Misconceptions about Sparda.

[Innsmouth]

Vergil and Dante were split up and sent to different orphanages, and Vergil was lucky enough to be taken in by affluent family.

I'd imagine that a demonic matron wasn't there when Dante was originally brought in, either. People change jobs all the time, and Dante might have been okay if he hadn't always lashed out like he does.

It was claimed she was "old lady". So he was probably 2-3 years at most in that orphanage. That does seems likely inconvincing that she "suddenly" appeared in there. beside this proves it was demon orphanage from the beginning:

There's little reason to assume that Dante and Vergil are exact clones of Sparda. They are the genetic product of two parents, and we don't see Sparda's face to begin with

I mean, Mundus knows how Dante looks, how comes it never occurred to him that Vergil is his brother.

 

[Loopy]

It was claimed she was "old lady". So he was probably 2-3 years at most in that orphanage.

Vergil says they had no memory before age 7, found out later to be done by Sparda, so presumably that was when they were sent to ophanages.

I mean, Mundus knows how Dante looks, how comes it never occurred to him that Vergil is his brother.

It's not like they are clones of each other, or maybe even identical twins. They have differences, enough to throw Mundus off if he ever saw Vergil's face.

Besides, Vergil keeps himself secret. Even when he makes videos, he wears a mask. The most Mundus knew was Vergil's name, and that was only because Kat was interrogated. Mundus had never seen Vergil's face at all at that point in the game and so he couldn't know that Vergil had anything to do with Dante or Sparda. He only finds out at the last moment just before the boss fight.

 

[Innsmouth]

Vergil says they had no memory before age 7, found out later to be done by Sparda, so presumably that was when they were sent to ophanages.

I don't remember, there was something about Dante who killed his first demon at the age of nine. So it means he spent about 2 years in orphanage.

 

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Dante and Vergil were 7 when their parents died, not toddlers. Training at a young age isn't impractical since kids take up martial arts at about and even younger than Dante's age. And if he was concerned about keeping secrets, why send them off to two different, potentially unsafe places instead of a place where their secret would be safe or why wasn't he worried about them remembering prematurely?

And again that goes back to what kind of polyarchy the demons had, assuming that they had one.

It is in Dante's flashback scenes when he gets to his old house. The scene shows human SWAT and not that many of them; no demons were involved in the attack.

Well he is depicted training with Vergil. Which would explain why he seems to use Rebellion the best.

The demons do have a polyarchy and Vergil says Mundus rose through the ranks to rule over the demonic hordes and that Sparda was his right hand man.

Well he did, or tried to. Sparda sent them to two orphanages he didn't think were run by demons. But wiped their memories just incase.

If that's true then why does the game show dreamrunners holding back Dante and Sparda?

 

[Sunaka Marién]

It was claimed she was "old lady". So he was probably 2-3 years at most in that orphanage. That does seems likely inconvincing that she "suddenly" appeared in there. beside this proves it was demon orphanage from the beginning:

Actually, that picture doesn't proove that the orphanage was demonic from the beginning; it's more of a metaphorical thing, just like that picture where young Dante holds Eva's dead body while the two of them are sourrounded be angels, because, seeing how Eva was an outcast among angels, it's pretty unlikely that any angels actually came down to earth to mourn her death.

I mean, Mundus knows how Dante looks, how comes it never occurred to him that Vergil is his brother.

It was stated in the Vergil comic that Mundus did indeed not know what Dante looked like until Vergil and Kat went to Hellfire and let it slip that their former inmate Dante really was the Son of Sparda. But then again I'd take everything stated in that comic with a grain of salt since it contradicts some things represented in the game or other official media connected to it. Either way we can safely assume that Mundus didn't really know what Dante looked like.

Dante and Vergil were 7 when their parents died, not toddlers. Training at a young age isn't impractical since kids take up martial arts at about and even younger than Dante's age.

As Malik already stated, they were most likely trained, as we see them play-fighting with swords, so it isn't far fetched to assume that they also recieved proper training.

And if he was concerned about keeping secrets, why send them off to two different, potentially unsafe places instead of a place where their secret would be safe or why wasn't he worried about them remembering prematurely?

