DmC: Is it superior story wise?

[DMCGamer1989]

Well, back on topic, we can't really say which is a superior story, we can point out aspects but in the end, both have undeniable strong points.

 

[Chancey289]

My cousin and her husband live there and he says that the work hours and deadlines are insane and some companies even have screaming rooms for employees to vent out their frustrations without causing trouble in the workplace, they even have policies where employees can't be held accountable for what they say to their bosses at a bar, so yeah, it's rough. I never argued about that point, but since Japan was my subject of discussion, I chose their style of cartoon, hell if you don't like that example, look at their style of comedy and their game shows.

I know people who live there and I've stayed there for 2 months myself. Overall, Japan is relatively the same as living almost every where else in the world. The internet paints out Japan as the patron saint of weird or adorable. Going there it isn't as much culture shock people might think or hope. I'm not saying stay away because it's an amazing place to visit but it isn't really what some people think it is. It's just like living anywhere else at the end of the day.

 

[Loopy]

I know people who live there and I've stayed there for 2 months myself. Overall, Japan is relatively the same as living almost every where else in the world. The internet paints out Japan as the patron saint of weird or adorable. Going there it isn't as much culture shock people might think or hope. I'm not saying stay away because it's an amazing place to visit but it isn't really what some people think it is. It's just like living anywhere else at the end of the day.

And if it's not the land of wacky and cool, it's the land of perverts and idol loving weirdos....:/ It is like any other place if you go to Tokyo, but for a technologically advanced place, they do a lot of things by paperwork. It's frustrating. And the gas heaters take some getting used to when you're used to a house with central heating and radiators.
Other aspects are different...social customs and manners...at least being a foreigner it's forgiven if you slip up.

Well, back on topic, we can't really say which is a superior story, we can point out aspects but in the end, both have undeniable strong points.

So each side wins.
I still have nostalgia for the classic games, but I wish they had been more consistent with the story even if it was not the main focus of the game. Besides, I'm not sure where the plot would have gone after DMC4. DMC2 was the latest story wise and Dante was in hell with his fate uncertain.

 

[DMCGamer1989]

I know people who live there and I've stayed there for 2 months myself. Overall, Japan is relatively the same as living almost every where else in the world. The internet paints out Japan as the patron saint of weird or adorable. Going there it isn't as much culture shock people might think or hope. I'm not saying stay away because it's an amazing place to visit but it isn't really what some people think it is. It's just like living anywhere else at the end of the day.

Well, yes basically, those who don't have those stressful jobs are pretty much your average joes, but the things I brought up were minor cultural differences, but in the end, I see your point.

 

[DMCGamer1989]

And if it's not the land of wacky and cool, it's the land of perverts and idol loving weirdos....:/ It is like any other place if you go to Tokyo, but for a technologically advanced place, they do a lot of things by paperwork. It's frustrating. And the gas heaters take some getting used to when you're used to a house with central heating and radiators.
Other aspects are different...social customs and manners...at least being a foreigner it's forgiven if you slip up.


So each side wins.
I still have nostalgia for the classic games, but I wish they had been more consistent with the story even if it was not the main focus of the game. Besides, I'm not sure where the plot would have gone after DMC4. DMC2 was the latest story wise and Dante was in hell with his fate uncertain.

Yes, thank you for your response. And with what they learned from NT, both on what to do and what not to do. DMC2's sequel (if ever) Could have the first levels play out as an escape from hell and I agree, DMC's plot lacks consistency but I'm sure they can still redeem themselves.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Loopy the reason DMC story went off the tracks i.e not being consistent anymore is because Hideki Kamiya left Capcom. It is not because of consistency was not the focus of the game. If you look at DMC 1, you will see a good balance of serious scenes and funny ones.
And here is a twitter convo where Kamiya says he wrote the story of DMC

 

[Loopy]

