Ninja Theory on Why Dante is Such a “Dickhead”

[8BitHero]

Are we really back onto the topic of the HAIR, Ninja Theory? I thought you had matured by now.

But really guys. Yes, we want to play as a Dante who isn't an asshole from the BEGINNING of the game. I don't want to start to like a character, just for the game to immediately end as soon as I do. I don't want to see him bare resemblance to original Dante, just to see the game end as soon as he does.

I could give less of a **** about story if the character I'm playing as is an unlikable ****.

Do you not think that maybe that is his character. Like I mentioned before. I really dislike Lighting from Final Fantasy XIII. But that's because she was developed to have that attitude. Same with Dante. At least Dante has something going for him than characters like Gordan Freeman or Samus who were silent heroes. The dialogue that I've seen from this newDante and whiteHairDante is easily comparable.

He has one liners, a no BS attitude and quick comebacks. When didn't Dante have this?

 

[mrrandomlulz]

Do you not think that maybe that is his character. Like I mentioned before. I really dislike Lighting from Final Fantasy XIII. But that's because she was developed to have that attitude. Same with Dante. At least Dante has something going for him than characters like Gordan Freeman or Samus who were silent heroes. The dialogue that I've seen from this newDante and whiteHairDante is easily comparable.

He has one liners, a no BS attitude and quick comebacks. When didn't Dante have this?

Because Old Dante's one liners came off as fun loving and just living on the edge.

New Dante just act's like a dick any chance he gets and so far the only quotable DECENT line he has made is "I'm your prom date you ugly sack of ****!"

 

[8BitHero]

Because Old Dante's one liners came off as fun loving and just living on the edge.

True. I see the difference now in parts of the dialogue. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, the only times I've seen Dante swear is at people he doesn't like. Doesn't swear at the Camera(demo), to Vergil or Kat and when he meets with Kat he's not an arse. Just the ugly lookin' boss. Showing them no respect that you would to foul monster. It's just different levels of taunting banter really. Really, should be mature enough to handle a few "eff offs" now though. Also falls into my point before, he's just developed to be that character and then I do see why he is unlikable. I mean heck, when you buy an 18 rated game, you get 18 rated content.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Because Old Dante's one liners came off as fun loving and just living on the edge.

New Dante just act's like a **** any chance he gets and so far the only quotable DECENT line he has made is "I'm your prom date you ugly sack of ****!"

There were a lot of other ones, actually, like him running around the Viritlity factory getting attacked and just yelling "Can you guys point me in the direction of the distillery" or...whatever his destination was. It was in the that Chinese Virility factory gameplay on here.

There are quite a few moments when he's cheeky and fun-loving, they've just chosen to emphasize some of the more dickish moments more :/

 

[TWOxACROSS]

True. I see the difference now in parts of the dialogue. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, the only times I've seen Dante swear is at people he doesn't like. Doesn't swear at the Camera(demo), to Vergil or Kat and when he meets with Kat he's not an arse. Just the ugly lookin' boss. Showing them no respect that you would to foul monster. It's just different levels of taunting banter really. Really, should be mature enough to handle a few "eff offs" now though. Also falls into my point before, he's just developed to be that character and then I do see why he is unlikable. I mean heck, when you buy an 18 rated game, you get 18 rated content.

That is one important to note, Dante really only matched Poison's vulgarity, otherwise he's not such a cuss-bucket.

 

[Railazel]

This is one of those case where I wish the devs didn't say anything about the changes they made to a character. It's bad enough that they changed the character, it's worse when they try to justify it by speaking of "character progression." I want the character to justify himself. I don't want to be told of how painful his background is, I want to be a part of it so that I can experience it for myself. I already think that he's a straight- up douche (I've warmed up to him though) and, to me, a person's background doesn't give them an excuse for their attitudes today. So, if the devs really want fans like me to like Dante, they just need to give us a reason to like him. So far, I like those moments where he feels the need to help other people like when those poor souls were being tortured in the upside- down city level.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I'd blame that on all the people who wanted to know "why they ruined the character" and then having to explain to them that things have a specific purpose.

But, I have to completely disagree with your thoughts on a person's background not giving them excuses for their current attitude. While it's not a direct correlation that gives them a free pass, like "Sorry I punched you, I was beaten as a child," the background plays an important part in a person's personality later in life. It may seem like a ****ty justification for why Dante is a bit more of a jackass, but it still plays into his background, and that tortured past makes him feel the need for a hedonistic lifestyle, and one where he doesn't care about anyone but himself. He doesn't feel he's going to be around for much longer, so he indulges in his excesses and doesn't try to make lasting connections.

You can't look at it as "his tortured past gives him a right to be a douchebag sometimes," because that's just not logically how it was written. It's moreso "his tortured past results in him being a douchebag sometimes." Don't focus on it being some sort of right he's given, but flaw that he will grow out of as the story progresses.

Even certain things that seem dickish in trailers may have been taken out of context, too.

