Does Dante have any weaknesses?

[seraphmaycry]

Honestly I'd expect original Dante's weakness to be the same as the new one.
I've always taken to DMC2 for Dante's weakness, and from the way I've interpreted it, it seems to be the same as Wolverine's. His weakness is the fact that he has none.
By the time DMC2 took place it would be rather safe to assume that Lady, Enzo, and Morrison were all out of the game, by this point in the continuity, the devil hunting WAS Dante's life, and judging by how well he ages he wouldn't be quitting anytime soon.
He will have to cope with the fact that he can't lead a normal life due to his abilities.
Personally, that would be a route I'd LOVE to see them take with the new guy

that's an.... interesting idea, i like it a lot, but the problem i find with it is that many things, comics in particular, like to pull this, either they just don't fit or gotta hide who they really are.


i think if the idea was perhaps revised a bit it'd work.

 

[Nero DAnte]

I've said this before but...

In the old DMC and Blade series, the protagonists would age normally instead of being immortal like their demon/vampire brethren, therefore, suggesting that they would (slightly) get weaker in terms of strength and/or endurance.

Therefore, I think that Donte would probably not be as strong as either Angels nor demons due to the fact that:

1) he wasn't as physically strong as Mundus (or "fully-converted" Vergil (Vergita) for that matter) and...

2) There simply has to be some kind of tradeoff when there's that much magical energy involved. Yes, Dante had all those other weapons, but it took at least three hits just to get an enemy's shield down.

Therefore, I think that Donte would probably not be as strong as either Angels nor demons due to the fact that....
Dude,Donte??

 

[TerrorA]

I've said this before but...

In the old DMC and Blade series, the protagonists would age normally instead of being immortal like their demon/vampire brethren, therefore, suggesting that they would (slightly) get weaker in terms of strength and/or endurance.

Therefore, I think that reDante would probably not be as strong as either Angels nor demons due to the fact that:

1) he wasn't as physically strong as Mundus (or "fully-converted" Vergil (Vergita) for that matter) and...

2) There simply has to be some kind of tradeoff when there's that much magical energy involved. Yes, Dante had all those other weapons, but it took at least three hits just to get an enemy's shield down.

fixed that for you.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

I'm saying compared to Virgil he's sloppy and clearly not as well trained. Hence my saying in a realistic fight, where Vergil isn't doomed by canon, he'd rip Dante apart. When I say "Dante is sloppy" it's in comparison to Vergil, DMC Vergil and DMC Dante. Obviously DmC Dante is far more skilled than any human is going to be.

Compare Eryx to Beowulf. Tell me which one looks more refined.

But Dante does have the advantage in terms of raw power and versatility.

 

[TerrorA]

But Dante does have the advantage in terms of raw power and versatility.

And creativeness, and suspect sanity.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

in regards to sloppiness, i did feel that,despite the skill required for pretty much an osiris move, he is sloppy in a way, he has lots of skill but he kinda flops around the place and leaves massive openings a regular human with rudimentary sword fighting skills would be able to use against him.

DMC Dante i don't really feel is very sloppy, his moves aren't the well co-ordinated thrusts of a fencing champion, but despite swinging rebellion around, he totally knows what he's doing, each attack is rather long on startup and recover frames, recovery in particular, even the nevan moves have only a bit of recovery, he doesn't throw himself with the scythe form swings.

realistically vergil has a an advantage though, until you consider how most of his power come from the limited devil triger resource he has, think about it, a man who can SS the game on DMD mode takes no more than two years to train, Dante had way more, so did Vergil, but he still cant use DT or summoned swords any more (or can he? SECRET PURPLE ORB FRAGMENTS!?) then a regular player, his taunts can't be spammed either, because even with the block, Dante would just walk over and force him to teleport away too often.

Vergil is way more precise and controlled then Dante is though, so he does have an advantage over the guy.

I doubt that since most moves that leave Dante open he can very quickly angle dodge out of or if needed just parry the incoming attack.
And I don't get why people think Dante isn't as "precise" or "in control", because aside from some of his moves being a little flashier, theres nothing else that indicates he's better. Doesn't have more moves, isn't stronger, and isn't faster either.

 

[Nero DAnte]

I doubt that since most moves that leave Dante open he can very quickly angle dodge out of or if needed just parry the incoming attack.
And I don't get why people think Dante isn't as "precise" or "in control", because aside from some of his moves being a little flashier, theres nothing else that indicates he's better. Doesn't have more moves, isn't stronger, and isn't faster either.

When new Dante uses his basic Eryx combo,he bends over and staggers.This leaves his back open and a simple overhead slash by Yamato can tear his back open.how is he gonna dodge that?by flying away?

