DmC: Is it superior story wise?

[Sunaka Marién]

When Mundus is watching on monitors what's happening, it gives you idea of who has sent the Swat team. Do you think that the Swat team arrived at orders of human authority? Who do you think is controlling the world? Mundus...
I am well aware of that. What I mean was that it wasn't mentioned that he might have said "Kill the girl if the woman is in danger" :/


Dante and Vergil - 2
Swat team - 4
idk, but if I remember correctly it's always like that in movies, like, them all attacking the target together, because then you'll be more likely to hit vital points and get rid of the threat faster.

The Swat team seems to be there on the order of Mundus, either direct - so why are they not killing Kat cause Mundus order would be "kill the girl if the woman dies". <- Well, maybe he DID give that order, but even so, I'd take out Dante and Vergil first, then take care of the girl.
or indirect: police orders given by Mundus.
And ofc Mundus has portrayed Kat, Dante and Vergil as terrorists through Bob Bargas.
I never doubted that they'd kill Kat at some point, but again: First take care of what currently poses a danger, then take care of the rest.

DmC isn't the first game or film for that matter to have useless guards/ soldiers who can't shoot the target. I think they shot Dante a bit though.

Thanks Loopy And yes, they did hit him, but he wouldn't be Dante if he couldn't take some bullets :shifty:

 

[Chancey289]

I think DmC's story just represents a rule of contrast.

If you have something that just wasn't that great to begin then comparing the new one to the previously sucky one makes it look better.

Devil May Cry's characters and story is not what made me love the video games. Everything Dante and DMC after Devil May Cry 1 is just stupid to me. I hate Dante from 3 and 4. I hate Vergil from 3. I hate every character in 4. I just don't care.

I can dig the social satire and references to stuff like They Live because even though They Live like totally sucks as a film I like it because it's stupid. The over the top satire of all these things like corporations and government is all inflated to ridiculous extents making DmC pay homage to the absurdity the series is known for. There's no way in hell DmC takes itself seriously and seems pretty self aware. When I'm going to traverse a level that has me jumping on evil news icons and billboard signs with a message of rebellion in my face and then face a boss that's the evil Bill O Reilly head then the do you think I'm honestly thinking this game takes itself seriously? That's just silly lol.

The voice acting and performances is better in DmC hands down. These actors they hired seem like they aren't new to the acting scene and they did a pretty good job.

As for the overall story here. The narrative in DmC is the superior one. The story is something that's been done before for anyone who's seen They Live or The Matrix. Hell, even more than that so it isn't all that. But I guess it just pays more homage to its predecessors which were just rip offs of a bunch of cartoons. It sure as hell isn't any worse than the previous games.

The previous games were terribly written and also had awful character development and story telling. 3 was just virtually Inuyasha and Vergil sucked. He was only there because Capcom needed a villain. The dude was just so one dimensional and boring. Dante made me become best buddies with the skip cutscene button though in that game. 4 was basically some weaboos fanfiction. Everything about that crap was just dumb. DMC 1 while straightforward and simple as hell still had the credit for doing it's own thing at the time you know. When sequels rolled around they really lost that spirit that made DMC look like it's own thing in favor of trite trends.

Overall, when you have a game that says they actually want to put effort in to a story this time then yea it's pretty much superior already. The concept designs for DmC makes me think that this was a very different game in the inception phase and Capcom was cutting them down in favor of NT delivering the game faster. Maybe NT should have been allowed to really roll with those ideas because I see in DmC a little of cool ideas that feel cut short. Like the platforming section leading up to Bob Barbas was so cool. I wanted a full level in that place. It just seems like the aesthetics had a lot of cool ideas that were being expanded upon and then cut short. I would have been cool with DmC becoming a next gen title if they were allowed to really add a lot of the ideas and stuff that were cut from their development diaries.

It's ok. I don't think the story is any worse that the dumb stories and characters of the previous games. So the real answer to the question is that the story isn't really superior but more like the DMC story still sucks and the new one really didn't improve on it that much. They are pretty much even.

I sense the personal bias and butthurt is strong in the OP. This wasn't a fair analysis but more so you dissing DmC at every turn and saying the old one was better just because it's your personal preference. That's not how you should do these things man.

 

[Ters]

It certainly tries to be superior. It employs that 13 year old kiddie mentality that being dark and serious makes it better.

That said the plot, if you could call it that, is still pitifully simplistic, the social commentary is about as subtle as an angry bull and the characters and their motivations are completely inconsistent.

