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DmC Needs To Succeed (And Other Harsh Truths)

Excellent post you quoted OP. The person there makes some very good points. I'd read an article somewhere a long time ago about the hardships that Capcom has been dealing with. They've had to make some pretty tough decisions which have put them on the fast track to the Pariah status that plagues others, most notably EA and Activision.

As eloquently written as it is, the rough message is "buy DmC or no more Devil May Cry." It's hard to argue with something backed by so much fact, but if people don't want to buy the game they will not. Really there's no shame in wanting something good to end before it stops being just that: good.

It sounds broody when people say that Devil May Cry is already dead with this reboot, but they have a point (though I doubt they realize it). If DmC fails, Devil May Cry could very well be on a hiatus for a long time. We saw it happen with Marvel Vs. Capcom which was on hiatus for a decade. If DmC is successful then Capcom will see that Devil May Cry is worth more investing in production, but it will likely not be for Devil May Cry as you know it. Let me elaborate.
Say DmC is successful. Would a studio then say "Alright, we made our quick buck on this. Lets go back to making it the way we were"? Of course not. If DmC makes money then it could very well be DmC 2 hitting store shelves.
Tell yourselves that you should buy DmC so they can afford Devil May Cry 5, but realize that if DmC continues to outperform the original universe it'll ultimately be the one that survives.

It seems like Devil May Cry fans are between something of a rock and a hard place.
Do you embrace the blasphemous new image, or protest by not buying? Neither one guarantees the return of the series as you know it, but one could guarantee its death in all forms.
 
cheezMcNASTY said:
Excellent post you quoted OP. The person there makes some very good points. I'd read an article somewhere a long time ago about the hardships that Capcom has been dealing with. They've had to make some pretty tough decisions which have put them on the fast track to the Pariah status that plagues others, most notably EA and Activision.

As eloquently written as it is, the rough message is "buy DmC or no more Devil May Cry." It's hard to argue with something backed by so much fact, but if people don't want to buy the game they will not. Really there's no shame in wanting something good to end before it stops being just that: good.

It sounds broody when people say that Devil May Cry is already dead with this reboot, but they have a point (though I doubt they realize it). If DmC fails, Devil May Cry could very well be on a hiatus for a long time. We saw it happen with Marvel Vs. Capcom which was on hiatus for a decade. If DmC is successful then Capcom will see that Devil May Cry is worth more investing in production, but it will likely not be for Devil May Cry as you know it. Let me elaborate.
Say DmC is successful. Would a studio then say "Alright, we made our quick buck on this. Lets go back to making it the way we were"? Of course not. If DmC makes money then it could very well be DmC 2 hitting store shelves.
Tell yourselves that you should buy DmC so they can afford Devil May Cry 5, but realize that if DmC continues to outperform the original universe it'll ultimately be the one that survives.

It seems like Devil May Cry fans are between something of a rock and a hard place.
Do you embrace the blasphemous new image, or protest by not buying? Neither one guarantees the return of the series as you know it, but one could guarantee its death in all forms.
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True it is a lose-lose situation
Devil may cry is not getting much notoriety these days (even though it remains capcoms third most successful series ) but even if Devil may Cry does succeed among devil may cry fans it still won't reach the sales capcom expect it to reach
so anyway it goes we will probably lose
 
“Nothing ever dies as long as it’s not forgotten” Just thought I’d throw that in there ^^
If no one buys DmC, they’ll probably give up on both DMC and DmC for a while. If the game does do well, I think it more likely for Capcom to make a DmC2 over DMC5 since they may get the message that people prefer the reboot. Hell forbid!
 
if DmC succeeds we will get DmC2 or Devil May Cry 5 or maybe both (not very likely but it would be great if they did)

if DmC fails we might get DMC5 eventually but it could be a very long time or it might not happen at all
 
The "article" quoted from Ninja theory forums don't explain the history of Capcom series.
For example Megaman games...

What happened there. Did Capcom go from original game to a new "reboot", then from reboot back to original game?
I don't think that's the case.

It's clear it's a post written by a Ninja theory fan so that people will buy DmC to "save" DMC.

P.S If DmC and DMC dies then everyone can go to Bayonetta (if your a gameplay type)
 
CoolDemon said:
It's clear it's a post written by a Ninja theory fan so that people will buy DmC to "save" DMC.
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Are you sure? I've heard of people being fans of a game series, but never a studio.

