Devil May Cry Classic/Reboot Comparisons Video

[Kam]

Either way that's still Dante and bitches.
one comes to a strip club to **** strippers and get drunk. The other comes to fight demons and get crazy, and pretends to be into strippers for about 10 seconds to draw out a demon.

So both either way point guns at women who seem to be of an odd look.
One points a gun at a woman that risks her life to save his, and is human. The other points a gun at a woman that tries to kill him, and is obviously demonic

Different versions don't always act the same, but yeah, they are different. Plus that woman was a demon with a mutant demon baby.
yes, those differences are exactly what I'm commenting on. That's why I commented on it.

I'd belive that if they actually gave us the belief that Dante was hiding the grim with one liners, but there was never an actual line to see that, and as such all I could do was roll my eyes.
At the end of DMC3 dante threatens to kill vergil for everything he's done, and for the first time in the entire game, he's being completely serious. No one-liners, no jokes, no wisecracks, not even a funny face: He threatens vergil with death for his atrocities. This catches even vergil off guard, who at first accuses him of just trying to waste time with his antics (but a quick closeup on his face reveals that he's actually serious)

New Dante didn't kill Lilith though so he didn't go against that belief. However Lilith isn't human.
neither is lucia

So you expect me to not think they're talking about d*cks? Seriously? A thick shaft, whip it out? come on man. Don't be so naive.
One makes an analogy of a shaft, in reference to a literal shaft.
One makes an analogy about thrusting it, in reference to a weapon that literally needs to be thrust.
One says "I've got a bigger dick". He's talking about his dick.

They are not the same.

Yet which one got sucked into Mundus? who was lieft to fight Mundus from there? Who finally killed Mundus? Dante did. SO in a way, yeah he did do it.
after vergil saved dante's life, pinned mundus down repeatedly, and stuck grapple points to him so dante could climb up his arm and hit him in the eye

Its not till after Downfall that Vergil falls into only wanting power. But honestly I think that's just lazy. All they want is power. really? you can't get anymore creative? That's why I always found old Vergil so dull in his goals. He doesn't even have a right mind as to what he even wants power for. You're mom's dead, Vergil. who are you trying to protect? I just think its lazy on Capcom's part.
It was going to be expanded in DMC4, supposedly

Against Vergil it appeared faster.
I don't get the significance

Old Dante wasn't fully entending on killing Vergil. if he was he would have finished Vergil off right then and there rather then just let him fall of the edge of hell. new Dante was drunk with power and was going to end Vergil out of rage and anger.
he cuts vergil in half at the waist. Vergil survives in one piece because...**** I don't know, nanomachines? At any rate it seems like he was trying pretty hard to end him

Old Dante is human. half human. Which never made sense since he was part human anyway. with new Dante it didn't make any more sense either, but I did understand the reasoning for it. In a way, isn't it the same for classic Sparda? How could he feel love if he wasn't even human in the first place?
That's part of why sparda's betrayal was so surprising. Absolutely lacking in humanity and seemingly without an empathy for humans (he reportedly does some incredibly ****ed up things to humans before the betrayal) he somehow ends up feeling for humans, and then marrying one. Personally I feel like the reboot would have been much less controversial if it had centered on sparda (a more or less untold story) instead of dante and vergil (an already existing story that a lot of people liked).

 

[Bazilican]

one comes to a strip club to **** strippers and get drunk. The other comes to fight demons and get crazy, and pretends to be into strippers for about 10 seconds to draw out a demon.

So that's why he talks about parties? he just says it to bring attention to himself? that's worse then Micheal Cera acting like a Jersey Shore douchebag just to get attention. -_-

One points a gun at a woman that risks her life to save his, and is human. The other points a gun at a woman that tries to kill him, and is obviously demonic

Well considering new Dante has never seen a person actually talk to him while he was in Limbo, he probably thought she was a demon and as such would be treated like one until he got answers.

yes, those differences are exactly what I'm commenting on. That's why I commented on it.

