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How much of an idiot would you have to be...

Well not much you can do about it. nMundus is pretty incompetent and stupid. Why the hell will he be busy killing Eva, when actually biggest problem are kids. Should have finished them beforehand, instead of letting them run amok. And why put Dante in prison, when he should have tear his head?...well nobody knows for sure :/
 
How is this any different from Spider-man or Nightwing smack talking enemies into fighting sloppy?
 
Step 3.
Have Vergil, who Mundus doesn't know exists, sneak in to seal said gate with the only key available, which Mundus doesn't know exists, and seal it, which Mundus doesn't know can happen.

Step 3, ya him not about Vergil in the first place is idiotic (something to address for another time) to begin with but we'll just pretend for all tense and purposes for this particular situation that this story wasn't written by a 12 year old who just got into fanfiction, then there's no problem.

Step 1: get your facts straight.
Step 2: please stop trying to nitpick when you do not remember the facts accurately.

Step 3: Mundus took Kat hostage. He sent a viral video to Vergil. He knew at that point that
a.) Vergil exists,
b.) Vergil had come out of nowhere and offed his offspring on live TV, hence he is a legit threat, and
c.) He is working with Dante the nephilim.

Unless you guys are implying that Mundus simply didn't know Vergil is nephilim, but from the gist of your posts, it sounds like it's generally assumed Mundus was oblivious to Vergil's existence.

Just thought I'd point it out.
Maybe Mundus was too focussed on Dante to bother wondering where Vergil was. Maybe he didn't sense Vergil as a nephilim because he thought he was sensing Dante (IF sensing was even part of the makeup, which I doubt, considering that if tracking Dante down had been as simple as sensing his whereabouts, Mundus wouldn't have had to get Lilith to hunt him down via cctv and hunter demon, kapish?)
 
Examples of the same ploy working

Full Metal Alchemist: during the duel between Ed and Muustang, and Ed resorted to hiding among the crowd watching the fight. Mustang makes a small reference to Ed's height within Ed's earshot, which makes Ed go berserk and expose his position

One Piece: Admiral Akainu attempts to stop Ace from escaping and goad him into fight by insulting Ace's adoptive father, Whitebeard. This works all too horrifyingly well.

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: In Joseph's fight with Wham, he actually gets Wham to not kill him by taunting him that he'd be strong enough to beat Wham if given one month.

Star Trek 2:The Wrath of Khan Kirk ensures that Khan will follow him into the Mutara Nebula (which will negate many of Khan's current tactical advantages) by making it a dare and stomping on Khan's sense of superiority

Men In Black: Jay enrages "Edgar" by stomping on roaches.

Lord of the Rings: Aragorn does this to Sauron by using the Palantír of Orthanc to show him Andúril (Narsil reforged), hoping to provoke Sauron into mobilizing his forces before they were fully ready. It worked.

Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Buffy mocks The Mayor into taking giant snake form in a roomful of explosives, escaped and hit the detonator.

Chrono Cross: Kid taunts the Guards into unlocking the cage to attack her. Serge, and third party member.

Batman Beyond: Terry successfully drives the Joker over the edge, by laughing at him.

Batman the animated series: he taunts the Joker by saying that Harley had come closer to killing him than he (the Joker) ever had. Then Batman grins and calls him "Puddin'", Harley's pet-name for the Joker
 
b.) Vergil had come out of nowhere and offed his offspring on live TV, hence he is a legit threat, and
c.) He is working with Dante the nephilim.
Yeah, but when talking to Dante Mundus never says 'your conspirator killing my offspring' or 'Vergil killed my offspring,' he always puts the blame on Dante, who never refutes him.

Also, it wasn't live TV, Mundus was watching from his window.
 
Yeah, but when talking to Dante Mundus never says 'your conspirator killing my offspring' or 'Vergil killed my offspring,' he always puts the blame on Dante, who never refutes him.

Also, it wasn't live TV, Mundus was watching from his window.
Point is Mundus was aware of Vergil.
edit: If you knew that Mundus watched the whole thing, whether tv or window, whatever, why were you running with the idea that he didn't know Vergil existed?
 
Point is Mundus was aware of Vergil.
edit: If you knew that Mundus watched the whole thing, whether tv or window, whatever, why were you running with the idea that he didn't know Vergil existed?
I forgot. I don't exactly go back and replay the game every time a new thread pops up. Whether he knew Vergil existed but didn't know he was Nephilim or he just plain didn't know he existed at all has so little impact on the outcome I got it mixed up. Not really that big a deal or difference.
 
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I forgot. I don't exactly go back and replay the game every time a new thread pops up. Whether he knew Vergil existed but didn't know he was Nephilim or he just plain didn't know he existed at all has so little impact on the outcome I got it mixed up. Not really that a deal or difference.
Fair enough. I was just wondering because the topic was revolving around Mundus not knowing Vergil existed, so... yeah. Okay, whatever, thanks for answering :thumbsup:
 
Couple of things.

For one, being away from the Hellgate does not cut off Mundus from his immortality and power, so he has nothing to fear from being out of his office. We've seen photos of him totally not in his office. Y'know, the ones bouncing around on the walls when he and Lilith are bumping uglies.

Secondly, Mundus knew of Vergil, but not that he was anything more than a dude privy to the demon's plan and a thorn in Mundus' side. Mundus also was not able to sense Dante, he sensed the death of his subjects, but could not sense Dante in any way, shape, or form. That's why the Hunter demons exist in the first place, and if he could have sensed Dante, there's no reason why he couldn't have killed him when he was a child.

Also - the question of "they knew where Dante was when he was younger, so why did they let him go?" is silly, because it ignores the fact that they had only a first name to go off of. I'll tell you to go find a kid named Jimmy in an orphanage and we'll see how well you pinpoint the exact one I was looking for. Then of course, as soon as Dante realizes he's in the presence of demons, he goes batsh!t and cuts his way out of the establishment. He never stays long enough to get caught. Hell, I'm still skeptical if they had his name when he was a kid, even, and not something else they picked up while searching for "the nephilim".

Mundus only knew of Dante because he saw the kid while he was busying killing Eva. Vergil was nowhere in sight, and neither Sparda nor Eva would reveal the existence of their children. Dante just happened to be there, so they knew. They didn't even have Dante's "scent" up until recently, only having a name to go off of for the longest time. Vergil got away cleanly, they had no idea he even existed, and Vergil became hella good at covering his tracks, given that he could operate a global network of anti-demon conspirators without anyone finding out anything about them that the Order didn't want them to know.

How did they know it would work? Pretty much because the legend said they had the power to. Take that for what you will, but when a Nephilim is destined to be the only thing that can kill a Demon King by shutting the Hellgate and all that jazz, you take what you can get, and that was a slam dunk.

So let's recap - the only way Mundus could have lost his power and immortality is if a Nephilim got close to the Hellgate. As he knew of Dante as the only nephilim at the time, he figured he'd be totally fine tackling Dante through a few buildings in a fit of rage. He had no reason to assume another Nephilim existed that could have been there.
 
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