Mundus' and his henchmen just broke into their house, which probably both Sparda and Eva asssumed to be a safe place, Eva had just been killed and Sparda probably just barely managed to get Dante & Vergil into safety, not to mention that they probably still had Mundus hunting them. So do you really think Sparda had the time to think of a place even safer then their previous home? I believe it is highly unlikely that such a place even existed, given that both Sparda and Eva were seen as traitors to their kind. So what other options did he have besides dropping his kids at an orphanage? It was the safets place he could find.
Also, I'm pretty sure he was worried about them remembering prematurely, but there really wasn't anything else he could have done, given that he had to act fast. He tried his best by erasing their momories.

It is in Dante's flashback scenes when he gets to his old house. The scene shows human SWAT and not that many of them; no demons were involved in the attack.

I think you're mixing things up here, there weren't any SWAT teams in that scene <:/ And Dante clearly states "The Demons found us. When they broke in, I saw him (Mundus)".
Edit: Wait, you're talking about the attack on the Order HQ, aren't you? Just beacause there were SWAT members Dante couln't do anything about, doesn't mean that there aren't any SWAT members that also happen to be demons (Kat stated that the demons are amongst humans in the game, and in an earlier trailer Dante stated that there are demons "on every level of society", and, as Loopy said, in the comic the Police forces were clearly depicted as being demons). It is also debatable whether or not Dante might be inable to do anything about any demons as long as they are in their human vessel and unconnected to Limbo.

 

[Loopy]

I don't remember, there was something about Dante who killed his first demon at the age of nine. So it means he spent about 2 years in orphanage.

Direct quote from the game courtesy of Bob Barbas:
'At age 8, he attacked and killed the head nurse at St Lamia orphanage.'

Unless there was anything beofre that, then age 8 was the first time Dante killed demon.

Then Dante did this:
'Between the ages of eleven and fifteen he broke out of no less than eight youth detention facilities.'

So they kept hunting him down, dragging him back, and Dante kept fighting back and escaping. There's no information about what he did at age 9. But it can be assumed by what Barbas said that he stayed in the orphanage till age 8, maybe broke out, got caught and put in a youth detention facility, and then escaped from those too.

 

[Railazel]

Actually, that picture doesn't proove that the orphanage was demonic from the beginning; it's more of a metaphorical thing, just like that picture where young Dante holds Eva's dead body while the two of them are sourrounded be angels, because, seeing how Eva was an outcast among angels, it's pretty unlikely that any angels actually came down to earth to mourn her death.


It was stated in the Vergil comic that Mundus did indeed not know what Dante looked like until Vergil and Kat went to Hellfire and let it slip that their former inmate Dante really was the Son of Sparda. But then again I'd take everything stated in that comic with a grain of salt since it contradicts some things represented in the game or other official media connected to it. Either way we can safely assume that Mundus didn't really know what Dante looked like.


As Malik already stated, they were most likely trained, as we see them play-fighting with swords, so it isn't far fetched to assume that they also recieved proper training.


Mundus' and his henchmen just broke into their house, which probably both Sparda and Eva asssumed to be a safe place, Eva had just been killed and Sparda probably just barely managed to get Dante & Vergil into safety, not to mention that they probably still had Mundus hunting them. So do you really think Sparda had the time to think of a place even safer then their previous home? I believe it is highly unlikely that such a place even existed, given that both Sparda and Eva were seen as traitors to their kind. So what other options did he have besides dropping his kids at an orphanage? It was the safets place he could find.
Also, I'm pretty sure he was worried about them remembering prematurely, but there really wasn't anything else he could have done, given that he had to act fast. He tried his best by erasing their momories.


I think you're mixing things up here, there weren't any SWAT teams in that scene <:/ And Dante clearly states "The Demons found us. When they broke in, I saw him (Mundus)".
Edit: Wait, you're talking about the attack on the Order HQ, aren't you? Just beacause there were SWAT members Dante couln't do anything about, doesn't mean that there aren't any SWAT members that also happen to be demons (Kat stated that the demons are amongst humans in the game, and in an earlier trailer Dante stated that there are demons "on every level of society", and, as Loopy said, in the comic the Police forces were clearly depicted as being demons). It is also debatable whether or not Dante might be inable to do anything about any demons as long as they are in their human vessel and unconnected to Limbo.

