Isn't the story kinda sappy ?

[ROCKMAN X]

I mean i was expecting to see something really dark twisted and gritty but WTF ?? they made vergil into a pussycat...He actually says "I loved your brother" WTF is wrong with him ?

I thought this game was trying to be more gritty and dark what is with the cliche ending ?

"I know you are not the monster i know who you are" as if this cliche line wasn't said before

WTF ?? people were mustering about NT's "amazing" stroytelling but i find thing really really disappointing..

and the what's up with the random pauses and cutscenes in-between the boss fight it seems kinda distracting

 

[CheeseKao]

1. Just about every movie out there has a cliched ending and yet, some of them garner plenty of praise despite their cliched ending. Ever wonder why?

2. "Vergil is a pussycat" You're gonna have to elaborate more on this.

3. Is loving one's brother wrong?

 

[Soupie]

I feel that literature is getting very under-appreciated in this day and age by the common folk. *Goes back to reading classic books*

 

[crush]

He was extremely cold to other people after he unmasked himself I mean, the reason why Vergil stabbed Arkham in DMC3 was he thought he wasn't demon enough. Which is quite understandable because they are on a quest to renounce their humanity.
DmC Vergil is not reasonable, and moreover manipulative. But understandable.

 

[CheeseKao]

That's just it, it's not a movie.
When most people buy games, it's usually not for the story.

Most play for the challenge expecting each to be more difficult giving reason as to why you've upgraded your equipment.

And when the game is completed most expect an ending that was really worth the trouble getting to.

That's not my point. What I'm saying is cliches aren't all bad. You have to look at the whole package and not just a single point if you plan on judging something. I found the ending to be neither good nor bad but the entire story as a whole interested me.

 

[AlchemistFromEden]

I mean i was expecting to see something really dark twisted and gritty but WTF ?? they made vergil into a pussycat...He actually says "I loved your brother" WTF is wrong with him ?

I thought this game was trying to be more gritty and dark what is with the cliche ending ?

"I know you are not the monster i know who you are" as if this cliche line wasn't said before

WTF ?? people were mustering about NT's "amazing" stroytelling but i find thing really really disappointing..

and the what's up with the random pauses and cutscenes in-between the boss fight it seems kinda distracting

didn't know shooting unborn demon babies makes you a light hearted character, also, leaving your closest friend to die

 

[darkmanifest]

It is indeed rather sappy, but no worse than previous entries. It's just that, same as you, I thought it would be better. *shrug*

 

[Loopy]

He actually says "I loved your brother" WTF is wrong with him ?

That bit reminded me of this

For me, what Dante and Vergil's relationship is like parallels the brother relationship with Thor and Loki. Somehow, it makes sense to me.

The only thing I thought was a little cliche was Vergil saying 'This is madness.' Like this

Honestly, I even felt sorry for Lilith with the exchange. She was a total cow, but then she's suddenly a vulnerable wreck. Kinda felt bad when she got killed like that, even if she was a demon.
I like how they did that. Mundus wrecks Sparda's family, so Dante and Vergil wreck his. I'm not sure if he was upset like a father who loves his kid, more like he was angry he lost his heir to carry on his legacy, but still, it was interesting to have a bad guy asking the 'good guy' why he murdered his child.

 

[AlchemistFromEden]

That bit reminded me of this

For me, what Dante and Vergil's relationship is like parallels the brother relationship with Thor and Loki. Somehow, it makes sense to me.

