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Eva in the story

Sieghart said:
lol their chat is full of entertaining for me though and yes it's more like a chat to me than an argument or a debate.
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Hopefully it is actually entertaining. I can get pretty demeaning in an argument ha but I hope that reading all of this gets some creative juices flowing or maybe makes you think about the characters in a way you haven't before.
 
Tiran said:
You cannot compare Jesus to Eva story-wise. Jesus had a well told fleshed out story detailing exactly what kind of person he was in many different situations. That's why people know him so well. All that is known of Eva are character traits. She, as a character, is never explored, just described. That is the difference I'm talking about. You seem to believe that personality traits make for a great character when they only make for the foundation of the character.
We know that Eva was kind and caring towards her children to the point that she would sacrifice herself for them. That makes her a great mother, not a great character. She might be a giving loving individual, that makes her a great person, not an interesting character. She serves as only motivation for Dante, nothing more. That makes her a
Trish is never shown to want to be LIKE Eva. She is only shown wanting to be a better person and even then, this change is sudden and not explained. Her transition from loyal servant to an evil overlord and Dante';s sidekick is random and any inner conflict is never explored either. What does she care about Dante? She isn't Eva nor does she contain any part of Eva. She just think about it and changes. Why this happens with her and not any other demon, we never know. (I have at theory that it has something to do with her being a sexy woman)
A writer needs to show human flaws, the inner demons which run through a character’s mind just as they do in real life to each and every one of us. Consistency too is key to creating great fictional characters. If you can develop a character from birth and imbue him with a full personality; human traits and emotions, fears, needs and desires you are working towards a great story.
Dante is a great character. Eva is not.
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Alright, honestly, without outside influence, let's try and wrap this baby up. I agree the Jesus metaphor wasn't the strongest case, but I'll admit, it was 3:30am and I was tired as hell. So I'll admit fault on that and we can move on to the main event. I still feel that there is alot more depth to Eva's character that isn't told through traditional stroytelling. What we are told up front is the story we all know so well. Marries Sparda, has kids, dies. But far from just that, her character is also told through the other characters in the story. What you say are simply "personality traits" that cannot make up the character, I see as the backbone of her character, which is fully fleshed out through the other characters in the game. We can both agree that Dante is a great character, but look at him when he fights. That spirit, that soul, that fire that Eva has burns in him as well. Dante is obviously half his father and half his mother, as is Vergil. Through the way they act and the way they behave, Eva's spirit shines through them all in different ways. It may not be enough for to be able to enjoy or understand, but I find it makes Eva's character compelling and truly original.

As far as Trish goes, her character changes after Dante puts his life in danger in spite of her betraying him. Dante's nobility make her question who she should really be fighting against, and symbolically, her sacrificing herself to Dante mirrors Eva's sacrifice, which in turn makes her more human. Thus, she is shown to be like Eva, in that her character development shows her move towards humanity through Eva's love and selflessness. I hope this explains what I fell about Eva as a character. I feel she is a fully illustrated character that could've flourished upon further explanation and you feel that her character is not built at all and leaves her lacking. Unfortunate, because I feel her character is truly interesting and inspiring, but if you still disagree, I can live with that ha
 
It doesnt matter if Eva is a human or an angel , A mother giving up her life for her children is a strong symbol undying love and it doesnt matter if she was an angel or human the fact is that SHE IS A MOTHER AND SHE DIED PROTECTING HER KIDS.If that isnt affection I dont know what is.

Making Eva an angel also adds another thing that she sacrificed, her pride. The fact that she is an angel suggests that she gave up her pride of being a sort of divine being to be with a demon who are looked down upon by all. This just shows how much she loved Sparda.

Being an angel also adds to her personality. It means that she is not any damsel in distress like Kyrie and can fend for herself. She probably dies because the assassin is too strong and she has to do a spell which involves sacrificing herself to kill the attacker.

So I prefer the fact that she is an angel
 
Sparda already did the whole giving up his pride thing by being with a human woman in the Classic series, but I see where you're coming from with this. We never really got to see what Eva was like as a character since she died before the events of the game but she always struck me as someone who had strength that even someone as poweful as Sparda admired enough to give up his own power.

You do make a good point; angel or human, if she gave up her life for her kids, that makes her awesome in my book.

However, being human doesn't make her a damsel in distress either, I don't think. If anything, it makes her even more of a badass, standing up to creatures, both holy and unholy, and making them respect her.

