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Does Ninja theory deserv to pay tribute to their country with flag on main character's jacket?

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CoolDemon

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You guys know me - i dislike DmC and i dislike Tameem Antoniades more.
Capcom gave Dante to Ninja theory. I was ****ed off. I thought many bad things about Capcom, and more about Tameem Antoniades for making a character that's a copy of himself and labeling it "Dante".

Then i started to think about Hideki Kamiya, and that he was original creator of Dante. I thought Capcom had scammed Dante off Hideki (the character) after he left the company.

One person enlighteened me, and told me "Capcom paid Hideki to create Dante". And the feeling you have after you realize you've been a fool. For example you overreacted and got angry at someone, only to find out that what you did was stupid. And your overreaction was just you interpreting things wrongly. I felt that way. I thought "Capcom owns Dante...They own him". And with that all the things i thought of Capcom slipped out of my mind. No longer did i think Capcom is *insert bad word*. Because they rightfully own DMC and the character Dante.

Now a issue (of MANY!) i have with DmC is the flag on DmC Dante's jacket. Debating with others that DmC has a strong british standpoint i argumented for that if the flag's purpose is to pay tribute to Ninja theory's country, why did they not pay tribute to this same country in Heavenly sword or Enslaved? Why did they begin this "tribute" in DmC.
And i said if it's not a tribute then it arguments for that DmC is taking a british standpoint. Because although "punk" look or punk movement started in UK, i doubt that the punks around world wore jackets with british flag. Why would for example a dutch punk have a british flag on his jacket?

Others have argumented against me saying "Ninja theory wants to show they made DmC - that it's their work". I have replied back saying "Their logo is stamped on cover, and they are well known to be the developers who's making DmC". And Ninja theory wants to make the fact they have had a major role in DmC project why not use a ninja character than a british flag? Let's go into a scenario:
You don't know who Ninja theory is. You just know "Capcom made DmC", and your playing DmC. Then you see british flag on DmC Dante. Do you then think "British flag means UK, and UK means Ninja theory!". No, i highly doubt that - remember you don't know about Ninja theory. And if you know of Ninja theory or noticed them enough - then surely you would also know that they have had a major role in DmC - the game that your playing.

Getting to the point... Capcom has a major role in gameplay. Ninja theory in art, story and music. It's a collaboration - Ninja theory are alone on making DmC. On top of it Capcom is paying, YES, paying Ninja theory to make DmC for them. Just like how Hideki made DMC for Capcom.

So what gives Ninja theory who didn't pay any tribute to the country they are in any clear form in Enslaved or Heavenly sword, to do it in a game that's not made just by them, and also is rightfully Capcom's?
We saw in DmC gameplay footage at IGN that a car's license number was "DMC 5", the car was old and rusty. How would you interpret that as? That DMC 5 is dead? That DMC 5 is rusty and DmC is new and exciting?
Why do i bring this up? Because i believe they put the flag on DmC Dante because they simply liked to have it there, and not because of a more wise thought. And if i am wrong, and they had a wise thought process that punks wore jackets with union jack then doesn't that prove that Ninja theory is taking a british standpoint on DmC?
 
DreadnoughtDT said:
Well, if I were to make a game, I'd likely put an American flag in there somewhere. Then again I'm a teen, so that might make my statement invalid in other people's eyes.
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If you were to make a game yes. But Ninja theory is not just making a game. They are making a game with and for Capcom. They are not doing it alone, and they are being paid money.

If you think it's right for Ninja theory to pay tribute to their country through a game that's not their - then you probably should agree to that Capcom should give DMC game serie rights to Hideki Kamiya right?
Because Hideki Kamiya don't owe DMC and Dante but he had a major role in the creation.
 
CoolDemon said:
If you were to make a game yes. But Ninja theory is not just making a game. They are making a game with and for Capcom. They are not doing it alone, and they are being paid money.

If you think it's right for Ninja theory to pay tribute to their country through a game that's not their - then you probably should agree to that Capcom should give DMC game serie rights to Hideki Kamiya right?
Because Hideki Kamiya don't owe DMC and Dante but he had a major role in the creation.
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Now you're cramming words down my throat.

DMC gets owned by who owns it. I don't care who owns it as long as the game is good and I enjoy playing it. It's as simple as that. Hideki Kamiya doesn't own it anymore, and I don't care. If the game's good, then I'm buying it.
 
DreadnoughtDT said:
Now you're cramming words down my throat.

