Roguelike: The Solution to DmC's Difficulty Issue

[Kam]

Its basically like DmC with canceling from one move to the next in a reload of attacking pattern, only DmC does it without annoying multi-button mechanics.

Again, it's still pretty bias.

That's a really elaborate way of saying you can't do it

This video is a good example of what I'm talking about. On this difficulty each of those parries must be timed within 1/10th of a second of an attack landing, or they'll shatter through the guard. If you're counting, that's 6 frames. When a player does something like this consistently, that is genuine skill.

But if you insist that it's just like DmC, I invite you to prove it to me. I mean, I've already tried pretty hard to replicate my favorite style in DmC, but I eventually gave up with DmC's horribly inconsistent parry mechanic. If you think you can do better, go for it.

Just throw together a short video of you "canceling from one move to the next in a reload of attacking pattern" to do what this player does, and hey, it should be even easier for you since "DmC does it without annoying multi-button mechanics." I mean, a high-risk high-reward skill intensive style is one thing, but asking players to push more than one button at the same time? That's just annoying

 

[Demi-fiend]

That's a really elaborate way of saying you can't do it

Really?

You're just gonna rag on his skill level because you didn't like what he said.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

That's a really elaborate way of saying you can't do it

This video is a good example of what I'm talking about. On this difficulty each of those parries must be timed within 1/10th of a second of an attack landing, or they'll shatter through the guard. If you're counting, that's 6 frames. When a player does something like this consistently, that is genuine skill.

But if you insist that it's just like DmC, I invite you to prove it to me. I mean, I've already tried pretty hard to replicate my favorite style in DmC, but I eventually gave up with DmC's horribly inconsistent parry mechanic. If you think you can do better, go for it.

Just throw together a short video of you "canceling from one move to the next in a reload of attacking pattern" to do what this player does, and hey, it should be even easier for you since "DmC does it without annoying multi-button mechanics." I mean, a high-risk high-reward skill intensive style is one thing, but asking players to push more than one button at the same time? That's just annoying

How does that in anyway mean he can't do it?

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

there is a tougher difficulty than dmd on DMC4 called god must die and if you mix it with LDK then it can be horribly tough , try it out

 

[Kam]

How does that in anyway mean he can't do it?

well, not existing within the game is a pretty strong argument for that, so I'd say it means he can't do it in all of the ways. But once again, I'm inviting anyone to prove me wrong

Really?
You're just gonna rag on his skill level because you didn't like what he said.

Really?
You're just gonna ignore everything I just said because you didn't like what I said.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Really?
You're just gonna ignore everything I just said because you didn't like what I said.

How can I not like what you said if I ignored it?

Either I read it and didn't like it, or I ignored it altogether.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

well, not existing within the game is a pretty strong argument for that, so I'd say it means he can't do it in all of the ways. But once again, I'm inviting anyone to prove me wrong

"Its basically like DmC with canceling from one move to the next in a reload of attacking pattern, only DmC does it without annoying multi-button mechanics."
He literally says in here that it can be done in DmC, it just requires less multi-button mechanics.

 

[Demi-fiend]

He literally says in here that it can be done in DmC, it just requires less multi-button mechanics.

PROVE ME WRONG.

 

[Kam]

How can I not like what you said if I ignored it?

Either I read it and didn't like it, or I ignored it altogether.

this... is actually a good point. Okay you got me

 

[Kam]

"Its basically like DmC with canceling from one move to the next in a reload of attacking pattern, only DmC does it without annoying multi-button mechanics."
He literally says in here that it can be done in DmC, it just requires less multi-button mechanics.

no, what he said was some sort of insane ramble that has absolutely nothing to do with hitting a block button. Are you messing with me right now?

 

[Exejpgwmv]

no, what he said was some sort of insane ramble that has absolutely nothing to do with hitting a block button. Are you messing with me right now?

But it functions like Royalguard.
It doesn't have to involve holding down a "block button".

 

[jagotron]

Well I guess we will argue over which came has better mechanics and not think of better ones?

 

[DragonMaster2010]

That's a really elaborate way of saying you can't do it

This video is a good example of what I'm talking about. On this difficulty each of those parries must be timed within 1/10th of a second of an attack landing, or they'll shatter through the guard. If you're counting, that's 6 frames. When a player does something like this consistently, that is genuine skill.

So parrying. Like DmC.