 

[seraphmaycry]

I doubt that since most moves that leave Dante open he can very quickly angle dodge out of or if needed just parry the incoming attack.
And I don't get why people think Dante isn't as "precise" or "in control", because aside from some of his moves being a little flashier, theres nothing else that indicates he's better. Doesn't have more moves, isn't stronger, and isn't faster either.

he does have sloppiness all around, old Dante was the same, they both are dumb to hold their swords on their backs without a sheath, which could have many consequences, such as possible peripheral vision blocking if placed incorrectly, accidental self murder, longer drawing time etc etc etc.

the guy also telegraphs his attacks, it's like a video game boss fight, a noob can die sooooooo so so much. and a veteran looks for the cues and dodges like a champ, it's like that for Dante, just more obvious, he also overswings, helpful in a crowd where a large sweep = many kills but in a 1v1 scenario is beyond pazuzu-awful.

also, if i remember correctly, swinging a weapon isn't very dependent on weight until you try to recover, which means arbiter should be a regular moving swing, slightly slower then rebellion or osiris with a bunch of stumbling around like an idiot for recovery which would result in a lost weapon in a realistic scenario.

Vergil is a much better fighter he has the finer points of swords down, he is somewhat over the top with yamato (ridiculous uppercut combo) but generally, as shown by his clever tactical use of teleportation, summoned swords and moveset is more or less refined, he also does not telegraph nearly as much, you have to watch the guy way more then Dante because Vergil slashes, Dante puts all his weight behind it.

 

[Nero DAnte]

he does have sloppiness all around, old Dante was the same, they both are dumb to hold their swords on their backs without a sheath, which could have many consequences, such as possible peripheral vision blocking if placed incorrectly, accidental self murder, longer drawing time etc etc etc.

No need to worry about 'accidental self murder' cuz Dante is quite used to getting stabbed by swords and scythes

 

[InfernalOverkill]

Vergil is a much better fighter he has the finer points of swords down, he is somewhat over the top with yamato (ridiculous uppercut combo) but generally, as shown by his clever tactical use of teleportation, summoned swords and moveset is more or less refined, he also does not telegraph nearly as much, you have to watch the guy way more then Dante because Vergil slashes, Dante puts all his weight behind it.

Exactly. Vergil is just the better fighter in general. If you didn't know anything about DMC/DmC and you studied their fighting styles, you'd assume Vergil would win a fight. The only reason Dante wins is because he's the protagonist lol.

But Dante does have the advantage in terms of raw power

Does he? DmC Vergil blocks Dante's attacks by casually swinging out Yamato's sheath.

 

[Jack500]

I think, new Dante's fighting style is sloppy, because NT wanted to show, that he still had a lot of growing to do. And before you mention DMC 3, keep in mind, that NT was going for a more realistic feel.

 

[Demi-fiend]

I was only joking about the "Donte" thing, guys. I'm actually a big fan of...

... the one and only Dante.


I mean the reboot one, not the "party-dude/biker mercenary/magic mike" one, just to be clear.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

Exactly. Vergil is just the better fighter in general. If you didn't know anything about DMC/DmC and you studied their fighting styles, you'd assume Vergil would win a fight. The only reason Dante wins is because he's the protagonist lol.



Does he? DmC Vergil blocks Dante's attacks by casually swinging out Yamato's sheath.

Well from playing vergil's downfall I can say that Vergils neutral and Demon mode does less base damage and so does his DT.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

he does have sloppiness all around, old Dante was the same, they both are dumb to hold their swords on their backs without a sheath, which could have many consequences, such as possible peripheral vision blocking if placed incorrectly, accidental self murder, longer drawing time etc etc etc.

the guy also telegraphs his attacks, it's like a video game boss fight, a noob can die sooooooo so so much. and a veteran looks for the cues and dodges like a champ, it's like that for Dante, just more obvious, he also overswings, helpful in a crowd where a large sweep = many kills but in a 1v1 scenario is beyond pazuzu-awful.

also, if i remember correctly, swinging a weapon isn't very dependent on weight until you try to recover, which means arbiter should be a regular moving swing, slightly slower then rebellion or osiris with a bunch of stumbling around like an idiot for recovery which would result in a lost weapon in a realistic scenario.

Vergil is a much better fighter he has the finer points of swords down, he is somewhat over the top with yamato (ridiculous uppercut combo) but generally, as shown by his clever tactical use of teleportation, summoned swords and moveset is more or less refined, he also does not telegraph nearly as much, you have to watch the guy way more then Dante because Vergil slashes, Dante puts all his weight behind it.

Only Dante's Demon mode attacks are telegraphed(same goes for Vergil) all his other attacks come out pretty much instantly, so the sword being on his back wouldn't affect draw time much. And not all his attacks are crowd control based.

 

[seraphmaycry]

Only Dante's Demon mode attacks are telegraphed(same goes for Vergil) all his other attacks come out pretty much instantly, so the sword being on his back wouldn't affect draw time much. And not all his attacks are crowd control based.

well, the sword doesn't teleport into his hand now does it?

and no, their is a telegraph, i'm no expert, but i know fighting an experienced person practically all of his attacks are bad, he doesn't attack with a guard, he doesn't guard his lines at all.

i know his attacks are not all crowd control, otherwise demon weapons would be even more stupidly painful.