Loopy the reason DMC story went off the tracks i.e not being consistent anymore is because Hideki Kamiya left Capcom. It is not because of consistency was not the focus of the game. If you look at DMC 1, you will see a good balance of serious scenes and funny ones.
And here is a twitter convo where Kamiya says he wrote the story of DMC
http://i47.tinypic.com/241s3nb.png

Yep he left and the games went...well we know how they went.
But DMC, even when trying to be serious was cheesy to me. Like the 'fill your dark soul with liiight' line:troll: That was comparable to Nero screaming 'KYRIEEEE!' and then crying....and his tears sparkled. It comes to something when the only thing I remember of Nero was that shameful display. >_<
Besides, by DMC4, the games weren't serious anyway....at least I don't think they were trying to be what with Dante reverting back to his DMC3 self. DMC1 had a stab at being serious, but plot was not the main concern; gameplay was, and I'm glad it's that way otherwise DMC would not have become known for its stylish gameplay with hack and slash action.
Maybe they could have salvaged a coherent plot if Kamiya had stayed...oh well....

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Yep he left and the games went...well we know how they went.
But DMC, even when trying to be serious was cheesy to me. Like the 'fill your dark soul with liiight' line:troll: That was comparable to Nero screaming 'KYRIEEEE!' and then crying....and his tears sparkled. It comes to something when the only thing I remember of Nero was that shameful display. >_<
Besides, by DMC4, the games weren't serious anyway....at least I don't think they were trying to be what with Dante reverting back to his DMC3 self. DMC1 had a stab at being serious, but plot was not the main concern; gameplay was, and I'm glad it's that way otherwise DMC would not have become known for its stylish gameplay with hack and slash action.
Maybe they could have salvaged a coherent plot if Kamiya had stayed...oh well....

Well DMC 1 was in 2001. And back Gaming industry was starting to evolve.
And DMC was NEVER a story driven game. I don't think DMC 1 story was great. I think it was barely good. But it had good things in it.

And yes that particular line is very cheesy. But your dismissing DMC 1's story based on 1 line, and that is really bad.

4:00 - Dante showing compassion
5:04-5:47 Dante expressing his dislike of Mundus
13:15 Dante saving Trish even though she betrayed him
14:20 Dante giving a profound speech about difference between his mother and Trish

Like i said the story is barely good. But we are in year 2013, and i am looking at cutscenes from a game released in 2001. Saying "Eww that sucks!" isn't really fair.

DmC and DMC 4's circumstances were different than DMC 1's. By that i mean DMC 1 did not have a already established gameplay formula to reproduce. So there was more work to be done as well.

 

[Chancey289]

Yep he left and the games went...well we know how they went.
But DMC, even when trying to be serious was cheesy to me. Like the 'fill your dark soul with liiight' line:troll: That was comparable to Nero screaming 'KYRIEEEE!' and then crying....and his tears sparkled. It comes to something when the only thing I remember of Nero was that shameful display. >_<
Besides, by DMC4, the games weren't serious anyway....at least I don't think they were trying to be what with Dante reverting back to his DMC3 self. DMC1 had a stab at being serious, but plot was not the main concern; gameplay was, and I'm glad it's that way otherwise DMC would not have become known for its stylish gameplay with hack and slash action.
Maybe they could have salvaged a coherent plot if Kamiya had stayed...oh well....

If Kamiya stayed on board maybe some of that spirit the first game had could have stayed. As far as his writing goes, yea you wrote DMC 1 Kamiya but you also created Bayonetta and that is well........are you serious? Maybe Devil May Cry should seek out good writers in general to handle that stuff because man does this series need some real talent in that department. Even though it might never happen Neil Gaimen could bring some real cred to a Devil May Cry story.

 

[Chancey289]

Well DMC 1 was in 2001. And back Gaming industry was starting to evolve.
And DMC was NEVER a story driven game. I don't think DMC 1 story was great. I think it was barely good. But it had good things in it.

And yes that particular line is very cheesy. But your dismissing DMC 1's story based on 1 line, and that is really bad.