Oh, alright.

At the end of DMC3 dante threatens to kill vergil for everything he's done, and for the first time in the entire game, he's being completely serious. No one-liners, no jokes, no wisecracks, not even a funny face: He threatens vergil with death for his atrocities. This catches even vergil off guard, who at first accuses him of just trying to waste time with his antics (but a quick closeup on his face reveals that he's actually serious)

What scene are you talking about? After Dante threatens to stop him even if it means killing him, Vergil didn't make any face or have a surprised expression at all. He simply readied Force edge and charged. I think you're getting the "I have to stop you, even if it means KILLING you." scene confused with "My soul is saying it wants to STOP you"


neither is lucia

But Dante didn't kill Lucia because she was a demon with a heart.


One makes an analogy of a shaft, in reference to a literal shaft.
One makes an analogy about thrusting it, in reference to a weapon that literally needs to be thrust.
One says "I've got a bigger ****". He's talking about his ****.

They are not the same.
Either way they're d*ck jokes regardless of analogies. a d*ck joke is a d*ck joke.

after vergil saved dante's life, pinned mundus down repeatedly, and stuck grapple points to him so dante could climb up his arm and hit him in the eye

True.

It was going to be expanded in DMC4, supposedly

Seriously? Why didn't Capcom do it? It would have segwayed nicely then just saying it out of its canon.

I don't get the significance

You said it was slow appearing, but when he fought Vergil it appeared within at least two seconds.

he cuts vergil in half at the waist. Vergil survives in one piece because...**** I don't know, nanomachines? At any rate it seems like he was trying pretty hard to end him

Which I found odd since...how could they talk about killing each other...when both have survived plenty of deathly injuries and wounds?


That's part of why sparda's betrayal was so surprising. Absolutely lacking in humanity and seemingly without an empathy for humans (he reportedly does some incredibly ****** up things to humans before the betrayal) he somehow ends up feeling for humans, and then marrying one. Personally I feel like the reboot would have been much less controversial if it had centered on sparda (a more or less untold story) instead of dante and vergil (an already existing story that a lot of people liked).

A Sparda story would have been better as an anime or an OVA then a game since there's still a wanting for Sparda to say in mystery.

 

[Kam]

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yes, classic dante was an upbeat attention whore who loved to treat everything in life like a party.

Classic dante probably never saw a woman shoot lightning from her hands either, so I guess they're even.

Vergil accuses dante of wasting time with the line "you're wasting time" which is why I used that exact phrasing. The game even flashes to dante's face at that exact moment, just so you can see this is the one part in the entire game where he's speaking seriously. Dante's antics in the entire game leads up to this one moment, to offset his sudden change of attitude. Unfortunately they executed it poorly, because most people aren't even aware of the attitude shift, they're more concerned with the action sequences.

A dick joke is a dick joke, but there's a world of difference between scaling a tower and calling it "a thick shaft that reaches the heavens that frightens women" and saying "my dick is big". Claiming they're both the same just because "a d*ck joke is a d*ck joke" is like saying reboot dante is the same character as lucia, "because a demon hunter is a demon hunter".

Nobody knows why capcom slashed the production time on DMC4 (in fact, capcom still hasn't publicly admitted that it happened at all) but datamines on the PC version turn up more levels for dante and nero (they were supposed to have their each set of levels with no overlap, some hell themed level names turned up too, presumably dante's), expansions to devil trigger abilities, I believe vergil's name shows up once or twice, and many other unused stubs. The only place I see this stuff mentioned though is on modding forums, where modmakers stumble into this stuff and then talk about it.

I said dante was slow to grab the weapon, not to have the weapon appear. It takes dante about two seconds to "slowly and dramatically" draw his sword. It takes reboot dante 8 seconds to do the same, and that's counting time using OPs youtube video, which cropped part of the animation out to make it shorter.