Does he? DmC Vergil blocks Dante's attacks by casually swinging out Yamato's sheath.

physical force does basically NOTHING in a proper parry, you're not trying to bash the sword away, a parry is more a less a deflection that your opponent must recover from to be able to do anything again.


also, isn't it weird how vergil insists on sheathing yamato after every attack? i don't use katanas, and i likely never will, but i just don't see the logic behind it, just a random thought.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

well, the sword doesn't teleport into his hand now does it?

and no, their is a telegraph, i'm no expert, but i know fighting an experienced person practically all of his attacks are bad, he doesn't attack with a guard, he doesn't guard his lines at all.

i know his attacks are not all crowd control, otherwise demon weapons would be even more stupidly painful.



physical force does basically NOTHING in a proper parry, you're not trying to bash the sword away, a parry is more a less a deflection that your opponent must recover from to be able to do anything again.


also, isn't it weird how vergil insists on sheathing yamato after every attack? i don't use katanas, and i likely never will, but i just don't see the logic behind it, just a random thought.

It not teleporting to his hand doesn't change the fact that all neutral and angle attacks come out the second you press the button.
And what makes his attacks anymore telegraphed than Vergil's?
And neither of them attack with guard. They both leave themselves just as open to being hit.

 

[Nero DAnte]

It not teleporting to his hand doesn't change the fact that all neutral and angle attacks come out the second you press the button.
And what makes his attacks anymore telegraphed than Vergil's?
And neither of them attack with guard. They both leave themselves just as open to being hit.

Nope.Dante is more of a 'i dont need to guard to win' and Vergil's sort of a casual fighter,like a striking snake,fast but fatal

 

[seraphmaycry]

It not teleporting to his hand doesn't change the fact that all neutral and angle attacks come out the second you press the button.
And what makes his attacks anymore telegraphed than Vergil's?
And neither of them attack with guard. They both leave themselves just as open to being hit.

no, Dante moves his arm specifically to get the sword, if it was sheathed normally, then that wouldn't happen.

what makes his attacks more telegraphed then vergil? easy, vergil slices and slashes, Dante swings his sword, but he doesn't actually stop when he hits somethings, he could not only pull of combos quicker, but he would be less exposed that way. vergil is more skilled and has a katana, even though i disagree with katanas being perfect or whatever, they were designed to be unsheathed and swung in a single motion, much quicker, vergil, even the orignial vergil, didn't go over the top nearly as much, standard combo was fine and fluid motions with a not quite perfect unsheathe at the end, it does admittedly go to far, both vergils have a fine aerial attack, and that uppercut slice is just facepalm, so muuuch overdo.

exactly, i totally agree, even though vergil is well honed and precise, he'd still only be ranked n00b in any fencing club if you take away his powers, same for Dante they are both overall very disappointing, although if all the motions were perfect i'm pretty sure they'd be much harder to contol, dmc3 Dante is also stupidly sloppy and really should have died with things like that overthetop rebbelion pause combo against vergil.

both of those guys could be easily killed without their advantages over humans, hell, i reckon i stand a chance, just move back and impale them when they are don attacking.

it's like watching two n00bs at fencing, they just end up killing each other equally, with generally sucks.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

no, Dante moves his arm specifically to get the sword, if it was sheathed normally, then that wouldn't happen.

what makes his attacks more telegraphed then vergil? easy, vergil slices and slashes, Dante swings his sword, but he doesn't actually stop when he hits somethings, he could not only pull of combos quicker, but he would be less exposed that way. vergil is more skilled and has a katana, even though i disagree with katanas being perfect or whatever, they were designed to be unsheathed and swung in a single motion, much quicker, vergil, even the orignial vergil, didn't go over the top nearly as much, standard combo was fine and fluid motions with a not quite perfect unsheathe at the end, it does admittedly go to far, both vergils have a fine aerial attack, and that uppercut slice is just facepalm, so muuuch overdo.

exactly, i totally agree, even though vergil is well honed and precise, he'd still only be ranked n00b in any fencing club if you take away his powers, same for Dante they are both overall very disappointing, although if all the motions were perfect i'm pretty sure they'd be much harder to contol, dmc3 Dante is also stupidly sloppy and really should have died with things like that overthetop rebbelion pause combo against vergil.

both of those guys could be easily killed without their advantages over humans, hell, i reckon i stand a chance, just move back and impale them when they are don attacking.

it's like watching two n00bs at fencing, they just end up killing each other equally, with generally sucks.

No, just like Dante, most of his angle and neutral attacks go through enemies.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Regardless of Dante's "telegraphs", the fact remains that almost any foe has a weakness to exploit. Except maybe Seth from SFIV or some other "unbeatable" boss.