacking up the fun of this conversation. You do know if DmC Dante hits DMC Dante once it's going to be a killing blow right?

Why would it be a killing blow? In fact when did DmC Dante ever make the killing blow in one attack? Every enemy he has fought he needed to strike them multiple times before they went down, which is mostly the same for DMC Dante.

 

[The Final Offer]

Why would it be a killing blow? In fact when did DmC Dante ever make the killing blow in one attack? Every enemy he has fought he needed to strike them multiple times before they went down, which is mostly the same for DMC Dante.

Simple. The Half Demon has no information or experience whatsoever with angelic energy let alone weaponry. This element is the game point for the Nephilim. It may even be capable of purifying or completely annihilating the Half Demon's capabilities. There's no telling how the effects of heavenly weapons will affect a half demon in the DMC universe.

I'm assuming if angelic weapons can kill something as powerful as Spawn. It can do the same to a half demon.

With all that said. Nephilims are "by nature" stronger than half breeds.

 

[Picard]

With all that said. Nephilims are "by nature" stronger than half breeds.

Ehh, no. Thing about human/demon hybrids is that they have good sides of both humans and demons... demonic physical durability and strength, and human determination and ability to love and make sacrifice, as well as ability to learn and develop. I don't think enough is known about DmC demons and angels to make an educated guess, but you can't say that njet-Dante is stronger than DMC Dante just because he's completely inhuman. In DMC itself, human/demon hybrids are likely stronger, or at least can become stronger, than most demons.

 

[Caiden]

Simple. The Half Demon has no information or experience whatsoever with angelic energy let alone weaponry. This element is the game point for the Nephilim. It may even be capable of purifying or completely annihilating the Half Demon's capabilities. There's no telling how the effects of heavenly weapons will affect a half demon in the DMC universe.

I'm assuming if angelic weapons can kill something as powerful as Spawn. It can do the same to a half demon.

With all that said. Nephilims are "by nature" stronger than half breeds.

Eliminating half demon capabilities? Please don't use head Canon. Plenty of demons are hit by angel weapons during DmC and they didn't just lose all of their power. For the most part angel weapons are only special when fighting blue enemies and opening pathways.

 

[berto]

Donte - clearly screaming and whining at a cut in his chest. (you all know that's in the game)
Dante - multiple blades straight through him and no f**ks are given. (Plus the 2 headshots from Lady later on that do nothing)

Both of these are the young versions "at their weakest", so yeah, Dante kicks the s**t out of Donte and defiles the remains.

you make a persuasive argument.

1.While the enemies are lifted from the ground, paralyzed, and frozen in the Nephilim's attack vicinity by the sheer amount of demonic energy the Nephilim is outputting, they are moving very slowly, that's space control.
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If it doesn't work on Vergil I don't think it'll work on Dante. Maybe his shadow but not him.

 

[DarkSlayerZero]

So your argument is if Vergil could ge stronger by DF so can DmC Dante well their is no argument to make Vergil in DMC couldn't get stronger and he did and he's called Nelo Angelo.

Umm Vergil didn't just willingly get strong enough in order to turn into Nero Angelo.

We don't know how he got like that(Don't come sprouting what crappy DMC4 said).

 

[Caiden]

I am pretty sure we can safely say that Vergil got his power as Nelo Angelo from Mundus manipulating him.

 

[The Final Offer]

Picard and Caiden. I simply will ask you this.

Can DMC 3 Dante defeat Mundus from DmC?

 

[Caiden]

I am assuming you are asking that to compare him to DmC Dante with is pointless cause he had Vergils help so its not and even comparison.

 

[The Final Offer]

I am assuming you are asking that to compare him to DmC Dante with is pointless cause he had Vergils help so its not and even comparison.

That's right, he can't. Because he is not as strong. Mundus would annihilate him just like he did Sparda.

Can DmC Dante defeat DMC's Mundus? Of course he can.

You have to remember Caiden, these Dantes are at their peak.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Anyway New Dante obviously. hands down. Don't argue with me. You will not change my mind.

Ha-yup.

 

[Caiden]

That's right, he can't. Because he is not as strong. Mundus would annihilate him just like he did Sparda.

Can DmC Dante defeat DMC's Mundus? Of course he can.

You have to remember Caiden, these Dantes are at their peak.

I...I...I. I really hope you are trolling. You have nothing to back up your post. first off DmC Mundus is a pushover of a boss. His kid was a tougher boss fight. Second it is pretty clear that Sparda of the DmC universe does not play the same role as Sparda of the DMC universe. In DmC he was simply a trust subject of Mundus's that fell in love with an angel which was seen as a betrayal. DMC Sparda did not agree with what Mundus was doing to humans and instead fought against his former Master. Sparda of DmC as far as we know was just someone Mundus trusted. we don't know anything of his abilities or power. Sparada of DMC was a legendary warrior who was a clear threat and knew he was a threat which is why he was confident of going head to head with Mundus. See the difference?

Next how in the hell is DmC Dante going to take down DMC Mundus. Does Dante have a form with wings? nope. Does Dante have the same level of abilities that allowed DMC Dante to cripple Mundus forcing him to land? nope. Does he fight a boss that is on the same level? nope. Remember that DmC Mundus is feared because he has the hell gate. It makes him immortal. But once the hell gate was closed he lost a huge chuck of his power. DMC Mundus on the other hand is feared because he has that most raw power in the demon realm.

Also what do you mean by Dante's? Are you still talking about DMC3 Dante because if you are, than he is most defiantly not the peak of Dante's power.