But if you insist that it's just like DmC, I invite you to prove it to me. I mean, I've already tried pretty hard to replicate my favorite style in DmC, but I eventually gave up with DmC's horribly inconsistent parry mechanic. If you think you can do better, go for it.

For starters, like I said before. DmC and DMC4 are the same in launching an enemy up, slash away at them, and they're vulnerable. It's not about the mechanics as you say it is, but rather biology of the whole thing of hit 'em in the air, slice away, jump cancel here and there, and finally smash them down to finish them off stylishly. You insist that they're not the same, but honestly they look pretty much a like that you can tell that they're both Devil May Cry.

Just throw together a short video of you "canceling from one move to the next in a reload of attacking pattern" to do what this player does, and hey, it should be even easier for you since "DmC does it without annoying multi-button mechanics." I mean, a high-risk high-reward skill intensive style is one thing, but asking players to push more than one button at the same time? That's just annoying

I don't have to do anything. The proof is in the way people combos.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Yeah, but parry still looks pretty slick if you do it right (from multiple angles, I mean).

Go to 1:28

 

[ChaserTech]

But it functions like Royalguard.
It doesn't have to involve holding down a "block button".

Actually with Royal Guard, you don't hold down the block button or else you're more susceptible when it comes to getting your guard crushed. You have to tap it within a few frames.

However I think my main problem is that parrying is pretty easy to do since you have a wide variety of ways to parry, meaning that he can use different weapons that have different active hitboxes and just choose the most reliant move to parry. And because of this, it more OP than Royal Guard in some instances. Not only that, but it also interrupts enemies and even stuns bosses iirc.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Well I guess we will argue over which came has better mechanics and not think of better ones?

I've tried that, actually --

-- however, for some reason I honestly don't think that anyone would be interested in my ideas.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

Actually with Royal Guard, you don't hold down the block button or else you're more susceptible when it comes to getting your guard crushed. You have to tap it within a few frames.

However I think my main problem is that parrying is pretty easy to do since you have a wide variety of ways to parry, meaning that he can use different weapons that have different active hitboxes and just choose the most reliant move to parry. And because of this, it more OP than Royal Guard in some instances. Not only that, but it also interrupts enemies and even stuns bosses iirc.

I know, his words not mine

Also, How?
It mostly just stuns enemies and bosses.(MOSTLY)
With royal guard you are guaranteed damage.(If done correctly)

 

[ChaserTech]

How?
It mostly just stuns enemies and bosses.(MOSTLY)
With royal guard you are guaranteed damage.

Yeah but royal guard rewards you for consecutive blocks that you've done previously. And with royal release

I know, his words not mine

Also, How?
It mostly just stuns enemies and bosses.(MOSTLY)
With royal guard you are guaranteed damage.(If done correctly)

Even with the guaranteed damage, it's very miniscule unless you build up Dante's RG meter.

When you stun enemies/bosses in DmC, you get a lot a free hits in and it makes the boss incredibly easy. With DMC4 (and arguably DMC3) parrying bosses required you to build up your RG meter. The higher it is, the higher the damage will be dealt after a Royal Release. But building up the gauge can take a bit of time unless you are royal guarding perfectly against consecutive attacks constantly. And you don't stun bosses while using Royal Release, with the exception of Credo (but he blocks it if he's in a grounded state for most of his moves) However, even stunning credo is not enough to get a good amount of damage in.

 

[KenKen]

Yeah, just dropping in here.

I would REALLY like to see RG and RG-cancel make its way into the DmC series. The way Bayonetta and Metal Gear Rising did it was nifty.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

Yeah but royal guard rewards you for consecutive blocks that you've done previously. And with royal release


Even with the guaranteed damage, it's very miniscule unless you build up Dante's RG meter.

When you stun enemies/bosses in DmC, you get a lot a free hits in and it makes the boss incredibly easy. With DMC4 (and arguably DMC3) parrying bosses required you to build up your RG meter. The higher it is, the higher the damage will be dealt after a Royal Release. But building up the gauge can take a bit of time unless you are royal guarding perfectly against consecutive attacks constantly. And you don't stun bosses while using Royal Release, with the exception of Credo (but he blocks it if he's in a grounded state for most of his moves) However, even stunning credo is not enough to get a good amount of damage in.

Sorry, I thought we were talking about DMC3's uber-powerful royal guard