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Ninja Theory on Why Dante is Such a “Dickhead”

Breaking8ad said:
Really? why thank you dear sir! I don't know if this sounds weird but you made me blush! (no I'm not kidding >_<) I hope to be a bombin' english teacher, and I think you are a fantastic individual yourself. To me a story is like creating life...It feels amazing. I constantly have ideas in my head for stories and worlds that I don't think (and hope) exist yet. This is why I envy you. I never have time to just sit down and put my ideas to paper, but I do try. Unfortunately I can be somewhat of a perfectionist at times and I will go back to my material and end up re-writing it into a revamped version of what I had before.

I have also been playing around with my ideas of reversing the chronological timeline (end>middle>beginning) and what I can do with it. Always full of ideas and it would be a tremendous pleasure to help others bring that out within themselves as well cause it feels freaking amazing.
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I am exactly the same way. I've been writing since middle school, and I have a giant word document on my computer of every idea I've had. I also went through like...three different versions of my transcript, and ended up removing one story for another (the first book was a novella collection). We our own worst enemies when we're so focused on perfectionism >.< At least it's better than being content with something that might not be your best.

I've got some really random ideas too that I want to try out, hopefully I can get some good use out of them some day. If my career ever takes off and you become a teacher, I'll gladly come and speak for your classes and just...shoot the breeze, if need be, get those kids writin'!
 
Railazel said:
It's the reason why I like Superman and Iron Man. Their pasts aren't a relevant factor in their lives, they do what they do because it is right and needs to be done. I just want to see whether Dante grows up to be a better person, that's all.
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I'm sorry, but I had the biggest facepalm after reading that.

Stark is a douche bag that changed ways when he found why life is precious, he found out that he should become a better person. He became part machine because it saved his life. He BECAME iron man. It didn't happen on a whim either. He had to learn how to be selfless, mostly on his own.

It's even sadder in the original origin story where he can't even remove the suit or he'll die.

Superman is a different dilemma. His parents gave him a choice for his future and his past gave him purpose. He is there as an example of how great we can all be. He could have just done nothing, but instead he burdens himself with the future of mankind. Read All-star Superman. It's the hubris of what Superman is all about.

There are parallels here: Tony Stark and Dante are very similar in the way that they are not decent people in the start of their journey. And their pasts will come back to them, to remind them, and to shape their decisions in the very end.

The past is always relevant. Even in the original DMC story line. More so in DmC.
 
Paexie said:
I'm sorry, but I had the biggest facepalm after reading that.

Stark is a douche bag that changed ways when he found why life is precious, he found out that he should become a better person. He became part machine because it saved his life. He BECAME iron man. It didn't happen on a whim either. He had to learn how to be selfless, mostly on his own.

It's even sadder in the original origin story where he can't even remove the suit or he'll die.

Superman is a different dilemma. His parents gave him a choice for his future and his past gave him purpose. He is there as an example of how great we can all be. He could have just done nothing, but instead he burdens himself with the future of mankind. Read All-star Superman. It's the hubris of what Superman is all about.

There are parallels here: Tony Stark and Dante are very similar in the way that they are not decent people in the start of their journey. And their pasts will come back to them, to remind them, and to shape their decisions in the very end.

The past is always relevant. Even in the original DMC story line. More so in DmC.
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THANK YOU! Why some people decide that backstories are irrelevent to how a character evolves, especially after this, I will never understand. Backstory is EVERYTHING to a character, even to someone as basic in outline as Superman.
 
Paexie said:
I'm sorry, but I had the biggest facepalm after reading that.

Stark is a douche bag that changed ways when he found why life is precious, he found out that he should become a better person. He became part machine because it saved his life. He BECAME iron man. It didn't happen on a whim either. He had to learn how to be selfless, mostly on his own.

It's even sadder in the original origin story where he can't even remove the suit or he'll die.

Superman is a different dilemma. His parents gave him a choice for his future and his past gave him purpose. He is there as an example of how great we can all be. He could have just done nothing, but instead he burdens himself with the future of mankind. Read All-star Superman. It's the hubris of what Superman is all about.

There are parallels here: Tony Stark and Dante are very similar in the way that they are not decent people in the start of their journey. And their pasts will come back to them, to remind them, and to shape their decisions in the very end.