In Home Truths, Dante has a series of flashbacks in the form of holographic images. In one of those visions, he sees his mother run from what sounds like the voices of the SWAT team. There are no evidences within Home Truths that suggest an army of demons had attacked the house neither does the game make any notion that the SWAT team are demons. The possibility of humans being demons is just that- a possibility. While it is a fact in the game that demons can become humans and that humans can be influenced by demons, there is no canon source saying vice versa. When Dante (or anyone for that matter) says that the demons had found them, they are talking about the government of the city, not necessarily the demons that are attacking them (although they are within that camp). So although it was only the SWAT team (I'm excluding any demons in Limbo since seemingly Dante wasn't in Limbo at the time of the attack), it can still be said that the demons found them.

The Chronicles of Vergil isn't a good source for canonical information since the game never makes any connection between itself and the comics. To assume there exists a polyarchy in the demon world would demand that one explain why Phineas said that someone had to take Mundus' place or why his heir was of such importance when he already had a group of people to take his place or why the demons elected Vergil as their leader (which wouldn't have been necessary if they already had another one).

Now, on the note of the twins' training, the point of Dante's fighting style is that it isn't trained. Dante loses balance and leaves a lot of openings during his attacks, showing that his style is only that of a "street fighter". The game never mentions him receiving any form of training during his youth (I would like to belive so though because the dude pretty much masters a weapon the moment he holds it in his hand) and playing swords is as evidence of any actual sword practice as pretend wrestling is evidence of two boys being trained how to wrestle.

Dante said that Sparda hid them "safely" among the humans which is true for Vergil but not so much for Dante. If that's any indication, then seemingly Sparda did know places to hide them where they were safe but that's arguable because Dante went through his life being caught by the demons.

And yes I would assume that Sparda had enough time to find places where the twins would be safe because I would believe he would have a plan in case they were found. They had at least seven years to make up escape plans and I'm not going to believe that they didn't think of every possible scenario given how well Sparda knows Mundus and the extent of his power and that they have a huge enough house that they could've filled it with traps and weapons.

 

[Sunaka Marién]

In Home Truths, Dante has a series of flashbacks in the form of holographic images. In one of those visions, he sees his mother run from what sounds like the voices of the SWAT team.

Uh, how about no? There are no such voices :/ The only voices you hear are those of Eva and Sparda. Evidence:

Starts at about 9:20.

There are no evidences within Home Truths that suggest an army of demons had attacked the house

Dude, Malik already told you that in those painted flashbacks you can clearly see a Dreamrunner holding back young Dante, so don't try telling me there weren't any demons involved.

neither does the game make any notion that the SWAT team are demons. The possibility of humans being demons is just that- a possibility.

And that's important because...?

While it is a fact in the game that demons can become humans

That's no where said in the game. The only thing that is mentioned is that demons can have human vessels, however that only means that they are linked to a human body, enabeling them to interact with and wander the human world in a direct way. Having a vessel doesn't make them actual humans per se.

When Dante (or anyone for that matter) says that the demons had found them, they are talking about the government of the city, not necessarily the demons that are attacking them (although they are within that camp). So although it was only the SWAT team (I'm excluding any demons in Limbo since seemingly Dante wasn't in Limbo at the time of the attack), it can still be said that the demons found them.

What are you even talking about? It was CLEARLY said and shown that Mundus marched into their house, and just in case it slipped you, Mundus is no politician or government official, he's just a banker collecting blackmail on government officials wich allows him to have a certain degree of control over them. And again, there was no SWAT team, so saying the government was involved in the attack has no canon basis whatsoever. And how can you tell that Dante wasn't in Limbo at the time of the attack? It is very much possible that he was, even likely given that a Dreamrunner could actually get a hold of him. Furthermore, why would Dante refer to the government as demons in the first place? It makes no sense.

The Chronicles of Vergil isn't a good source for canonical information since the game never makes any connection between itself and the comics.

Eh? I don't really get what you mean. Like, would you have wanted the game to say "Btw, there's a comic that is canon to the story, be sure to check it out!"? It was officially published and lisenced, so unless Capcom makes an official press statement and declares it to be non-canon, what is being shown in the comic is very well canon.

