DmC Intellectual Discussion

[EllDawn]

I tend to think that, when backed into a corner and forced to make their own decisions, people can make the required changes to make the world a better place. That's basically what Dante ended up doing, forcing the humans to open their eyes and change. And since people are basically like cockroaches, I do believe Dante was right in not letting Vergil take control. Guidance can be a good thing, but there's no telling how long before it's taken too far.

For the most part I do tend to be pessimistic about humanity in general. I've always believed humans will destroy themselves. And yet I do recognize that people can be resilient. The problem is people get too comfortable and it takes something extreme to make them realize they need to do something. As for the humans in DmC, given enough time, I know they'll be able to get back on track. If they pull together and don't take on the mob mentality instead of focusing on rebuilding, they'll make it.

 

[seraphmaycry]

i dont have high hopes for the human race as a whole after seeing what people to do themselves because of what random strangers think of them or what everyone else is doing just because they are doing it

it is better not to have people being mindless and taking down mundus was good but vergil was not thinking about the humans clearly and dante did nothing or little about until AFTER realizing there was a problem both brothers needed to consider the effect this would have not just on limbo but the world as a whole people are starting to die left and right the militiary will make nuclear super weapons and blow up the world as most human weaponry is useless (im serious about the nukes here not much else we have would do anything) vergil was right a ruler was needed dante was acting quite stupid to be honest the humans would be enslaved but it would be reduced from mundus and after a while even that can go away

the ending of DmC dissapointed me as vergil was portrayed as the horrible evil villian who happily killed thousands of puppies everyday while dante was literally made into a saint (humanities protector, seriously?) i felt like it was telling us not to conform with mundus evil ways and then conform against the conformity to me the game did not send a major message across at all

those are my thoughs i don't have much else to say on the ending

 

[LysseC]

the ending of DmC dissapointed me as vergil was portrayed as the horrible evil villian who happily killed thousands of puppies everyday while dante was literally made into a saint (humanities protector, seriously?) i felt like it was telling us not to conform with mundus evil ways and then conform against the conformity to me the game did not send a major message across at all

those are my thoughs i don't have much else to say on the ending

Totally agree on that, a more open ending would have been awesome. That's why I'd really like to see Vergil regain his wita and becoming a beacon for humanity in their fight against demons. Not that this is going to happen anytime soon after VD but a fangirl still can dream right?

 

[Jak]

since dante doesn't want to be a king, that means that people are going to start alliances. start hunting demons. maybe a religious group would see dante as the anti christ and try to kill him after he starts saying things like "i did it to protect you" and stuff like that. maybe they just might try to kill him for the simple fact that he has supernatural abilities. then demon hunting factions would start opening up and dante could end up being hunted. now, not just by demon hunters, but vergil himself. the world would end up a very messy place.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

I just wonder who will stop demons from killing humans.

Its funny how you guys who are fan of DmC, and those who arent fan cant understand one simple thing:

when was a human a simply weak thing?

"Sure a human lack the physical capability of a demon but human posess something a demon dont..." - Dante

"Kat saved us and helped us - a human!" - NTDante


Humans will be alright.

 

[Jak]

Its funny how you guys who are fan of DmC, and those who arent fan cant understand one simple thing:

when was a human a simply weak thing?

"Sure a human lack the physical capability of a demon but human posess something a demon dont..." - Dante

"Kat saved us and helped us - a human!" - NTDante


Humans will be alright.

you guys adapt. its in your nature.

 

[LysseC]

If demons were like beasts I would agree with you. humans have learned to deal with wild ferocious animals, using their wits to compensate for their lack of natural weapons (claws, sharp teeth, a stronger body, poison...). But demons are not like wild beasts: they are intelligent like humans (at least, higher demons like Sparda, Mundus or Barbas are), and I am sure they can create weapons as deadly as ours (or use ours if need be).
Demons have all the weapons we have, and some more (their supernatural powers). Maybe humans can still win, but it will be difficult, very much so. The outcome is not so certain.