 

[Paexie]

This is one of those case where I wish the devs didn't say anything about the changes they made to a character. It's bad enough that they changed the character, it's worse when they try to justify it by speaking of "character progression." I want the character to justify himself. I don't want to be told of how painful his background is, I want to be a part of it so that I can experience it for myself. I already think that he's a straighttp://devilmaycry.org/community/threads/ninja-theory-on-why-dante-is-such-a-%E2%80%9C-%E2%80%9D.13356/reply?quote=407056ht- up douche (I've warmed up to him though) and, to me, a person's background doesn't give them an excuse for their attitudes today. So, if the devs really want fans like me to like Dante, they just need to give us a reason to like him. So far, I like those moments where he feels the need to help other people like when those poor souls were being tortured in the upside- down city level.

I really disagree there. If Batman's parents didn't die, would he still become that crime fighter? If Uncle Ben didn't tell Peter to do what's right would he really stop using his powers for his own gain?

It doesn't give him an excuse, but it gives him reasons for being that way.

Things that are in the past DO shape you up to the person you are today. No one is a douche bag from day 1. No one is selfless unless taught to be that way. Dante has no moral guardian, dude.

He is completely alone and constantly dealing with bigger asshats in Limbo. Who wouldn't be ****ed off after 15+ years of that?

We need the whole story first man. The devs can only tell you that there is "character progression"; they can't spoil you the whole story!

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I wanna Like that more, Paexie. Once isn't enough.

 

[nightrunner_ks]

Because Old Dante's one liners came off as fun loving and just living on the edge.

New Dante just act's like a **** any chance he gets and so far the only quotable DECENT line he has made is "I'm your prom date you ugly sack of ****!"

When did a ****ing brony get the privilege to discuss one liners and dialogue in games?

 

[Razyel]

I really disagree there. If Batman's parents didn't die, would he still become that crime fighter? If Uncle Ben didn't tell Peter to do what's right would he really stop using his powers for his own gain?

It doesn't give him an excuse, but it gives him reasons for being that way.

Things that are in the past DO shape you up to the person you are today. No one is a douche bag from day 1. No one is selfless unless taught to be that way. Dante has no moral guardian, dude.

He is completely alone and constantly dealing with bigger asshats in Limbo. Who wouldn't be ****ed off after 15+ years of that?

We need the whole story first man. The devs can only tell you that there is "character progression"; they can't spoil you the whole story!

I like it when we talk about comic book heroes, don't forget what would have happened if the Kents wouldn't have found Kal-El

 

[Tosto]

This is one of the few places I can come and have/read constructive convos about DmC. Everywhere else is just drowning in negativity towards the game. Thank god for this place.

After putting their blood sweat and tears into this game, the least DMC fans can do is respect the hard word done by Ninja Theory. People complain about the dialogue, the art direction and the combat system to no end that when ever I'm watching or reading something and that comes up, it just makes me wanna stop. Maybe I'm just an idiot and I have no idea what a good game is, but I love what NT has done with this game. I love the Old DMCs as much as anyone here on this site and I can appreciate a good game, story and art design when I see it. It's not gonna be perfect but which DMC game ever was?

 

[TWOxACROSS]

You're not an idiot. The game has garnered a lot of indignation and vitriol for people flying off the handle before all the facts were in, claiming the series is completely ruined somehow. They contrive new ways to be upset at the game and the people making it, and what little constructive criticism there is for the game is blown way out of proportion, and often thrown at the developer's face as if what's wrong with the game hyperbolically ruins it.

NT made a wonderful game with some interesting concepts all mashed together, and I can't wait to play it.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

I'm gonn'a be fair and honest; I was one of the people crying foul at the 2010 teaser, because it had felt like change for the sake of NT saying "we'll, this is better because we say so, the Dante you all said you like, we say isn't cool enough for you, and you don't know what you want." Again, that's because at the time, what we saw was such a horrifying radical departure from what we're come to love. Over the past two years, we've seen evolution of the game and it's design, and with more information given as to what's been going on, those of us who are in it for the fun and love of the series are starting to embrace this, not as a replacement for what we love, but a second branch, another look at the concepts of DMC. The way I am looking at it is the way you're supposed to look at, say, Classic Star Trek and 2009's Rebooted alternate timeline; they both exist alonge side each other, not erasing one or the other.

I'm excited. The game looks fun, the more of the new interpritation of the twins I see, the more I wann'a know them, get in their heads, and see where this reimagining goes.

 

[Breaking8ad]

I really disagree there. If Batman's parents didn't die, would he still become that crime fighter? If Uncle Ben didn't tell Peter to do what's right would he really stop using his powers for his own gain?

It doesn't give him an excuse, but it gives him reasons for being that way.

Things that are in the past DO shape you up to the person you are today. No one is a douche bag from day 1. No one is selfless unless taught to be that way. Dante has no moral guardian, dude.

He is completely alone and constantly dealing with bigger asshats in Limbo. Who wouldn't be ****ed off after 15+ years of that?