To assume there exists a polyarchy in the demon world would demand that one explain why Phineas said that someone had to take Mundus' place or why his heir was of such importance when he already had a group of people to take his place or why the demons elected Vergil as their leader (which wouldn't have been necessary if they already had another one).

1. Why a replacement for Mundus was needed: To keep the balance, I'd assume.
2. Why his heir was of such importance: It is possible that there wasn't even that great of an importance to him, but that Mundus simply wanted an heir; be it out of boredom or as a just-in-case thing.
3. A group of people to take over for Mundus: Now where did you get that from? It is quite possible that there literally wasn't anyone suited for the job, which leads to our next point:
4. Why Vergil?: Maybe he was the only one that was powerful enough and willing to take over?

Now, on the note of the twins' training, the point of Dante's fighting style is that it isn't trained. Dante loses balance and leaves a lot of openings during his attacks, showing that his style is only that of a "street fighter". The game never mentions him receiving any form of training during his youth (I would like to belive so though because the dude pretty much masters a weapon the moment he holds it in his hand) and playing swords is as evidence of any actual sword practice as wrestling is evidence of two boys being trained how to wrestle.

He was 7 when he could have recieved his last potential training session. 7. When can you start training a kid? When it's 5, maybe? I doubt that you can fully master the art of fighting in merely 2 years, unless all you do is train, and I doubt that either Sparda of Eva would have wanted their kid to grow up like that. And then he got his memory erased. So how much of the training he may or may not have recieved would be left?

Dante said that Sparda hid them "safely" among the humans which is true for Vergil but not so much for Dante. If that's any indication, then seemingly Sparda did know places to hide them where they were safe but that's arguable because Dante went through his life being caught by the demons.

Uh, you know, if there would have been a better place then the orphanage then I'm pretty sure Sparda would have brought them there. If anything that indicates that Sparda at the very least thought that he brought them to save places, it just didn't play out so well for Dante. And if you think about it, it really does make sense for Sparda to think so - no-one that isn't a demon would have ever thought that a little boy who looks perfectly human might in fact not be human, and even for the demons it would be difficult to impossible to find out which one of probably thousands of boys at about their age would be the one they're looking for.

And yes I would assume that Sparda had enough time to find places where the twins would be safe because I would believe he would have a plan in case they were found. They had at least seven years to make up escape plans and I'm not going to believe that they didn't think of every possible scenario given how well Sparda knows Mundus and the extent of his power and that they have a huge enough house that they could've filled it with traps and weapons.

Well, if you're listening to what Eva says during Home Truth, especially in what voice she says it - "Sparda! They're here they found us! [...] How did they find us?!" - it seems that they indeed thought that their house was alredy safe enough. Maybe it even was filled whith traps and protective magic and what not, yet they still couldn't make it.
Let's play a little game, shall we? Try to thinkg of a place other than the orphanage that would have been even safer for Sparda to drop his kids at. Keep in mind that Sparda and Eva both were outcasts of their own race. GO!

 

[Railazel]

Uh, how about no? There are no such voices :/ The only voices you hear are those of Eva and Sparda. Evidence:

Starts at about 9:20.


Dude, Malik already told you that in those painted flashbacks you can clearly see a Dreamrunner holding back young Dante, so don't try telling me there weren't any demons involved.


And that's important because...?

That's no where said in the game. The only thing that is mentioned is that demons can have human vessels, however that only means that they are linked to a human body, enabeling them to interact with and wander the human world in a direct way. Having a vessel doesn't make them actual humans per se.


What are you even talking about? It was CLEARLY said and shown that Mundus marched into their house, and just in case it slipped you, Mundus is no politician or government official, he's just a banker collecting blackmail on government officials wich allows him to have a certain degree of control over them. And again, there was no SWAT team, so saying the government was involved in the attack has no canon basis whatsoever. And how can you tell that Dante wasn't in Limbo at the time of the attack? It is very much possible that he was, even likely given that a Dreamrunner could actually get a hold of him. Furthermore, why would Dante refer to the government as demons in the first place? It makes no sense.