This is purely materialistic terms. The "Humans possess something demons don't" is referring to some "moral miracle" that should save humans in the end (kinda what happens in many movies' final battles: the protagonist is on the verge of losing to the superior strength of his opponent but at the very last moment he finds in himself some inner strength that saves the day). Well, if I am to be realistic, moral miracles very rarely happen: in real life if the bad guy is strong, the good guy is most probably gonna lose, no matter how good he is.
I'm getting pretty tired of moral miracles, tbh. Let the good guy win because he is the f*cking strongest guy around, no doubts of it from the beginning of the damn final battle. Like Dante does with Vergil in DmC Mission 20. Let us learn our nitzschean lesson: the stronger wins because he is stronger.

So, yeah, sorry for my rant, I'm pretty pi$$ed of tonight for reasons of my own. Ignore the previous paragraph.
What I meant to say is that maybe humans can find a way to fend off demons, but we can't be so sure of it from the beginning, shrug the problem off like it is no real deal, because some moral miracle is gonna save us in the end. The outcome is not so easily predictable.
I'm not thinking that humans will be powerless like an infant. But neither that they will surely be alright. The problem is real, pretty damn real.

 

[Martius]

Its funny how you guys who are fan of DmC, and those who arent fan cant understand one simple thing:

when was a human a simply weak thing?

"Sure a human lack the physical capability of a demon but human posess something a demon dont..." - Dante

"Kat saved us and helped us - a human!" - NTDante


Humans will be alright.

So you are saying ordinary people with not actual combat experience will be able to take down at least one demon - a supernatural being? I really doubt in that.

 

[Jak]

So you are saying ordinary people with not actual combat experience will be able to take down at least one demon - a supernatural being? I really doubt in that.

he's not being literal. he's saying that humans are ten ****s of crazy (which you all are by the way), but in the best way possible. you fight til your last breath. you refuse to surrender even in impossible situations. you have a moral value that is untouchable (sadly it usually only kicks in when you feel threatened as a whole), and you have a "give em hell" attitude. thats what makes humans stronger than both angels and demons.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

I am saying your underestimating humans.

We made guns, new technology, computers, air planes, etc

And when you push a group of humans to the edge, few individuals will high intellect or strength will come forth.

Take Kat for e.g, why can she travel as a spirit? Isnt she a "human" ?
Isnt humans supposed to not have these supernatural abilities? So why does she?

Human individuals will depend on their own abilities and intellect, and will adapt and then become better at killing demons.

 

[Chancey289]

People can be brought together when they realize they are all going to be dealing with the same issues. We have done that time and time again throughout history. We're not always walking on some thin ice that separates order from a world of total chaos full of insane people looking for a reason to go nuts. I'd give the human race more credit than that because I don't see the fascination with the downfall of society people have. Here's an example.


If I remember correctly this took place in Ohio. There was a major blackout that lasted a week. Thing is, people were saying that if the town would just blackout like this it would erupt in to total chaos. A lot of bad things were gonna happen because people would see the lights going out as a turning the crazy switch on.

You know what happened? People just went outside and came together as a community. Held BBQs with their neighbors and families. Kids were playing outside getting some good old fresh air instead of staying cooped up in a house. It was actually rather nice. Where's that anarchy town people were talking about? Oh what do you know. It looks like people can just come together and be decent human beings after all.

Point is, while we are an imperfect species that definitely needs to work things out, we are also capable of thriving and coming together to make things better and make the best of things.

In DmC, I don't think liberation would mean collapse. More like waking up from a bad dream and trying to start the new day off on the right foot as best you can.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

The post begins with a bad premiss. You assume humans are weak or incapable of existing in anarchy or taking right decisions.
I went to Devil May Cry 1 universe and asked Dante "What do you think of the situation of DmC universe after reboot Mundus fell, do you think humans will go extinct as result of chaos and demons?"

This is what Dante had to say - his answer.

 

[EllDawn]

One thing that would help humans win against demons is the fact the demons are more likely to turn against each other. Humans, when faced with a common enemy, will often put aside their differences and look at the main goal. Demons are more likely to try competing for control, or favor. That's where humans would have a better chance of defeating them. Add the fact that Dante is there to fight and the humans probably won't be facing the more powerful demons, anyway.

As for the humans hating Dante, I doubt it would be that hard for him to disappear. He practically did it before, with his new determination it shouldn't be too difficult for him to do it again.