DMC gets owned by who owns it. I don't care who owns it as long as the game is good and I enjoy playing it. It's as simple as that. Hideki Kamiya doesn't own it anymore, and I don't care. If the game's good, then I'm buying it.
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I asked the question "Does Ninja theory deserv to pay tribute to their country?". I didn't ask if you were to buy the game or not. Ninja theory and Capcom are partners in DmC project. DmC is not a product by Ninja theory but by Capcom+Ninja theory.

And if your answer is "Yes, they have right to do so" then i would say your wrong. Because Ninja theory does not owe DmC, and neither are they making it by themself like your example where you said "If i made a game i would put American....".
 
i say yes, since this is ninja theory's version of devil may cry, their version of dante, and their version of his origins. capcom wants ninja theory's take on devil may cry. so ninja theory putting an easter egg on dante's attire (which in my opinion totally fits his style) is exactly what capcom wants them to do. so ninja theory definitely deserves the right to put their own spice to dante.
 
CoolDemon said:
PLEASE VOTE IN POLL

You guys know me - i dislike DmC and i dislike Tameem Antoniades more.
Capcom gave Dante to Ninja theory. I was ****ed off. I thought many bad things about Capcom, and more about Tameem Antoniades for making a character that's a copy of himself and labeling it "Dante".

Then i started to think about Hideki Kamiya, and that he was original creator of Dante. I thought Capcom had scammed Dante off


Hideki (the character) after he left the company.

One person enlighteened me, and told me "Capcom paid Hideki to create Dante". And the feeling you have after you realize you've been a fool. For example you overreacted and got angry at someone, only to find out that what you did was stupid. And your
overreaction was just you interpreting things wrongly. I felt that way. I thought "Capcom owns Dante...They own him". And with that all the things i thought of Capcom slipped out of my mind. No longer did i think Capcom is *insert bad word*. Because they rightfully
own DMC and the character Dante.

Now a issue (of MANY!) i have with DmC is the flag on DmC Dante's jacket. Debating with others that DmC has a strong british
standpoint i argumented for that if the flag's purpose is to pay tribute to Ninja theory's country, why did they not pay tribute to this same country in Heavenly sword or Enslaved? Why did they begin this "tribute" in DmC.
And i said if it's not a tribute then it arguments for that DmC is taking a british standpoint. Because although "punk" look or punk
movement started in UK, i doubt that the punks around world wore jackets with british flag. Why would for example a dutch punk have
a british flag on his jacket?

Others have argumented against me saying "Ninja theory wants to show they made DmC - that it's their work". I have replied back saying "Their logo is stamped on cover, and they are well known to be the developers who's making DmC". And Ninja theory wants to make the fact they have had a major role in DmC project why not use a ninja character than a british flag? Let's go into a scenario:
You don't know who Ninja theory is. You just know "Capcom made DmC", and your playing DmC. Then you see british flag on DmC
Dante. Do you then think "British flag means UK, and UK means Ninja theory!". No, i highly doubt that - remember you don't know about Ninja theory. And if you know of Ninja theory or noticed them enough - then surely you would also know that they have had a major role in DmC - the game that your playing

Getting to the point... Capcom has a major role in gameplay. Ninja theory in art, story and music. It's a collaboration - Ninja

theory are alone on making DmC. On top of it Capcom is paying, YES, paying Ninja theory to make DmC for them. Just like how Hideki

made DMC for


So what gives Ninja theory who didn't pay any tribute to the country they are in any clear form in Enslaved or Heavenly sword, to do it in a game that's not made just by them, and also is rightfully Capcom's?
We saw in DmC gameplay footage at IGN that a car's license number was "DMC 5", the car was old and rusty. How would you interpret that as? That DMC 5 is dead? That DMC 5 is rusty and DmC is new and exciting?
Why do i bring this up? Because i believe they put the flag on DmC Dante because they simply liked to have it there, and not because of a more wise thought. And if i am wrong, and they had a wise thought process that punks wore jackets with union jack then doesn't

that prove that Ninja theory is taking a british standpoint on DmC?
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since this thread is obviously going where "the DmC issue "went I am just going to point out why anybody should even care about a tiny Easter egg
This whole thing is gonna be locked probably:rolleyes:
 
I don't like it. My reason is that I'm from the UK and I don't like what they've done to Dante, flag or no flag. To be honest I think it's irrelevant - stop showing the world that it was the UK who turned An icon into that! :(
 
I voted "NO". For me, it's not a matter of what they deserve, but what they can do and what they can not. Hell, they didn't even deserve DMC if I'm honest.
 
I just think that the people who keep whining about this new game because they expected a continuation of the previous series and got that instead, seriously never learn.

I have t-shirts with flags back at home. They do not mean anything, I just liked the t-shirts.