4:00 - Dante showing compassion
5:04-5:47 Dante expressing his dislike of Mundus
13:15 Dante saving Trish even though she betrayed him
14:20 Dante giving a profound speech about difference between his mother and Trish

Like i said the story is barely good. But we are in year 2013, and i am looking at cutscenes from a game released in 2001. Saying "Eww that sucks!" isn't really fair.

DmC and DMC 4's circumstances were different than DMC 1's. By that i mean DMC 1 did not have a already established gameplay formula to reproduce. So there was more work to be done as well.

I think the best way to describe DMC 1's story you shouldn't use the word great. Simple is more like it.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

If Kamiya stayed on board maybe some of that spirit the first game had could have stayed. As far as his writing goes, yea you wrote DMC 1 Kamiya but you also created Bayonetta and that is well........are you serious? Maybe Devil May Cry should seek out good writers in general to handle that stuff because man does this series need some real talent in that department. Even though it might never happen Neil Gaimen could bring some real cred to a Devil May Cry story.

Well Bayo wasn't just made by Kamiya. Besides, he clearly expressed that they weren't going for a deep story.
And when someone OBVIOUSLY is not doing that, then it's no point saying "Look at that crap story".

 

[Loopy]

Well DMC 1 was in 2001. And back Gaming industry was starting to evolve.
And DMC was NEVER a story driven game. I don't think DMC 1 story was great. I think it was barely good. But it had good things in it.No it wasn't. It was about the stylish gameplay like I said.

And yes that particular line is very cheesy. But your dismissing DMC 1's story based on 1 line, and that is really bad.I'm not dismissing it based on one line. I was giving an example. I went on to say that the game was not about plot anyway in DMC1 so a good plot should not be expected. The plot was there to hold the fighting and gaming together.

4:00 - Dante showing compassion
5:04-5:47 Dante expressing his dislike of Mundus
13:15 Dante saving Trish even though she betrayed him
14:20 Dante giving a profound speech about difference between his mother and Trish
But all of these examples are sudden. There's no leading up to these moments. Dante doesn't grow as a character. Dante is already the Dante we know. He's already the demon hunter unlike DMC3 where he's a bit of an ass with no direction in his life.

Like i said the story is barely good. But we are in year 2013, and i am looking at cutscenes from a game released in 2001. Saying "Eww that sucks!" isn't really fair.I didn't saw 'eww that sucks!'. Grasping at straws. The plot is what it is...well, was what it was. It wasn't meant to be anything other than bare bones to hold a game together. The flesh was the combat.

DmC and DMC 4's circumstances were different than DMC 1's. By that i mean DMC 1 did not have a already established gameplay formula to reproduce. So there was more work to be done as well.

And I wish they had stuck to that formula for DMC2.>_< At least 3 was a massive leap in terms of gameplay. 4 looked nice graphically and Nero did add something new with his devil bringer....but that's about it for me.

 

[Chancey289]

Well Bayo wasn't just made by Kamiya. Besides, he clearly expressed that they weren't going for a deep story.
And when someone OBVIOUSLY is not doing that, then it's no point saying "Look at that crap story".

So if you made a crap story does that make it any less crap? Plus where's the proof that Kamiya is basically showing so little faith in his own ability as a story teller? Makes me lose a bit of respect for a man who works in a creative industry that should encourage creativity more than anything you know. Especially when so many other games can still deliver a great story and fun game with it to get the player even more immersed in the experience. That's like thinking games haven't evolved past the story telling prowess of Pong. Don't you think that you should try and step it up a bit regardless especially if your games clearly are games that include story? It's not like your game is Tetris or something.

And Bayonetta was just stupid all around. The gameplay was ok but everything else about it including the hyper sexualization of an ugly character in my opinion like Bayonetta makes me think this dude is prepubescent or something.