Their own attacks are more potent than the attacks they routinely suffer from lesser demons because their demonic essence infuses their weapon swings and gunshots. It's only ever referenced in one of the books or something (you'll have to excuse the lack of source, I can't remember where it's from), but it's an explanation for how dante can fire his guns endlessly (though one of the comics shows him loading bullets into the gun), and why his bullets demolish normally bullet immune demons. Also explains why dante could get impaled by several lesser demons at the beginning of the game without batting an eye, but a similar attack from yamato nearly kills him.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

One points a gun at a woman that risks her life to save his, and is human. The other points a gun at a woman that tries to kill him, and is obviously demonic

To be perfectly honest, you're really not thinking too much about the context of DmC's scene.

Up until Kat, Dante had only ever interacted with demons when he's dragged into Limbo. Dante was well within his rights to be suspicious of anyone else being in Limbo, human or otherwise. He pointed a gun at Kat because logically he was skeptical of something else showing up in Limbo, and the extent of her abilities therein.

To Dante, demons have had human disguises before, and can't rightfully instantly believe that she risked her life to help him, so pointing a gun was probably his best option to make sure something didn't deceive him.

 

[TerrorA]

Whoa, Chill you two!

Both of you stop acting like pups who grew thier first fang.

This isn't even worth arguing about, so don't. Cause you two can bark, but I can bark louder and bite harder

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Wat?

 

[TerrorA]

Chill out was the message I was trying to convey.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I'm chill.

 

[Alittleacorn]

I was not, the comment I left was actually one of the items on the list of things I pointed out earlier in this thread. I was disagreeing with you over a day ago, and I don't see it in the comment's section. But as long as you're reading it, I suppose that's enough.

I never got those comments. I've only gotten 6 comments for the video so far.

Edit: wait hold on i found comment pending page, holy crap there's a lot more i than i thought o.o

Someone gave me a **** you lol

 

[MephistoCarnival]

Ok,being a little off-topic.
I may be wrong,but whenever someone tries to point out some mistakes or cons in the reboot,most people are offended and start to say how old series had also flaws.Here we aren't supposed to compare how many flaws both series have,but simply state our opinion,arguments and such.It's good to point out these and discuss them,being DMC or DmC.

Why don't we try to be a little more objective and treat them equally,because each of them has its flaws.We can discuss without being so subjective,even if one is your personal favourite doesn't mean it doesn't have pros and cons,it's after all your personal choice,but don't think it's perfect just because it's better in some aspects and the other one is not.

In my opinion each game's mistakes should be accepted and treated as such.It's not bad to point out and discuss things like this,on the contrary,it's even better to do it.

 

[Kam]

To be perfectly honest, you're really not thinking too much about the context of DmC's scene.

Up until Kat, Dante had only ever interacted with demons when he's dragged into Limbo. Dante was well within his rights to be suspicious of anyone else being in Limbo, human or otherwise. He pointed a gun at Kat because logically he was skeptical of something else showing up in Limbo, and the extent of her abilities therein.

To Dante, demons have had human disguises before, and can't rightfully instantly believe that she risked her life to help him, so pointing a gun was probably his best option to make sure something didn't deceive him.

and in classic DMC, typically only demons could shoot lightning from their arms and throw motorcycles with their bare hands

I never got those comments. I've only gotten 6 comments for the video so far.

Edit: wait hold on i found comment pending page, holy crap there's a lot more i than i thought o.o

Someone gave me a **** you lol

hah, yeah at this point I don't even know how to interpret "**** you" as a comment to DmC stuff. Some people use it as a joke because of dante's new fondness for saying it, some people use it as an insult because of the exact same reason. Could be good, could be bad? At any rate, I feel it needs to be said since I tend to focus on the negatives too much and that puts a bad impression on me, but overall I did actually enjoy your video, there were a lot of legitimate points you did make. The bad part is they're mostly near the middle of the video, and since it's a 40 minute video, most people with short attention spans will watch the first 2 minutes (which is mostly flawed comparisons) and then stop