Eh? I don't really get what you mean. Like, would you have wanted the game to say "Btw, there's a comic that is canon to the story, be sure to check it out!"? It was officially published and lisenced, so unless Capcom makes an official press statement and declares it to be non-canon, what is being shown in the comic is very well canon.


1. Why a replacement for Mundus was needed: To keep the balance, I'd assume.
2. Why his heir was of such importance: It is possible that there wasn't even that great of an importance to him, but that Mundus simply wanted an heir; be it out of boredom or as a just-in-case thing.
3. A group of people to take over for Mundus: Now where did you get that from? It is quite possible that there literally wasn't anyone suited for the job, which leads to our next point:
4. Why Vergil?: Maybe he was the only one that was powerful enough and willing to take over?


He was 7 when he could have recieved his last potential training session. 7. When can you start training a kid? When it's 5, maybe? I doubt that you can fully master the art of fighting in merely 2 years, unless all you do is train, and I doubt that either Sparda of Eva would have wanted their kid to grow up like that. And then he got his memory erased. So how much of the training he may or may not have recieved would be left?


Uh, you know, if there would have been a better place then the orphanage then I'm pretty sure Sparda would have brought them there. If anything that indicates that Sparda at the very least thought that he brought them to save places, it just didn't play out so well for Dante. And if you think about it, it really does make sense for Sparda to think so - no-one that isn't a demon would have ever thought that a little boy who looks perfectly human might in fact not be human, and even for the demons it would be difficult to impossible to find out which one of probably thousands of boys at about their age would be the one they're looking for.


Well, if you're listening to what Eva says during Home Truth, especially in what voice she says it - "Sparda! They're here they found us! [...] How did they find us?!" - it seems that they indeed thought that their house was alredy safe enough. Maybe it even was filled whith traps and protective magic and what not, yet they still couldn't make it.
Let's play a little game, shall we? Try to thinkg of a place other than the orphanage that would have been even safer for Sparda to drop his kids at. Keep in mind that Sparda and Eva both were outcasts of their own race. GO!

You don't hear Sparda's voice at all in Home Truths, in fact his only appearances are the pictures and in flashbacks but that's because it's suggested that Dante doesn't remember him too well. What you do hear are the voices of the twins, Eva, and their attackers but never Sparda's. You hear the attackers say:

You! Get after her! Down there! Cover the doors! MOVE!

And I'm well aware of the appearance of demons in the painted flashbacks, which is why I'm not disagreeing with that part neither am I disagreeing with the possibility of there being an army of demons, but if the flashbacks are taken literally then seemingly angels were there and they seemingly failed to help (and yet remain completely inactive after that). The game makes it a point that angels have very little to do with the story so it is highly doubtful that they had a presence in the attack. So it can be said that the Dreamrunner in that painting wasn't there (otherwise, why let Dante go and let him escape?). To suggest that a horde of demons were there because Dante's flashbacks merely suggested their participation in the attack is no more truthful than me saying that there was a group of angels that helped because you can see them reaching out to stop Mundus.

Mundus is the only demon to have a vessel but that's to keep him immortal. Sparda, Bob, and Lilith don't have human vessels; Bob is some kind of projection and Lilith is a literal skinbag while Sparda seemingly does have a human form.

And Mundus isn't just a banker. Bankers don't get away with using SWAT (or whoever human force attacked that house) teams neither do they get away with personal homicides unless they have enough money and governmental influence to use those forces and get away with their actions at their whim.

The comic isn't canon unless Capcom and NT say it is. The fact that the comic conflicts the game in some areas and makes things more confusing in others and that the game never makes a reference to any of the events in the comic puts the comic on the level of being extra media rather than a legit part of canon. It is pretty much in the same boat as the DMC novels.

1. What balance?
2. Then he wouldn't have gotten mad about it.
3. And you would know that how?
4. The reason why Vergil was chosen is up to anyone's guess really but in the idea of their being other kings, Vergil's sudden election on whatever basis the demons had in choosing him would've created a political struggle (assuming demons have those).