The only thing I thought was a little cliche was Vergil saying 'This is madness.' Like this

Honestly, I even felt sorry for Lilith with the exchange. She was a total cow, but then she's suddenly a vulnerable wreck. Kinda felt bad when she got killed like that, even if she was a demon.
I like how they did that. Mundus wrecks Sparda's family, so Dante and Vergil wreck his. I'm not sure if he was upset like a father who loves his kid, more like he was angry he lost his heir to carry on his legacy, but still, it was interesting to have a bad guy asking the 'good guy' why he murdered his child.

it was also very original because come on how many times have we've seen that happen in video games, where a protagonist kills the only two people the main antagonist cares about, while the main antagonist watches, only for the protagonist to smile about it, Mundus's reaction was great when he saw that, you can tell that his demonic heart just skipped a few beats

 

[Loopy]

It's like Vergil is in a moral 'grey area'. He honestly thinks he is doing the right thing. But in the real world, killing a child is a big taboo, and Vergil crossed that line easily. It makes me wonder what else he could do if he can kill a mother and child so easily.

where a protagonist kills the only two people the main antagonist cares about,

For sure, Mundus cared about his child, that was the first thing he asked Dante. As for Lilith, he just saw her as a means for having a child. She even says that she is nothing to Mundus without the child.
Which to me makes her an interesting character. She is aware that he is using her, but she is willing to go along with it. As for why, I'd say power or she was truly in love with him and thought having his kid would get him to love her back. I noticed in the cutscenes that she was more into him, than he was with her, and she goes on about how she would do anything to make Mundus happy.
It's kinda sad really.

 

[HaNGMaN]

I think that Vergil killing the child was pretty poignant. It was the first true glimpse that this is the man who we are going to go head to head with in future games. Dante spent entire missions with Kat, protecting her, being taught by her, enough for a friendship and trust to build. Vergil never really went for any relationships. He always stayed on the objective and quiet in a way. The first real action we see out of him is to shoot the womb of a woman in order to suit his own agenda. His objective wouldn't be compromised. Selfish, uncaring, immovable. That is a villain, and I think that scene is where we first realized that he is indeed the villain we need to worry about.

 

[DarkSlayer54]

Didn't Vergil say "I loved you, brother"? As in, past tense?
I thought it made him sound menacing.

 

[Loopy]

He always stayed on the objective and quiet in a way. The first real action we see out of him is to shoot the womb of a woman in order to suit his own agenda.

Killing the child was bad enough, then he shoots her in the head. He only needed to kill the child, but he took it to the next step. If thiniking about using real world morals, he did a really sick thing.
It does make me think how morally ambiguous the characters in the game are. Mundus thinks he is helping humans because without him, humans would kill each other.

Vergil thinks he would do a better job if he could get rid of Mundus, but Vergil is just as bad, maybe worse.He's cold, uncaring and doesn't think much of humans either.
For me, Vergil and Mundus are similar. Both Vergil and Mundus killed women who were mothers and both think humans are unable to look after themselves.

Then there's the ending. Sure, Mundus is gone, but now humans are exposed to demons. The control has been taken away, but do humans know what to do with this freedom? Did Dante and Vergil do the right thing? It's like they solved one prblem, but made a worse problem as well.

 

[AlchemistFromEden]

Killing the child was bad enough, then he shoots her in the head. He only needed to kill the child, but he took it to the next step. If thiniking about using real world morals, he did a really sick thing.
It does make me think how morally ambiguous the characters in the game are. Mundus thinks he is helping humans because without him, humans would kill each other.

Vergil thinks he would do a better job if he could get rid of Mundus, but Vergil is just as bad, maybe worse.He's cold, uncaring and doesn't think much of humans either.
For me, Vergil and Mundus are similar. Both Vergil and Mundus killed women who were mothers and both think humans are unable to look after themselves.

Then there's the ending. Sure, Mundus is gone, but now humans are exposed to demons. The control has been taken away, but do humans know what to do with this freedom? Did Dante and Vergil do the right thing? It's like they solved one prblem, but made a worse problem as well.

and this is why the storytelling is better

 

[HaNGMaN]

Killing the child was bad enough, then he shoots her in the head. He only needed to kill the child, but he took it to the next step. If thiniking about using real world morals, he did a really sick thing.
It does make me think how morally ambiguous the characters in the game are. Mundus thinks he is helping humans because without him, humans would kill each other.