Guess that's what I get for watching too much Supernatural :D I tend to side with the Humans, caught in the middle with all this demon and angel crap. Movies, and media in general, have this message that humans are more than meets the eye (been watching too much Transformers too) and I was sort of hoping they would finally show us what sort of human could make a centuries old, supposedly evil creature give up his power and fight for her side.
 
M Ridwanul Hassan said:
It doesnt matter if Eva is a human or an angel , A mother giving up her life for her children is a strong symbol undying love and it doesnt matter if she was an angel or human the fact is that SHE IS A MOTHER AND SHE DIED PROTECTING HER KIDS.If that isnt affection I dont know what is.

Making Eva an angel also adds another thing that she sacrificed, her pride. The fact that she is an angel suggests that she gave up her pride of being a sort of divine being to be with a demon who are looked down upon by all. This just shows how much she loved Sparda.

Being an angel also adds to her personality. It means that she is not any damsel in distress like Kyrie and can fend for herself. She probably dies because the assassin is too strong and she has to do a spell which involves sacrificing herself to kill the attacker.

So I prefer the fact that she is an angel
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So, having more power makes someone a better character?
 
I don't want to burst some bubbles here, but it could be that Eva never gave two sh*ts about Dante or Vergil in this game.
 
D-Sparda said:
It's just a + for the character.
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I think the point that DevilsAdvocate was trying to make, is that how powerful a character is doesn't inherently have anything to do with how well written they are. I'd agree that power is a plus, but more so a character's worth should be measured by their content and depth as apposed to level of power
 
Railazel said:
I don't want to burst some bubbles here, but it could be that Eva never gave two sh*ts about Dante or Vergil in this game.
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I don't think there's any evidence of that in the games/anime/comics, but that'd be an interesting take. If anything I feel like Sparda has the potential to care less about his sons. We literally know nothing about Sparda. I'd like to see something like that explored further, about how Dante and Vergil's parents actually felt about them?
 
KtWtWiS43 said:
I don't think there's any evidence of that in the games/anime/comics, but that'd be an interesting take. If anything I feel like Sparda has the potential to care less about his sons. We literally know nothing about Sparda. I'd like to see something like that explored further, about how Dante and Vergil's parents actually felt about them?
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KtWtWiS43 said:
I think the point that DevilsAdvocate was trying to make, is that how powerful a character is doesn't inherently have anything to do with how well written they are. I'd agree that power is a plus, but more so a character's worth should be measured by their content and depth as apposed to level of power
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Since I haven't seen Eva's feats in DmC, I can't say if she will have more depth than DMC Eva.

As for now DMC Eva was an important factor(her death, more than anything) that shaped the destiny of the Sparda brothers. Like the path each of them chose to accomplish their respective goals.
 
D-Sparda said:
Since I haven't seen Eva's feats in DmC, I can't say if she will have more depth than DMC Eva.

As for now DMC Eva was an important factor(her death, more than anything) that shaped the destiny of the Sparda brothers. Like the path each of them chose to accomplish their respective goals.
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Exactomundo. Fingers crossed Ninja Theory doesn't let us down. At least not hard
 
DevilsAdvocate1234 said:
So, having more power makes someone a better character?
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how much did u like kyrie's character huh?
And how much did u like Lady?
Of course everyone liked lady and hated kyrie but why ? they were both humans:
well the reason is because Lady had power and kyrie was nothing more than nero's inanimate sex toy
 
M Ridwanul Hassan said:
how much did u like kyrie's character huh?
And how much did u like Lady?
Of course everyone liked lady and hated kyrie but why ? they were both humans:
well the reason is because Lady had power and kyrie was nothing more than nero's inanimate sex toy
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Hahaha arguably, if Kyrie was powerful, I still wouldn't give two ****s about her. Kyrie's character isn't as great as Lady's because Lady is well written and developed, while Kyrie's character is static throughout the whole course of the game
 
M Ridwanul Hassan said:
how much did u like kyrie's character huh?
And how much did u like Lady?
Of course everyone liked lady and hated kyrie but why ? they were both humans:
well the reason is because Lady had power and kyrie was nothing more than nero's inanimate sex toy
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power is not the case dude cuz ppl didnt like kyrie because she had no personality no dialogue other then "ahhhhhhhh" or "Neroooooo" where as lady is loved because she is awesome and has a far greater personality than kyrie...oh and shes hot ;)
 
KtWtWiS43 said:
Hahaha arguably, if Kyrie was powerful, I still wouldn't give two ****s about her. Kyrie's character isn't as great as Lady's because Lady is well written and developed, while Kyrie's character is static throughout the whole course of the game
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A character with power most often has a good personality too. To have power u need to work hard and go through hardships and that automatically instills character in an individual
 
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