Actually, one of the youngest kids to earn a black belt was 5 years old. His name was Joshua Bishop. There's a video called Shaolin Kid Power with two kids (at least 6 years old) training in Shaolin kungfu already displaying immense flexibility and strength. It can be assumed that since Dante and Vergil are supernatural hybrids, they can both reach high martial arts levels by the age of 7. And martial arts is dependent on muscle memory, so Dante wouldn't have needed to remember his training.

But the problem is that they were able to tell. Mundus knew that Sparda had a son and, low and behold, there happens to be a kid who could see demons and summon a sword to fight them.

Because I don't like the tone of

Let's play a little game, shall we?

I'm not going to take you up on that offer. Eva wasn't asserting that the house was the safest spot for them (that would be a ridiculous thought for fugitives) but that they thought their tracks were cleared. The house wasn't rigged with any traps or else all of them somehow failed and the only two weapons that were in the house were Arbiter and Osiris. Any other evidence of traps, magic, weapons, etc., are either nonexistent or Dante just missed them all. Really, it is not fair for me to say that those things didn't exist since there's no proof of that. However, the only way I can see the entire event playing the way it did is if they had just moved into the house and didn't have time to make the proper preparations for in the case they were caught.

 

[Sunaka Marién]

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Oh, I always misheard that as Sparda talking to Dante, along the lines of "Dante, come over here, go away from the doors, move!". Oh well, that a SWAT team really was there still doesn't proove that there weren't any demons attacking aswell or that there were no SWAT team members that were demons themselfes. Actually, it seems rather unlikely that there weren't any demons at the very least breaking in form Limbo, just like they did with the The Order raid, bec ause then Spareda could have simply transfered himself and his sons to Limbo and the SWAT could have done nothing at all. But the original problem wasn't that, but wether Mundus had an army of demons or not, wasn't it? And I still say yes he does, simply based on the fact that he did send demons to attack The Order.

And I'm well aware of the appearance of demons in the painted flashbacks, which is why I'm not disagreeing with that part neither am I disagreeing with the possibility of there being an army of demons, but if the flashbacks are taken literally then seemingly angels were there and they seemingly failed to help (and yet remain completely inactive after that). The game makes it a point that angels have very little to do with the story so it is highly doubtful that they had a presence in the attack. So it can be said that the Dreamrunner in that painting wasn't there (otherwise, why let Dante go and let him escape?). To suggest that a horde of demons were there because Dante's flashbacks merely suggested their participation in the attack is no more truthful than me saying that there was a group of angels that helped because you can see them reaching out to stop Mundus.

I know I'm repeating myself, but Dante explictly mentioned the demons in his falshback. Blurred memory or not, he wouldn't have refered to a SWAT team as demons. Also on why the Dreamrunner would let him go, well, Sparda might have just intervened, but was to late to save Eva aswell. Of course this is also only a theory, but it can be easily explained and is a more likely thing to happen than Angels being there even though Eva is an outcast.

Mundus is the only demon to have a vessel but that's to keep him immortal. Sparda, Bob, and Lilith don't have human vessels; Bob is some kind of projection and Lilith is a literal skinbag while Sparda seemingly does have a human form.

The way I understand it, Mundus' vessel isn't in any way a requirement for him to be immortal, that's more linked to the Hellgate (Vergil: "While he's connected to the hellgate, he's immortal") and potentially to a demon's overall long lifespan; if anything then being in a vessel is a disatvantage, because it's "kill the vessel, kill the demon posessing it".
It was never stated that Mundus is the only one to have a vessel. Lilith's 'skinbag' might aswell be a vessel, maybe she just can't keep it toghether very well due to her pragnancy taking too much of her energy or due to some other factors we are not aware of. I don't see why Bob's human body should not be a vessel, the way I see it is that it is indeed a vessel and that he is projecting himself into Limbo, rather than the human world. What further supports this theory is that Dante had to actually shoot his human form through what seems to be some kind of rift to really kill him. It was never stated that Sparda really had a human form, so that might have been a vessel aswell. Then there are St. Lamia's head nurse and Kat's fosterfather, both demons which I'm pretty sure of had a vessel aswell, because otherwise it would be pretty wierd for them to be able to carry out their jobs.

And Mundus isn't just a banker. Bankers don't get away with using SWAT (or whoever human force attacked that house) teams neither do they get away with personal homicides unless they have enough money and governmental influence to use those forces and get away with their actions at their whim.