However now you are going to say that this is a game, and different and stuff like that. Yeah well, what does "deserve" mean? If Capcom's okay with it I don't see what your problem is.

I am certain that if the old Dante we all love went up and wore something with a small U.K. flag you'd be fascinated. Not all of you, but a large part. This is another "attack" to the new Dante, and to be honest, it's getting really, really tiring.

For me I personally don't care if Dante starts wearing a different flag in every mission - it'd be kinda funny.
And NT thought of paying a tribute to their country, yeah so what? If you hate it as much, when it comes out create mods that allow you to make new Dante look like DMC4 Dante without any flags or anything.
 
Personally, I don't really care if the new Dante wears a flag on his arm because it doesn't affect anything in the final game itself. Anyone can put a flag on their clothes for various reasons.

Yes, Ninja Theory deserves to pay tribute to their character by doing that. Not because I like it, but because it is Ninja Theory's decision.
 
Tony_Redgrave said:
I am certain that if the old Dante we all love went up and wore something with a small U.K. flag you'd be fascinated. Not all of you, but a large part.
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I disagree.

I think you may have that sentiment backwards.

A LARGE part would NOT like seeing Dante with a UK tatoo and a small part would either not care or be fascinated by it.

And the reason being is that it does not make any sense and would just be flat out weird. The original Dante is not even from the UK and it would feel shoehorned if he had a UK flag on his jacket.

This is all just my opinion of course.

And Its not THAT big of a deal but it is a small issue none the less.

And this Dante is the same. A UK flag on a character who seems pretty much American (judging by the way he talks) does seem kinda weird.
 
This issue even has it's OWN thread now? seriously? how is this STILL an issue? THIS SPECIFIC debate has gone on for months now with absolutely no points being made...yes they "deserve" to put it in. Not by any achievements (who has the right to judge them?), but because they are making the game, they are being given artistic freedom, and Capcom doesn't care about that. It's really irrelevant to anything in the game itself. When you make a game, you can put in whatever little easter eggs you want. And then watch part of the gaming community complain over and over and over and over and over and over about every move you make and every easter egg you put in. (He shouldn't have black shoes, that's clearly a tribute to Hitman and they didn't do that in any of their games before. He shouldn't have red jacket, that's clearly a tribute to Dante and they didn't do that in any of their games before. He shouldn't have black hair, that's clearly a tribute to Frank West and they didn't do that in any of their games before). This is getting REALLY old.

^He never said anything about a tattoo...perhaps the jacket he wears is from Britain or his shoes (as I mentioned in threads before, I'm American and I used to wear shoes from a British company that had the Union Jack on it...not a single ounce of my genetics comes from GB. My best friend has a Union Jack in his room...guess what...he's American).
 
Tony_Redgrave said:
I just think that the people who keep whining about this new game because they expected a continuation of the previous series and got that instead, seriously never learn.

I have t-shirts with flags back at home. They do not mean anything, I just liked the t-shirts.

However now you are going to say that this is a game, and different and stuff like that. Yeah well, what does "deserve" mean? If Capcom's okay with it I don't see what your problem is.

I am certain that if the old Dante we all love went up and wore something with a small U.K. flag you'd be fascinated. Not all of you, but a large part. This is another "attack" to the new Dante, and to be honest, it's getting really, really tiring.

For me I personally don't care if Dante starts wearing a different flag in every mission - it'd be kinda funny.
And NT thought of paying a tribute to their country, yeah so what? If you hate it as much, when it comes out create mods that allow you to make new Dante look like DMC4 Dante without any flags or anything.
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But you wearing ****s with flags may not mean anything. But can you say the same thing about DmC?
If Dante wore a flag i would just ignore it not love it. Unless if it´s a Japan flag as Japanese people created DMC and Dante.
I am talking about why i find the flag a issue. And i have asked the question why they haven´t paid tribute in Enslaved or Heavenly sword.
 
NO! this will end up becoming a fight i can see it no flag no favouratism no fighting my opinion and my answer................okay glad thats over and done with
 
CoolDemon said:
But you wearing ****s with flags may not mean anything. But can you say the same thing about DmC?
If Dante wore a flag i would just ignore it not love it. Unless if it´s a Japan flag as Japanese people created DMC and Dante.
I am talking about why i find the flag a issue. And i have asked the question why they haven´t paid tribute in Enslaved or Heavenly sword.
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they didn't pay tribute in enslaved, or heavenly sword because they didn't want to, it was their creations, and they didn't think it fit their style. but with dante they thought it fit his style, and since dante isn't their character im guessing they wanted to put a little twist of their own on his appearance. afterall it's ninja theory's version of dante.
 
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