Believe what you like but it sounds a little bit like a conspiracy theory to my ears.
I don't mean to knock what you're saying, believe what you like. For all I know you could be right.
 
cheezMcNASTY said:
^ Are you sure? I've heard of people being fans of a game series, but never a studio.

Believe what you like but it sounds a little bit like a conspiracy theory to my ears.
I don't mean to knock what you're saying, believe what you like. For all I know you could be right.
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If you liked game A and B that Game company released. And you were aware that the games were released by X company. Wouldn't that be enough for you to think "I like their work, i can't wait for next game they make"? In other words a fan?

The focus of DmC controversy has been on haters to much. If there are people who are called "DmC haters", then how is it unlikely that there are people who are Ninja theory fans?

DmC controversy has following groups in it:
Ninja theory fans
DMC fans
Causual gamers
Capcom fans (?)

The article is from a Ninja theory forum, and it talks about Capcom history of dumping games, but i question if Capcom has a history of going back to original games after a reboot.
Because if Capcom has a history of dumping games, then there must be a history of Capcom going back to original games since the guy behind article suggest that if we buy DmC then DMC will come back.

It's not unlikely that Ninja theory fans would promote DmC for Ninja theory.
 
CoolDemon said:
If you liked game A and B that Game company released. And you were aware that the games were released by X company. Wouldn't that be enough for you to think "I like their work, i can't wait for next game they make"? In other words a fan?

The focus of DmC controversy has been on haters to much. If there are people who are called "DmC haters", then how is it unlikely that there are people who are Ninja theory fans?

DmC controversy has following groups in it:
Ninja theory fans
DMC fans
Causual gamers
Capcom fans (?)

The article is from a Ninja theory forum, and it talks about Capcom history of dumping games, but i question if Capcom has a history of going back to original games after a reboot.
Because if Capcom has a history of dumping games, then there must be a history of Capcom going back to original games since the guy behind article suggest that if we buy DmC then DMC will come back.

It's not unlikely that Ninja theory fans would promote DmC for Ninja theory.
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I'd call it being a fan of a series. New company makes it, you aren't upset because it's going to a different studio, you're upset because the game could be different. You could step up right now and say you personally feel that way about the original studio, but I would read it and think that you were saying it purely for the sake of the discussion. There's no way for me to know whether it's really true or not.

Just like how I don't think someone would sign up for the Ninja Theory forum because they like Ninja Theory, but because they are fans of a specific game made by them. I'm a member of the Bungie forums. Why? Because I like Halo. I don't bother visiting the forums dedicated to Myst or Marathon because I never played those games.

But whatever. Like I said it's all conjecture on both our parts. Believe what you like, either of us could be right, neither of us will ever know.
 
So, better to have a version we don't want to nothing at all? It's this or nothing? Well, we've no choice is what you are seying, then.

Here's my possition on that; Capcom desided that the only way to rise from this econimic rot is to put quantaty over quality. Let's make more games, triple our anual game production by stop making games altogether and letting other other developers (western ones, mostly it seems) do them for us. Capcom has decided that it's more important to sell well with large numbers than with good products, and while I love what they've done before they've dug themselves into this hole because they've turned their studio into another business with a business philosophy and not one of a creative studio, a leason that Disney had to learn the hard way when they almost closed down their animation studio to focus on theme park sales because of a very bussines like way of running a creative studio and if it weren't for John Laseter they would have. Yeah, it's happening to all of Japan's giants, the artist been made into bussines men, and it doesn't look like they'll slow down and unless they do something to remedy it all the giants will be left behind and the little guys who put substance over profit will, ironicly enough, profit.

Capcom doesn't seem to think that there is anything wrong with this strategy, it's not that different than the one they've used in the past, it's the same thing that led to DMC4's development and to development of DmC: It's more important to make a game that'll bring in sales than a good one. You'd think that that'd be a good sales strategy, why not? Blockbuster films are made with that philosophy but eventually that looses it's appeal and people start looking for other more unique things and so far DmC seems like it's in par in terms of game quality to DMC4. At least the story will be good.

Now, do I think that DmC will sell? Yes, it most certainly will, but I don't think that the appeal will last long, provably last as long as DMC4's did, nor will it make or brake Capcom in the way that is been incinuated, nor will it lead to a sequel to the original series. From where I stand and from what I see it will only lead to a potential DmC2 or the end of the series, and that's it; we really are left with practicly nothing else.