That's pretty much exactly what I said :/ Just that I said he was collecting blackmail, which might have been the wrong word to use, I dunno.

The comic isn't canon unless Capcom and NT say it is. The fact that the comic conflicts the game in some areas and makes things more confusing in others and that the game never makes a reference to any of the events in the comic puts the comic on the level of being extra media rather than a legit part of canon. It is pretty much in the same boat as the DMC novels.

Capcom already basically said that the comic is canon by giving them the ok to produce that thing; the fact that it conflicts the game is less a thing of it not being canon, but more of a problem of either bad writing and not really caring on the writers part or of bad communication between NT and the writer. Also the game does make a reference to Vergil helping Kat killing her fosterfather. The DMC novels were written as part of legitimate canon at the time they were initially released though, so I don't see why this shouldn't be the case with the Vergil comic.

1. What balance?
2. Then he wouldn't have gotten mad about it.
3. And you would know that how?
4. The reason why Vergil was chosen is up to anyone's guess really but in the idea of their being other kings, Vergil's sudden election on whatever basis the demons had in choosing him would've created a political struggle (assuming demons have those).

1. Power balance. You know, if there really are multiple Demon Kings of any sort, then their influence on the demon world is split among them to some degree, so if one of them was to be unavailable, that balance would be disrupted, so they'd either have to find a new king or somehow assign properties of that now empty spot to the remaining kings.
2. Mundus thinks so highly of himself, of course he would get mad if you were to kill his heir so easily, he'd feel personally insulted.
3. You stated that there were other people to take over as if it were a fact, and I simply said that this cannot be said with certainty and gave a counterexample.
4. Assuming that Sparda really was a King, that'd make Vergil a prince, and after prooving to be on the demon side now, he might have gained the right to become a King. That way there wouldn't be any political problems.

Actually, one of the youngest kids to earn a black belt was 5 years old. His name was Joshua Bishop. There's a video called Shaolin Kid Power with two kids (at least 6 years old) training in Shaolin kungfu already displaying immense flexibility and strength. It can be assumed that since Dante and Vergil are supernatural hybrids, they can both reach high martial arts levels by the age of 7. And martial arts is dependent on muscle memory, so Dante wouldn't have needed to remember his training.

That's quite something for sure. However that kid was trained by a professional Karate Master, and probably underwent some pretty intense training, whereas Sparda might be an excellent swordfighter, but that does not mean he is equally talented in training someone in that art. Then there is also how often they trained and how strict Sparda and/or Eva were with the training. It is quite possible that they wanted to give their kids the chance to grow up in the most normal way possible. And then there is still the possibilty that Dante simply didn't take his training very seriously and would rather fool around. Either way, we cannot tell for sure if they were ever trained or not.

But the problem is that they were able to tell. Mundus knew that Sparda had a son and, low and behold, there happens to be a kid who could see demons and summon a sword to fight them.

We know that there are humans that can see demons, and by other humans this would simply be dissmissed as a child's active imagination. And that was the plan, drop him somewhere among humans and let them believe he likes making up stories about demons. The only problem was that something happened that Sparda had no contol over (or simply overlooked, which seems... odd): The head nures being a demon. Had she been just a normal lady, noone would have suspected anything and Dante wouldn't have had to summon his sword in the first place, and might have stayed long enough to get adopted into a nice family.

Because I don't like the tone of

Sorry if that came of as rude, that wasn't my intention.

Eva wasn't asserting that the house was the safest spot for them (that would be a ridiculous thought for fugitives) but that they thought their tracks were cleared.

Didn't think about it like that, but yeah, that's certaily possible.

 

[Innsmouth]

Actually, that picture doesn't proove that the orphanage was demonic from the beginning; it's more of a metaphorical thing, just like that picture where young Dante holds Eva's dead body while the two of them are sourrounded be angels, because, seeing how Eva was an outcast among angels, it's pretty unlikely that any angels actually came down to earth to mourn her death.

So...thanks to references it was pretty much clear that headnurse was demon from the beginning, since he killed her after 2 years in orphanage.