 

[Loopy]

So if you made a crap story does that make it any less crap? Plus where's the proof that Kamiya is basically showing so little faith in his own ability as a story teller? Makes me lose a bit of respect for a man who works in a creative industry that should encourage creativity more than anything you know. Especially when so many other games can still deliver a great story and fun game with it to get the player even more immersed in the experience. That's like thinking games haven't evolved past the story telling prowess of Pong. Don't you think that you should try and step it up a bit regardless especially if your games clearly are games that include story? It's not like your game is Tetris or something.
Design wise Bayonetta was good for me, but the plot was a real stumbling block. But I think Bayonetta was more about the gaemplay than the plot. If it was sold on the merits of its story alone the gam would have been a really big flop.
At least DmC tried something with their story and succeeded in some ways. They had good characterisation and for once the antagonist wasn't a generic villain. And the world of Limbo was certainly creative and tied into the plot, so that was a plus. I just wish they had explained the 'malice' a bit more.

And Bayonetta was just stupid all around. The gameplay was ok but everything else about it including the hyper sexualization of an ugly character in my opinion like Bayonetta makes me think this dude is prepubescent or something.

Got to say the gameplay for Bayonetta was good, but the plot....>_< I also heard you could play the game with one hand, leaving the other free to...you know.:lol: I always thought the was sexualised like that for a joke. She's so sexual that she can't be taken seriously like that. Everything about her was over the top from her clothes to her stylish action.

 

[Chancey289]

Got to say the gameplay for Bayonetta was good, but the plot....>_< I also heard you could play the game with one hand, leaving the other free to...you know.:lol: I always thought the was sexualised like that for a joke. She's so sexual that she can't be taken seriously like that. Everything about her was over the top from her clothes to her stylish action.

Thing is Bayonetta was also made to be an attractive character. She was never designed to be ugly really but I personally think she is. She's got abnormally long limbs with that weird beehive haircut. But do you honestly think someone out there isn't jerking off to Bayonetta even though she is portrayed in a ridiculous manner?There's probably someone out there doing it as we speak. There is loads and loads of rule 34 on that character. I just always thought she was Kamiya'a wet dream in video game form.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Kamiya stated that he wouldn't have kept the same characters. Each installment in the series would have had their own cast to keep things from getting old.

And get old, they did.

However, DMC3 is better in every conceivable way.

Besides, all DMC1 did was take "Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage", and then added Virtua Fighter juggle physics to it. Kamiya claims to have taken the juggle physics from "a bug in Onimusha" but I know better.


This:

Plus this:

Equals this:

Hey, that's great. They have "insane combos!"


continued....

 

[Demi-fiend]

You know who else has "insane combos"??

Smash Bros. 64

^^^^Is that the jump-cancel move I see?? (0:15)

No?

How about this, then?

^^^^(0:05 for jump-cancel... just in case you're impatient :shifty

Quick, someone tell Kamiya that Miyamoto went into the future, stole his original idea, went back to the late 1980's, and put it in Zelda 2!

 

[Chancey289]

Kamiya stated that he wouldn't have kept the same characters. Each installment in the series would have had their own cast to keep things from getting old.

And get old, they did.

However, DMC3 is better in every conceivable way.

Besides, all DMC1 did was take "Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage", and then added Virtua Fighter juggle physics to it. Kamiya claims to have taken the juggle physics from "a bug in Onimusha" but I know better.


This:

Plus this:

Equals this:

Hey, that's great. They have "insane combos!"


continued....

You know that first video you posted. It's rather odd how you'd give a character a giant sword to swing around and then put him in these tiny alley ways that has the guy smacking the wall more than anything like he can't grasp the size of his sword. Kind of silly lol.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Lol, keep in mind that this was during the Dreamcast/PS2 days, when level design was placed only about a step ahead of writing and storytelling.

BURN.

 

[Loopy]

However, DMC3 is better in every conceivable way.

I wish they would make a real remake of DMC3. Get the mocap like DmC, bring back the actors, get some really good graphics and expand upon the plot, add some extra scenes or explore others more. I'd be happy with that.