Capcom's future depends on how they make their game more than how many they dish out. DMC would provably be in a better place if they had decided to make a game that pushed the series in terms of story and gameplay rather than making a product made from recycled game parts (which I'm willing to bet money that the code for DMC4 is almost entirely copy and paste from 3) and a story revolving around a protagonist that was made to attrack women's sale (not to mention that they made a game that was specificaly not scary so they could sell to a larger female audience). Capcom lost sight of what is at the heart of the series and we are left with two options, ether pay for a product we don't want or with nothing at all. Well, I'm not supporting this, I'm just not.

I'm not going to tell you what to do, I'm just telling you what my possition in this and that is that this bulls#!@ senario is Capcom's poor judgemnt in philosophy. Well I've gone on too long. It's sad but I know that there will be no more DMC titles, only DmC ones (starting with a movie).
 
Capcom might be in an economic crisis, but they are still making quality games. It's not like all they make are alot of crap. I doubt they would actually spend money on hiring a company like Ninja Theory AND the Avatar crew for making the new Devil May Cry if they weren't going to make it a quality game. So saying Capcom go for quantity over quality is just plain wrong.
 
I think the problem with Capcom is the upper management's decisions where money is concerned. Their content is quality, it's just the way they ration that quality out in doses for full price.
 
berto said:
So, better to have a version we don't want to nothing at all? It's this or nothing? Well, we've no choice is what you are seying, then.

Here's my possition on that; Capcom desided that the only way to rise from this econimic rot is to put quantaty over quality. Let's make more games, triple our anual game production by stop making games altogether and letting other other developers (western ones, mostly it seems) do them for us. Capcom has decided that it's more important to sell well with large numbers than with good products, and while I love what they've done before they've dug themselves into this hole because they've turned their studio into another business with a business philosophy and not one of a creative studio, a leason that Disney had to learn the hard way when they almost closed down their animation studio to focus on theme park sales because of a very bussines like way of running a creative studio and if it weren't for John Laseter they would have. Yeah, it's happening to all of Japan's giants, the artist been made into bussines men, and it doesn't look like they'll slow down and unless they do something to remedy it all the giants will be left behind and the little guys who put substance over profit will, ironicly enough, profit.

Capcom doesn't seem to think that there is anything wrong with this strategy, it's not that different than the one they've used in the past, it's the same thing that led to DMC4's development and to development of DmC: It's more important to make a game that'll bring in sales than a good one. You'd think that that'd be a good sales strategy, why not? Blockbuster films are made with that philosophy but eventually that looses it's appeal and people start looking for other more unique things and so far DmC seems like it's in par in terms of game quality to DMC4. At least the story will be good.

Now, do I think that DmC will sell? Yes, it most certainly will, but I don't think that the appeal will last long, provably last as long as DMC4's did, nor will it make or brake Capcom in the way that is been incinuated, nor will it lead to a sequel to the original series. From where I stand and from what I see it will only lead to a potential DmC2 or the end of the series, and that's it; we really are left with practicly nothing else.

Capcom's future depends on how they make their game more than how many they dish out. DMC would provably be in a better place if they had decided to make a game that pushed the series in terms of story and gameplay rather than making a product made from recycled game parts (which I'm willing to bet money that the code for DMC4 is almost entirely copy and paste from 3) and a story revolving around a protagonist that was made to attrack women's sale (not to mention that they made a game that was specificaly not scary so they could sell to a larger female audience). Capcom lost sight of what is at the heart of the series and we are left with two options, ether pay for a product we don't want or with nothing at all. Well, I'm not supporting this, I'm just not.

I'm not going to tell you what to do, I'm just telling you what my possition in this and that is that this bulls#!@ senario is Capcom's poor judgemnt in philosophy. Well I've gone on too long. It's sad but I know that there will be no more DMC titles, only DmC ones (starting with a movie).
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All of japans giants
there hasn't been a godzilla movie since 2004
then again he did have a crapload of movies
but they were all good except for the 1998 one that became cannon and showed up in Final wars with the name of Zilla
 
mrrandomlulz said:
All of japans giants
there hasn't been a godzilla movie since 2004
then again he did have a crapload of movies
but they were all good except for the 1998 one that became cannon and showed up in Final wars with the name of Zilla
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Ok, first of all, HA! That's funny. Second, why would you quote my whole post? You just doubled the size of the page.
 
Great: Gojira, Godzilla vs mothra, Godzilla vs biollante, godzilla vs. destroyah, Gmk.
 
This is like making Batman chinese and saying unless the batman chinese movie is a hit, there will be no batman at all. well, then fine i guess, most games i played as a lil kid are dead, so i rather have Dante be with dignity than an imposter to make money for capcom.
 
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