Mundus' and his henchmen just broke into their house, which probably both Sparda and Eva asssumed to be a safe place, Eva had just been killed and Sparda probably just barely managed to get Dante & Vergil into safety, not to mention that they probably still had Mundus hunting them. So do you really think Sparda had the time to think of a place even safer then their previous home? I believe it is highly unlikely that such a place even existed, given that both Sparda and Eva were seen as traitors to their kind. So what other options did he have besides dropping his kids at an orphanage? It was the safets place he could find.
Also, I'm pretty sure he was worried about them remembering prematurely, but there really wasn't anything else he could have done, given that he had to act fast. He tried his best by erasing their momories..

So dumping 6 years-old kid in demonic orphanage is safe....ooookaaay.......

 

[Sunaka Marién]

So...thanks to references it was pretty much clear that headnurse was demon from the beginning, since he killed her after 2 years in orphanage.

I'm sorry, but what references do you mean? It is quite possible that they had a different headnurse when Sparda dumped Dante at the orphanage, which was exchanged a few months later with the one that was a demon. Just because that demon had a vessel of an old lady doesn't mean that she had to be at that exact orphanage from the beginning, because even old people can change their working places. Alternatively it is also possible that the headnurse did stay "the same", just with the difference that now a demon was posessing her body, a demon that hadn't been there when Sparda first dropped Dante there. Which is something Sparda could not have foreseen.

So dumping 6 years-old kid in demonic orphanage is safe....ooookaaay.......

I never said that. What I said was, if you were to drop your kid at an ordinary orhpanage, it would be realatively safe. We do not know for sure whether or not the orphanage was run by a demon from the very beginning. So, if the headnurse had been just an ordinary human being when Sparda brought Dante there, it would have been just an ordinary orhpanage and therefore relatively safe.

 

[Innsmouth]

I'm sorry, but what references do you mean? It is quite possible that they had a different headnurse when Sparda dumped Dante at the orphanage, which was exchanged a few months later with the one that was a demon. Just because that demon had a vessel of an old lady doesn't mean that she had to be at that exact orphanage from the beginning, because even old people can change their working places. Alternatively it is also possible that the headnurse did stay "the same", just with the difference that now a demon was posessing her body, a demon that hadn't been there when Sparda first dropped Dante there. Which is something Sparda could not have foreseen.


I never said that. What I said was, if you were to drop your kid at an ordinary orhpanage, it would be realatively safe. We do not know for sure whether or not the orphanage was run by a demon from the very beginning. So, if the headnurse had been just an ordinary human being when Sparda brought Dante there, it would have been just an ordinary orhpanage and therefore relatively safe.

It's true. Though the problem is that we severely lacking info on the matter. As such it may have been as you described, but it also can be that my theory was correct. At this point there is really to little info to confirm/deny it. The only thing that still doesn't really connect is that orphanages are financed through state and we all know that whole state is rotted and evil.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

I'm sorry, but what references do you mean? It is quite possible that they had a different headnurse when Sparda dumped Dante at the orphanage, which was exchanged a few months later with the one that was a demon. Just because that demon had a vessel of an old lady doesn't mean that she had to be at that exact orphanage from the beginning, because even old people can change their working places. Alternatively it is also possible that the headnurse did stay "the same", just with the difference that now a demon was posessing her body, a demon that hadn't been there when Sparda first dropped Dante there. Which is something Sparda could not have foreseen.


I never said that. What I said was, if you were to drop your kid at an ordinary orhpanage, it would be realatively safe. We do not know for sure whether or not the orphanage was run by a demon from the very beginning. So, if the headnurse had been just an ordinary human being when Sparda brought Dante there, it would have been just an ordinary orhpanage and therefore relatively safe.

Thanks for basically replying for me.

 

[Darkstar Darin]

I like that DmC2 could set up a sequel for Sparda to join Dante to stop Vergil from going crazy with power.

For me, I prefer Sparda's back story, after-planning, sacrifice, and possible resurrection from DmC, but prefer the power and mystery of Sparda from DMC.

YES!! YES!! OH GODS ON HIGH A THOUSAND TIMES YES!! But it makes me wonder if they'll treat Sparda like Gabula Belmont. I mean Draciel. Dammit... :facepalm: