Favorite Devil Arm to use and why

[Chancey289]

Maybe he couldn't spam Summoned Swords with every melee move?
I just think it's really badass how Vergil attacks and blocks with Yamato's sheath. Dunno if it's part of laido or not.

He has a made up unorthodox style that's inspired by laido. The thing is, laido is not a full blown fighting style. It's just a technique to get the upper hand at the start of the battle. You wouldn't keep sheathing and unsheathing your sword in a sword fight. That's nuts.

 

[Demi-fiend]

What about this? Too unrealistic?

Also, Blade did it first, guys. Respect.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

It's funny, both Vergil and Dante always attack "from the sheath" during gameplay, but during cutscenes they keep it out at all times until the fight is done. It was always cool seeing the different ways they would sheath their swords after different steps in combos. DmC Vergil had that cool one he would do after Helm Breaker, where he sheathed Yamato behind his waist.

It's weird, though, that Rebellion clicks when its reset, because there's no mechanism for holding it in place >.< DmC sorta lampshaded it by pretty much going "Yeah, it stays there because magic."

 

[Lord Nero]

Vergil's fighting wouldn't realistically be of use to anyone. If you wanna get technical he wields a sword like an idiot and would be freaking dead in a heartbeat but, DMC's "rule of cool" will toss everything aside just for that.

I saw some dude at this convention where there was play sword fights we could have and he was trying to copy Vergil. Yea, he lost for a reason.

It would, actually. Samurai carried swords with the blade downward when on horseback, so that it didn't get in the way of their armor. So he doesn't necessarily ''wield his sword like an idiot''. It is a very dangerous way of drawing his katana, though. He could cut his fingers off when trying to do a quick slash right out of his saya. But otherwise, there isn't really a problem with how he carries it. When wielding it without his saya, he seems to be using it correctly.

Also, I don't see how wielding a katana edge down is 'cool'. If you think it's cool, that's fine, but I don't think that's the angle DMC3 was going for. The way he carries it is meant to illustrate how dangerous Vergil is, not only to others but also to himself.

 

[Picard]

I just think it's really badass how Vergil attacks and blocks with Yamato's sheath. Dunno if it's part of laido or not.

Japanese swordfighting is kalled kenjutsu; iaido is simply a very useful move if you are surprised, and it was typically used for blocking, though offensive use was also possible (and no, you don't block with the sheath unless it is the only option you have). Katana is always, or at least almost always, used with two hands due to balance.

BTW, katana had blade length of 60-73 cm and weight of 2-3 lbs, while European longswords had blade length of 100-120 cm and weight of 2,5-3,5 lbs. Only two-handed swords weighted cca 6 lbs. I know it is a game, but Order of the Sword swords would be unrealistically heavy for the combat weapon, probably even heavier than the parade longswords (8-15 lbs).

 

[Chancey289]

It would, actually. Samurai carried swords with the blade downward when on horseback, so that it didn't get in the way of their armor. So he doesn't necessarily ''wield his sword like an idiot''. It is a very dangerous way of drawing his katana, though. He could cut his fingers off when trying to do a quick slash right out of his saya. But otherwise, there isn't really a problem with how he carries it. When wielding it without his saya, he seems to be using it correctly.

Also, I don't see how wielding a katana edge down is 'cool'. If you think it's cool, that's fine, but I don't think that's the angle DMC3 was going for. The way he carries it is meant to illustrate how dangerous Vergil is, not only to others but also to himself.

No, it's like I said. The way Vergil fights in unorthodox and not realistic. You wouldn't keep sheathing and unsheathing a sword, especially how he holds it, and block with a sheath. Laido is just basically a tactic for a quick upper hand at the start of a battle.

You don't rely on it at all really afterwards because you're gonna have to keep that sword up and in your hands if you don't want to lose your head.

It's a video game. Not real life.

 

[Chancey289]

It's funny, both Vergil and Dante always attack "from the sheath" during gameplay, but during cutscenes they keep it out at all times until the fight is done. It was always cool seeing the different ways they would sheath their swords after different steps in combos. DmC Vergil had that cool one he would do after Helm Breaker, where he sheathed Yamato behind his waist.

It's weird, though, that Rebellion clicks when its reset, because there's no mechanism for holding it in place >.< DmC sorta lampshaded it by pretty much going "Yeah, it stays there because magic."

Magical birth marks. At least it explains how Dante's sword stays on his back and how he carries such a huge arsenal around instead of yanking it out his a$$ whenever it was useful.

 

[Blue_Rose]

Japanese swordfighting is kalled kenjutsu; iaido is simply a very useful move if you are surprised, and it was typically used for blocking, though offensive use was also possible (and no, you don't block with the sheath unless it is the only option you have). Katana is always, or at least almost always, used with two hands due to balance.

BTW, katana had blade length of 60-73 cm and weight of 2-3 lbs, while European longswords had blade length of 100-120 cm and weight of 2,5-3,5 lbs. Only two-handed swords weighted cca 6 lbs. I know it is a game, but Order of the Sword swords would be unrealistically heavy for the combat weapon, probably even heavier than the parade longswords (8-15 lbs).

I always did wonder why he carried Yamato with one hand. I've held katanas before and sure as hell couldn't fight one handed for the life of me.

 

[Picard]

I always did wonder why he carried Yamato with one hand. I've held katanas before and sure as hell couldn't fight one handed for the life of me.

Well, he is a half-demon, maybe it simply isn't an issue for him. Rebellion is obviously a two-handed sword, yet Dante uses it with one hand, Red Queen is also a two-handed sword which Nero always uses with one hand... seems to be a standard for part-demons.

 

[Innsmouth]

Well considering that Musashi used double-sword technique, while using Katana and Wakizashi at the same time, using katana with one hand is possible (I highly doubt it's possible to use Rebellion with one hand-only, considering that they both built as two-handed swords)

 

[Chancey289]

There was never any doubt. Rebellion is a broad sword with the original blade looking like a standard Claymore. You don't wield those with one hand.

This. Is. A. Video. Game.

A. Work. Of. Fiction.

They do what the want while physics and realism are thrown out the window. You can wield Rebellion one handed with about as much success as wielding Cloud's Buster Sword.

 

[Innsmouth]

Well, he is a half-demon, maybe it simply isn't an issue for him. Rebellion is obviously a two-handed sword, yet Dante uses it with one hand, Red Queen is also a two-handed sword which Nero always uses with one hand... seems to be a standard for part-demons.

Oh also in Iaido you have to strike with one hand (well obviously ), Btw, for those interested here are some basic moves.

Other than that, it's pretty clear that most moves are unrealistic, but hey! I doubt there are projectile slashes or anything in real life

 

[Picard]

This. Is. A. Video. Game.

A. Work. Of. Fiction.

I know, but why would that stop us from discussing the reality it draws from?

Oh also in Iaido you have to strike with one hand (well obviously ),

True, but that is just an opening move. You'll notice that instructor in the video grabs the sword with both hands as soon as possible.

And thanks for the video, btw.

 

[Innsmouth]

True, but that is just an opening move. You'll notice that instructor in the video grabs the sword with both hands as soon as possible.

And thanks for the video, btw.

Sure Yes of course, classical japanese sword usage is with two-hand grip. But like I said, Musashi is famous for using unorthodox sword style, where he used short wakizashi and normal katana at same time (I don't even start how originally he was hated for it )

 

[Lord Nero]

No, it's like I said. The way Vergil fights in unorthodox and not realistic. You wouldn't keep sheathing and unsheathing a sword, especially how he holds it, and block with a sheath. Laido is just basically a tactic for a quick upper hand at the start of a battle.

You don't rely on it at all really afterwards because you're gonna have to keep that sword up and in your hands if you don't want to lose your head.

It's a video game. Not real life.

Well, how he carries the Yamato is not necessarily unrealistic.
But yeah, nobody in real life would fight like that. Nobody should be able to use a katana one-handed (for long). Nobody should be able to do three slashes in one or two seconds. But since they're half-demons and possess extreme power, they can do it without breaking a sweat. Heck, you should see how new Vergil wields the Yamato. In one or two of his basic combos, he seems to slash all the way until the Yamato reaches the ground behind him. Really bad idea in terms of safety and vulnerability.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

rebellion mixed with yamato and lucifer as i love to jc but mainly rebellion

 

[EA9Sol]

Lucifer and gilgamesh are my favorite in dmc 4. But I really like the Red Queen and the fact I could have slide on enemies backs a revved the sword like a motor bike...... but tis not ment to beeee. -_-/

 

[Picard]

I found Gilgamesh quite useful against more heavily-armored opponents (Savior's crystals, Angelos, Assaults), but overall I prefer the Rebellion.

 

[Ruisu]

Well, he is a half-demon, maybe it simply isn't an issue for him. Rebellion is obviously a two-handed sword, yet Dante uses it with one hand, Red Queen is also a two-handed sword which Nero always uses with one hand... seems to be a standard for part-demons.

To be fair, Dante mixes up using one hand and two hands in his basic combos, and kind of uses the momentum of the sword swing in some moves to manage the weight. Kind of.
This is more noticeable in DmC, were Dante almost swings around along with his sword in some moves, and relies more on balancing the weight with each move. Even though the rebellion in DmC is much smaller and (presumably) lighter.
The same would aply to Nero I guess, the Red Queen actually seems like a really big one handed sword, and this whole weight balancing kind of shows in some of his basic combos. Although in some cut-scenes Nero makes it look like the Red Queen isn't heavy at all, you can (sorta) see that weight in some moves like that one where he smashes the sword against the ground a few times.

yeah...

In topic, I personally love the Lucifer for how cool the throwing rose looks, and also that swordmaster skill where you clap your hands and the thorns spawn around you. I find it really hard to use it as a main weapon though, cause' I can't seem to be able to use some of it's combos properly in the middle of a fight. I use it more than the Gilgamesh for sure, but it's more like second choice for the Rebellion most of the time, and mostly using the swordmaster skills.

I found Gilgamesh quite useful against more heavily-armored opponents (Savior's crystals, Angelos, Assaults), but overall I prefer the Rebellion.

I suck so bad at using the Gilgamesh along with the other Arms. Usually for these enemies I choose the Yamato, since I found out it affects them in a similar way that Nero's Devil Bringer, while being much faster and safe than the Gilgamesh.
Just charge is awesome though.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Magical birth marks. At least it explains how Dante's sword stays on his back and how he carries such a huge arsenal around instead of yanking it out his a$$ whenever it was useful.

Would that explain the smoke every time Yamato disappears at the end of the three-hit combo in DMC4? XD