We need the whole story first man. The devs can only tell you that there is "character progression"; they can't spoil you the whole story!

This is what I like about this game. I actually get to learn about Dante more than I ever have, why he has a grudge against demons and feels the need to hunt them, beyond demons just killing his parents. He has more of a reason now than just that and reflects on his life as a youth more than ever before giving us a deeper back story.

Kind of like Batman Begins compared to Time Burton's Batman.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

When did a ******* brony get the privilege to discuss one liners and dialogue in games?

Love and tolerate

 

[Zarathustra]

When did a ******* brony get the privilege to discuss one liners and dialogue in games?

Either keep the flaming/hate to yourself, or take it up with him in a private conversation. Otherwise, PLEASE stay on topic.

In other news, I keep to my optimistic views on the new game. I look forward to it, and happen to like this Dante's personality. Besides, even with the obvious hate-filled answer this may draw: Why the **** not?

 

[Railazel]

I'd blame that on all the people who wanted to know "why they ruined the character" and then having to explain to them that things have a specific purpose.

But, I have to completely disagree with your thoughts on a person's background not giving them excuses for their current attitude. While it's not a direct correlation that gives them a free pass, like "Sorry I punched you, I was beaten as a child," the background plays an important part in a person's personality later in life. It may seem like a ****ty justification for why Dante is a bit more of a jackass, but it still plays into his background, and that tortured past makes him feel the need for a hedonistic lifestyle, and one where he doesn't care about anyone but himself. He doesn't feel he's going to be around for much longer, so he indulges in his excesses and doesn't try to make lasting connections.

You can't look at it as "his tortured past gives him a right to be a douchebag sometimes," because that's just not logically how it was written. It's moreso "his tortured past results in him being a douchebag sometimes." Don't focus on it being some sort of right he's given, but flaw that he will grow out of as the story progresses.

Even certain things that seem dickish in trailers may have been taken out of context, too.

It doesn't give him an excuse, but it gives him reasons for being that way.

Things that are in the past DO shape you up to the person you are today.

But I don't care about what a person did in the past. I care for what they are today and what they are going to do in the future whether they are real people or comic book characters. I don't care whether my friend grew up with very liberal and lenient parents, that doesn't justify him not respecting them or other people and authority. I don't care whether Batman's parents died or not because I don't care for the reasons for his actions, all I want to know is whether he is a hero now and whether he will remain a hero in the future and I want to know whether his actions will reflect that. I judge a person based on who they are, not what they were. What happened yesterday is yesterday's problem.

So, with Dante, telling me about his background isn't doing him any favors considering that I'm not caring about his past (especially since his backstory is the same as pretty much every other revenge character out there). What I want to see is the kind of man he is today and whether he'll grow up to be someone better in the future. It's the reason why I like Superman and Iron Man. Their pasts aren't a relevant factor in their lives, they do what they do because it is right and needs to be done. I just want to see whether Dante grows up to be a better person, that's all.

 

[8BitHero]

But I don't care about what a person did in the past. I care for what they are today and what they are going to do in the future whether they are real people or comic book characters. I don't care whether my friend grew up with very liberal and lenient parents, that doesn't justify him not respecting them or other people and authority. I don't care whether Batman's parents died or not because I don't care for the reasons for his actions, all I want to know is whether he is a hero now and whether he will remain a hero in the future and I want to know whether his actions will reflect that. I judge a person based on who they are, not what they were. What happened yesterday is yesterday's problem.

So, with Dante, telling me about his background isn't doing him any favors considering that I'm not caring about his past (especially since his backstory is the same as pretty much every other revenge character out there). What I want to see is the kind of man he is today and whether he'll grow up to be someone better in the future. It's the reason why I like Superman and Iron Man. Their pasts aren't a relevant factor in their lives, they do what they do because it is right and needs to be done. I just want to see whether Dante grows up to be a better person, that's all.

But Dante has never played the hero and this new Dante isn't a hero either. Batman has always never been a hero in comics He's a vilgilante. He's falls in line with the anti-hero role like Batman or Travis Touchdown. Being the super loyal "fight-for-justice" characters like Superman are different than anti-heroes.

Knowing his background IS important because it gives you a reference/reason to understand that character more other than pretending to be cool. You could ask him the question, "why are you so ****ed off at the world" and you'd get a decent response. Your upbringing is important. Superman had an upbringing of finding out who he is but also to protect. Dante had an upbringing of being called a terrorist on TV.

Dante is just like Batman, getting rid of Demons/Criminals while being demoralised in the process by The Police Force/TV

 

[Railazel]

But Dante has never played the hero and this new Dante isn't a hero either.

Yeah he has. His sole mission in DMC 1 was to get rid of the evil of demons. Dante in DMC 3 also turned to the hero role when he realized how important it was to prevent his brother from re- opening Temen- Ni- Gru.

Knowing his background IS important because it gives you a reference/reason to understand that character more other than pretending to be cool.

It isn't important to me.