Vergil thinks he would do a better job if he could get rid of Mundus, but Vergil is just as bad, maybe worse.He's cold, uncaring and doesn't think much of humans either.
For me, Vergil and Mundus are similar. Both Vergil and Mundus killed women who were mothers and both think humans are unable to look after themselves.

Then there's the ending. Sure, Mundus is gone, but now humans are exposed to demons. The control has been taken away, but do humans know what to do with this freedom? Did Dante and Vergil do the right thing? It's like they solved one prblem, but made a worse problem as well.

I didn't realize that Vergil was the one who shot her in the head as well. I never paid attention where the shot came from, so that's definitely a good point. Also a good point with him doing the same for Mundus's child that was done to his mother. That shows planning and a big thirst for revenge. The end with the demon's being let loose should be interesting in the sequel. Cutting off the head of the snake does not make the body disappear. It should be interesting how Dante is portrayed by public in the sequel if it is made known that Dante, and the Order were responsible for this.

 

[Soupie]

Killing the child was bad enough, then he shoots her in the head. He only needed to kill the child, but he took it to the next step. If thiniking about using real world morals, he did a really sick thing.
It does make me think how morally ambiguous the characters in the game are. Mundus thinks he is helping humans because without him, humans would kill each other.

Vergil thinks he would do a better job if he could get rid of Mundus, but Vergil is just as bad, maybe worse.He's cold, uncaring and doesn't think much of humans either.
For me, Vergil and Mundus are similar. Both Vergil and Mundus killed women who were mothers and both think humans are unable to look after themselves.

Then there's the ending. Sure, Mundus is gone, but now humans are exposed to demons. The control has been taken away, but do humans know what to do with this freedom? Did Dante and Vergil do the right thing? It's like they solved one prblem, but made a worse problem as well.

Good to see that some people can still analyse stories to come out with thought-provoking conclusions.

 

[DarkSlayer54]

Killing the child was bad enough, then he shoots her in the head. He only needed to kill the child, but he took it to the next step. If thiniking about using real world morals, he did a really sick thing.
It does make me think how morally ambiguous the characters in the game are. Mundus thinks he is helping humans because without him, humans would kill each other.

Vergil thinks he would do a better job if he could get rid of Mundus, but Vergil is just as bad, maybe worse.He's cold, uncaring and doesn't think much of humans either.
For me, Vergil and Mundus are similar. Both Vergil and Mundus killed women who were mothers and both think humans are unable to look after themselves.

Then there's the ending. Sure, Mundus is gone, but now humans are exposed to demons. The control has been taken away, but do humans know what to do with this freedom? Did Dante and Vergil do the right thing? It's like they solved one prblem, but made a worse problem as well.

There's one main difference between Vergil and Mundus.

Vergil wants to take control to protect humans, while Mundus wants to control them for power. Mundus doesn't care for their well being.

I think it's safe to assume that Vergil thinks of humans as mere pets. He does care for them, but if a few of them die here and there, it won't really matter to him.
While Dante see's humans as equals. He believes that they can make the right decisions when true freedom is given to them.

Vergil's position is understandable. To him, taking away their freedom is a small price to pay in exchange for their safety... but ironically, he doesn't seem to understand the horror in living a lie despite his childhood.

 

[Kishido]

Seeing OPs username... Leaving this thread. Have a nice day

 

[Dante's Stalker]

Seeing OPs username... Leaving this thread. Have a nice day

You're missing out, I don't think he posts again and it's a pretty good thread.
THANK YOUS FOR ALL TEH JUICY DETAILS GUYS!!!! I LOVEZ YOUS!!!!

 

[Loopy]

I think it's safe to assume that Vergil thinks of humans as mere pets. He does care for them, but if a few of them die here and there, it won't really matter to him.

That's a good way of putting it. You're right, Vergil does see humans like pets.

As for Mundus, he does say to Dante that when humans are given freedom that they kill each other and starve. Then says that when he's in control, he gives humans order and Prosperity. But, you're right; he does get a power trip from doing it. He sees humans more like insects.