It makes me shake my head when people say this tripe is an example of great story in video games. Get above a sixth grade reading level and pick up a damn novel.

 

[DMCGamer1989]

In my opinion, it had the potential to be, but it was a little too in your face about the whole serious and grounded thing, and towards the end, despite the subtle clues and exposition, the development seemed somewhat rushed, but to me, DmC still told a good story.

 

[Onecrazymonkey1]

It makes me shake my head when people say this tripe is an example of great story in video games. Get above a sixth grade reading level and pick up a damn novel.

You certainly don't have to like the game but is it really necessary to insult the people who do? :/

 

[788Masri]

i liked it, i think it played with some interesting concepts and set up the universe nicely. setting up for a very interesting sequel.
[quote="Ters, post: 468606, member: 24795"
It makes me shake my head when people say this tripe is an example of great story in video games. Get above a sixth grade reading level and pick up a damn novel.[/quote]

that's a lot of head shaking (i kid)

its not perfect but is nowhere as bad as youre trying to make it out to be. the darker tone of the story is reflrected in the characters and the general mood of the game. throughout Dante is never posted as the shining night of pure holy righteousness that he is in the past games. they make a point in justifying MUNDUS which was a very good move in my opinion.

 

[MultiBro]

I didn't find it to be bad but not really so good either. Pretty average in short.

I would have liked to see something than "the goverment is corrupt" plot that have been to death by now.

 

[Loopy]

You certainly don't have to like the game but is it really necessary to insult the people who do? :/

Oh dear...apparently if we like DmC we are uneducated peons:troll: How about we like the game because it is fun? And I'm sure many of us on here do read extensively....maybe even....Shakespeare:lol: And he is not the pinnacle of literary greatness.

 

[Sunaka Marién]

It certainly tries to be superior. It employs that 13 year old kiddie mentality that being dark and serious makes it better.

Dark and serious? If anything it's colorful and silly, at least for the most part, it sure has its serious moments, but so did the previous DMCs.

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That said the plot, if you could call it that, is still pitifully simplistic, the social commentary is about as subtle as an angry bull and the characters and their motivations are completely inconsistent.

Well, it is at least more complicated then in previous enstallments :/ And maybe the social commentary wasn't supposed to be subtle but in-yer-face for a comedic effect? I don't see how their motivations are inconsistent, but maybe I'm missing something here.

I would have liked to see something than "the goverment is corrupt" plot that have been to death by now.

Hmm, the way I see it, "corrupt government" was more like a frame, whil the actual plot was about Dante finding out who he is and his place in life. But even though a different frame would have been nice aswell :3

 

[DMCGamer1989]

I didn't find it to be bad but not really so good either. Pretty average in short.

I would have liked to see something than "the goverment is corrupt" plot that have been to death by now.

I would have liked to see more of the demon/angel war.

 

[788Masri]

I didn't find it to be bad but not really so good either. Pretty average in short.

I would have liked to see something than "the goverment is corrupt" plot that have been to death by now.

less government is corrupt and more industry is controlling everyone. a sort of capitalist hell where the rich control the poor via deception when a lie is told over and over so many times it becomes true. i can only think of one other franchise which has used this tho, im blanking on the name.
and hey at least it wasnt "company X has this new Y to destroy/conqur the world

 

[Loopy]

less government is corrupt and more industry is controlling everyone. a sort of capitalist hell where the rich control the poor via deception when a lie is told over and over so many times it becomes true. i can only think of one other franchise which has used this tho, im blanking on the name.
and hey at least it wasnt "company X has this new Y to destroy/conqur the world

Pretty much. Like that 'They Live' film, which NT did say inspired them, but that was aliens instead of demons.
Besides, DMC2 had that Arius guy. He was head of a corporation and wanted demonic power to rule the world. So I guess that's like DmC as well.

 

[788Masri]

Pretty much. Like that 'They Live' film, which NT did say inspired them, but that was aliens instead of demons.
Besides, DMC2 had that Arius guy. He was head of a corporation and wanted demonic power to rule the world. So I guess that's like DmC as well.

THEY LIVE! THATS IT!!! cheers that was going to bug me all night
nah, this is different. DMC2 was more like resident evil where the company will use some evil thing to conquer the world. in DmC the company HAS conquered the world and in reverse. the company didnt conquer it but rather Mundus made it AFTER conquering the world...or used it too.. i dunno the order but point being its a lot cleverer than just using power. point is he HAD infinite power before he made the company.