The past is always relevant. Even in the original DMC story line. More so in DmC.
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YES! YES! I fully agree! :D

C'mon. Tony Stark is a billionaire but an a$$hole and a playboy. If you watch the first Iron Man film, he got a near-death experience and he encountered terrorists. He used his brains on how to get out from the terrorists' lair and he made his first prototype.... and his first core. It saved his life. And he decided to make a difference to become Iron Man. It didn't happen on whim, like you said. Selflessness is what a hero is and Tony is learning about it. No wonder why he got a heated argument with Steve/Captain America in "The Avengers" with this:


Maybe Tony was right about Steve. Yes, Rogers is a lab experiment but he took it as an opportunity to make a difference. If you look at his backstory, Steve Rogers is a skinny, thin little guy who gets beaten to a pulp by bullies. "Captain America: The First Avenger" shows us that. Despite of his stature AND condition, he wanted to enlist in the US Army because he had great pride on his deceased parents (his dad was a soldier, his mother was a nurse) and he can serve his country. He even said, "I don't want to kill anyone. I don't like bullies. I don't care where they came from." That became his motivation and Dr. Erskine was impressed that led him to say "No matter what happens tomorrow, you have to promise me one thing... that you must stay who you are. Not a perfect soldier, but a good man." Yes, the experiment was a success yet with a great price: the man who inspired him was killed. So he made his own resolve.

So it's really sad that some people call Captain America lame just because he wields a shield and he wears a flag costume, being a walking propaganda trying to say that "America is the best country!" He's not like that. He lived in the WWII era, fighting Nazis and even the Red Skull, his archenemy. After 70 years of suspended animation when he woke up, he still has his biggest struggle: living in the modern world. Yet he also succeeded in coping up with it. TBH, Cap never fought for America (the present nation) anymore; he fights for freedom, justice, and liberty, principles that laid the foundation of America that many have forgotten. That's why he said: "I'm no loyal to anything, General. Except THE DREAM." No wonder why he's in odds with Iron Man in the "Civil War" storyline. And the rest, you can put it up.

Can't wait to see Iron Man 3. It's more like a character arc for Tony Stark. It was based from the "Extremis" storyline, but the biggest part of that film is his own dilemma. Everything was changed for him after "The Avengers" and one question troubles him: 'what makes me a hero? My suit? Or myself?' So Steve was right about it. When it comes being a hero, it's not about what you do. It's about who you are inside. And the one who can determine your actions is yourself, not everyone else.
 
TWOxACROSS said:
I can only imagine how many great stories you missed out on because of that obtuse way of seeing stories and characters :/

I'm done here, you're depressing me :/
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And you're just outright offending me.

In fact, almost every person who has responded to me has. I'll just keep my mouth shut because now I'm just getting angry.
 
Sorry for the double post.

Now on Superman. I thought he was bland because of his powers and he's an alien, but there was also depth for Supes since he's the basis of all superheroes. And I'm starting to love him when I dig deeper in the character. Even Jor-El, his father said:

"Live as one of them, Kal-El, to discover where your strength and your power are needed. Always hold in your heart the pride of your special heritage. They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you... my only son."

Here's some quotes from Man Of Steel. Here's from Jonathan Kent:

"You're not just anyone. One day, you're going to have to make a choice. You'll have to decide what kind of man you want to grow up to be. Whoever that man is, good character or bad, he's going to change the world."


And here's from Jor-El:

"What if a child dreamed of becoming something other than what society had intended? What if a child aspired to something greater?"

"You will give the people an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders."

So Paexie was right that Clark was given a choice, not only from his foster parents but also to his biological parents. So he has his powers, yes. But what if he decides to live a normal life and never uses his powers for greater purpose? Honestly, I have my worries on Man of Steel because they use the New 52 Superman as a basis. Zack Synder and Christopher Nolan were great, but I thought at first that they will ruin the Superman mythos by making him a darker, emo character. Good thing that my worries are gone after watching the 2nd trailer. It seems that it's more like a character arc for Supes. The New 52 Supes is more like an arrogant douche. That is not what Superman is all about. Superman is all about HOPE. Superman was meant to inspire people, not to solve problems for us. Clark Kent was always supposed to be Superman's social conscience. Supes once said: "We're not meant to solve humanity's problems- were here to catch them when they fall."

So there are my views. That's why the character's past is also important for character growth. And I fully agree on the Stark-Dante comparison.
 
YamatoWielder said:
YES! YES! I fully agree! :D
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THANK YOU! THANK YOU THANK YOU! This is EXACTLY why as a kid, and even to this day, Cap is STILL in my top three heroes of comics! I'm gonn'a get blasted, but I have to say it; in the purest sense of the term, while Dante does heroic things, he's NOT a hero character since a lot of his motivations are very selfish(revenge, money, self-glory).
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Paexie said:
Sorry if everyone here has given you the pamphlet/flyer/how to book on understanding background importance.
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It's really no problem and I really do understand where they are coming from. I'm just getting annoyed that they don't think that I understand all that.
 
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