 

[Chancey289]

One thing that would help humans win against demons is the fact the demons are more likely to turn against each other. Humans, when faced with a common enemy, will often put aside their differences and look at the main goal. Demons are more likely to try competing for control, or favor. That's where humans would have a better chance of defeating them. Add the fact that Dante is there to fight and the humans probably won't be facing the more powerful demons, anyway.

As for the humans hating Dante, I doubt it would be that hard for him to disappear. He practically did it before, with his new determination it shouldn't be too difficult for him to do it again.

Dante comes in playing hero showing the people what side he's on and they'd be willing to roll with the superhero who came in sword and guns ablazing taking out demons in the double digits.

 

[Demi-fiend]

I'd give the human race more credit than that because I don't see the fascination with the downfall of society people have. Here's an example. If I remember correctly this took place in Ohio. There was a major blackout that lasted a week.

Did it take place in a suburban neighborhood or a small town? I think they're more likely to deal with things like week-long blackouts because people aren't crowded together like they are in the cities.

Had the blackout taken place in a large metropolitan area, I think it would have been a different story. I could be wrong about that, though.

 

[Jak]

Did it take place in a suburban neighborhood or a small town? I think they're more likely to deal with things like week-long blackouts because people aren't crowded together like they are in the cities.

Had the blackout taken place in a large metropolitan area, I think it would have been a different story. I could be wrong about that, though.

lets not use the katrina **** fest as an example. i wasn't there myself, but my aunts and cousins told me that the media made it out to be a post-apocalyptic war zone. it wasn't all that bad she said. people were helping others and eerybody started tapping into their basic caring instinct.

 

[Demi-fiend]

lets not use the katrina **** fest as an example. i wasn't there myself, but my aunts and cousins told me that the media made it out to be a post-apocalyptic war zone. it wasn't all that bad she said. people were helping others and eerybody started tapping into their basic caring instinct.

Oh ok. Good. Still wouldn't want to be in a situation like that, though.

I'll give you a link for a hydroponics product if you want. That way you'll be in a better position if it ever happens to you.

 

[Chancey289]

lets not use the katrina **** fest as an example. i wasn't there myself, but my aunts and cousins told me that the media made it out to be a post-apocalyptic war zone. it wasn't all that bad she said. people were helping others and eerybody started tapping into their basic caring instinct.

I went through Katrina. I live in Louisiana. I don't live in New Orleans but it's about 45 mins away. I spent Katrina on my grandpas tugboat and after the storm passed I think we all saw what happened in New Orleans. People were not getting the help they needed right away. The media did indeed paint it out to be some hell on earth but, people from here seem to have some of that traditional southern hospitality in their blood or some ****. Sure some tensions rode high but, there were people stranded on their roof for days on end with hardly no help on the way.

There's no doubt it would get a little wacky but, I know people who went through that crap in New Orleans and spent nights in the Superdome saying people did turn on that caring instinct. Just my community suffered from Katrina and we went like, a week and a half without power so I don't know how many generators I helped set up around town. Even for total strangers just because they needed a helping hand.

 

[Jak]

I went through Katrina. I live in Louisiana. I don't live in New Orleans but it's about 45 mins away. I spent Katrina on my grandpas tugboat and after the storm passed I think we all saw what happened in New Orleans. People were not getting the help they needed right away. The media did indeed paint it out to be some hell on earth but, people from here seem to have some of that traditional southern hospitality in their blood or some ****. Sure some tensions rode high but, there were people stranded on their roof for days on end with hardly no help on the way.

There's no doubt it would get a little wacky but, I know people who went through that crap in New Orleans and spent nights in the Superdome saying people did turn on that caring instinct. Just my community suffered from Katrina and we went like, a week and a half without power so I don't know how many generators I helped set up around town. Even for total strangers just because they needed a helping hand.

sorry. hope all is fine. i would like to say i understand, but you seem like you remember it vividly where as i were only a child and don't remember much of NY

 

[EllDawn]

Dante comes in playing hero showing the people what side he's on and they'd be willing to roll with the superhero who came in sword and guns ablazing taking out demons in the double digits.

There's just the problem of them asking him to make all their decisions for them.