 

[LysseC]

It certainly tries to be superior. It employs that 13 year old kiddie mentality that being dark and serious makes it better.

That said the plot, if you could call it that, is still pitifully simplistic, the social commentary is about as subtle as an angry bull and the characters and their motivations are completely inconsistent.

It makes me shake my head when people say this tripe is an example of great story in video games. Get above a sixth grade reading level and pick up a damn novel.

I think that no one in here is claiming that this story is comparable to those of great pieces of literature. No one is saying that this story is GREAT in absolute terms, only that it is BETTER than the previous one. There's a difference.

 

[Loopy]

I think that no one in here is claiming that this story is comparable to those of great pieces of literature. No one is saying that this story is GREAT in absolute terms, only that it is BETTER than the previous one. There's a difference.

Besides, who says one piece of literature is superior to another? That is subjective. Whereas to say DmC is better than its predecessor would be more accurate of a comparison.

 

[DMCGamer1989]

It really depends on your preference. People have to understand that the Japanese lifestyle is very hard, with work and some of the strictest school systems you will find, so a crazy over the top story like DMC and most of the anime they enjoy might serve to ease up the stress.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Kat wasn't even a love interest, and thinking Dante did everything just for Kat is really misguided, but considering you went in thinking that, it's not surprising. Dante helping humanity was a result of his feelings that everyone should be free, and after seeing how humanity suffered much worse than even he did, Dante got his act together. He went most of his life not knowing what he really was, and when he was given the chance to learn, he ended up getting used by the one person he thought he could trust (Vergil), and in the end, he had to finally make his own decision, and that choice was freedom for everyone.

Mundus controlling the world through debt and subterfuge instead of brute force I reply with my earlier post on how ingenious something like that actually is.

Comparing the endings, I don't think you understand what "cold blood" means, because DMC3 certainly wasn't a battle fought in cold blood, it was reluctance. Similarly, so was DmC's final battle, and Dante feeling lost and alone is an ample emotion to feel considering he's one of two known from an extinct race, and the one person he felt he could really relate to, his brother by family and race, left him.

Dinging a game because "no one asked for this plot" sounds really damn selfish, and it can be creatively robbing. nobody asked for DMC1 when we wanted Resident Evil 4, but hey! People liked it! People didn't ask for SquareSoft teaming up with Disney, but BAM! massively successful new franchise. Regardless of what people ask for, DmC is what we got, and plenty of people liked it.

 

[Chancey289]

It really depends on your preference. People have to understand that the Japanese lifestyle is very hard, with work and some of the strictest school systems you will find, so a crazy over the top story like DMC and most of the anime they enjoy might serve to ease up the stress.

And what do you really know about Japanese lifestyle besides on what you think it is? Do you think anime in general is really so cultural accepted and somehow only speaks to them the most? Anime and cartoons are the same exact thing and over there liking anime is put in the same exact light as an adult who may enjoy cartoons here. It's considered childish for the most part.

 

[Loopy]

And what do you really know about Japanese lifestyle besides on what you think it is? Do you think anime in general is really so cultural accepted and somehow only speaks to them the most? Anime and cartoons are the same exact thing and over there liking anime is put in the same exact light as an adult who may enjoy cartoons here. It's considered childish for the most part.

I get what the poster means though. Life in Japan is long hours, very long hours and a lot of pressure and bullying at school to get into the right secondary school or university.
But gaming and anime culture...well, it's not widely accepted in Japan. Especially with the image of otaku, wota and hikkikomori people. If there's a crime and the person doing it is one of those, a big deal is made out of it. My teacher once said otaku give a bad image to Japan.

 

[DMCGamer1989]

And what do you really know about Japanese lifestyle besides on what you think it is? Do you think anime in general is really so cultural accepted and somehow only speaks to them the most? Anime and cartoons are the same exact thing and over there liking anime is put in the same exact light as an adult who may enjoy cartoons here. It's considered childish for the most part.

My cousin and her husband live there and he says that the work hours and deadlines are insane and some companies even have screaming rooms for employees to vent out their frustrations without causing trouble in the workplace, they even have policies where employees can't be held accountable for what they say to their bosses at a bar, so yeah, it's rough. I never argued about that point, but since Japan was my subject of discussion, I chose their style of cartoon, hell if you don't like that example, look at their style of comedy and their game shows.