Devil May Cry Classic/Reboot Comparisons Video

[MephistoCarnival]

You did a great job.
While I consider of these were deliberately put in there,I think some of these were just pure coincidence.
We must thank her for the hard work and also the time spent on all of this,so you have my gratitude.

Also,the dick jokes were funny in both DMC and DmC,I only think in DMC they were more subtle and funny. :lol:

Everyone who hates either DmC or DMC should watch this and accept both,you don't have to like the Reboot or DMC,but at least don't hate on each of them,because both are amazing games.
Now we only need a next DMC game and a DmC 2 and everyone would be at least satisfied.I know I would be,I'm eager to see the franchise being better pulled off or coming with more interesting things.

 

[Fran0823]

Conclusion: both are awesome. PERIOD

 

[VineBigBoss]

Good video, you had put some hard work there, props to you!

But... as a "hater" i sadly can't just give the congratulations too without adressing some things haha, and for this i apologize

But, one thing that was kind clear for me in this video, is that things are kinda "overinterpreted", for example:

I can say DmC hold similarities with a ton of games considering minor things like some things this video points out, the tatoo in NT Dante's backs for example seems very similar to Ashley Riot's tatoo from Vagrant Story:

But indeed, it holds some similarities and intentional references to the classic series, afterall they are in the same franchise. I've never payed attention how Mundu's Spawn is similar to Nobodies (the grotesque DMC1 monsters). It can be really a intentional reference seeing as this, and i think it's cool.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Good video, you had put some hard work there, props to you!

But... as a "hater" i sadly can't just give the congratulations too without adressing some things haha, and for this i apologize

But, one thing that was kind clear for me in this video, is that things are kinda "overinterpreted", for example:

I can say DmC hold similarities with a ton of games considering minor things like some things this video points out, the tatoo in NT Dante's backs for example seems very similar to Ashley Riot's tatoo from Vagrant Story:

But indeed, it holds some similarities and intentional references to the classic series, afterall they are in the same franchise. I've never payed attention how Mundu's Spawn is similar to Nobodies (the grotesque DMC1 monsters). It can be really a intentional reference seeing as this, and i think it's cool.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey, dat was Sydney's way before he slapped it on Ashley's back

 

[Kam]

a lot of the clips used in the video were actually wildly different from each other, but focused only on the brief moments where they were similar and cut away before their distinguishing traits could become apparently; your video focuses a lot on cosmetic features like the poses people strike and the names of certain items, and almost not at all on the meaning behind those scenes.

Here's a few examples:
Reboot dante enjoys two strippers putting on a show, rides home with the strippers in a limo, gets a blowjob from both, then drunkenly ****s them in his trailer after leaving clothes and weapons scattered all over a carnival ground. classic dante smells out bael, pretends to be distracted by the demon strippers so he can lure out the demon, and and then fights him. Then he closes one of the hell gates, gets a badass suitcase weapon, and blows **** up.

reboot dante points his guns at kat after she warns him of an impending attack and he gets to safety. Classic dante points a gun at trish after she breaks in his front door, impales him, electrocutes him, kicks him in the face, sets fire to his shop, and throws a motorcycle at his head.

Both games ("both" for simplicity, but I mean all 5) make poor use of exposition dumps, neither is to be excused

classic vergil uses a gun after arkham slaps a gun out of dante's hand and it lands in his own hand. He fires once to kill a bloated mockery of his father, then throws the gun away in disgust. Reboot vergil agrees to play the hostage exchange straight ("we'll do it your way"), but then shoots a pregnant woman in the back with a long ranged rifle. Twice.

DMC2. No.

If I had to guess, reboot vergil watched DMC3 vergil's fancy stab animation and tried his hardest to copy it, but it looked awful. Seriously, this is embarrassing. It takes 5 times as long and looks forced and awkward as ****. They should have had a stunt double there who actually knew how to make a sword flourish look good

Classic dante refers to vergil "throwing a party" sarcastically, he's making light of the grim situation by commenting on the lack of food, drinks, and women, as if it was expected. "The party" in DmC is a literal party, that literally had food, drinks, and women. Classic dante goes places expecting to party, even where there is no party. Reboot dante crashes and ends parties upon arrival.

Classic dante refuses to kill a person he identifies as human, even if they believe themselves to be a threat. Reboot dante doesn't kill Lilith because he needs her for a hostage exchange

Arm slings? Really?

Jester makes a joke about a thick shaft that extends to the heavens, speaking literally about a tower. Dante makes jokes about "whipping it out and thrusting it" speaking literally about lucifer's many magical swords. Vergil says "I've got a big dick". One of these things is not like the other.

in DMC4, the bad guys unleash demons upon the humans, who have been taught all their life that demons exist. In DmC, the good unleash demons upon the humans, who are clueless to their existence

Classic dante talks about spotlights as if the entire situation is just a pretext for him to show off (and it is, literally. It's a tongue-in-cheeck fourth wall moment). Reboot dante claims sole responsibility for killing mundus in an effort that was clearly collaborative.

Classic vergil has no intent to rule anything, he just wants to be stronger, even though he's always been strong enough to kick dante's ass. Reboot vergil has always been weaker than dante, tries to get strong enough to beat dante and rule the earth, but gets beaten instead. (I've never really felt engaged by stories where the underdog loses)

It takes classic dante about 2 seconds to dramatically reach for and grab his sword. Reboot dante takes 8 seconds, and that's after editing to make it look shorter.

Classic dante fully intends to kill vergil, but vergil survives because he's really tough. Reboot dante is in the middle of killing vergil, but is talked down by kat before he can complete his journey to the dark side.

In classic DMC, the "you are not human" line is because demons are legitimately surprised at dante's abilities because he is human and smells like a human, and most demons of the time don't recognize sparda's scent mixed in (beowulf does). In rebooted DmC, the "you are not human" line doesn't make sense because there was never any question of dante not being a human. DmC dante is zero parts human.

As an additional note, disabling ratings and comments is pure damage control. You aren't looking for feedback on your video, you're looking for people to praise it and aren't willing to acknowledge any criticism on your video's page. It's bad practice, and most people are going to see your video settings and leave without even watching the first minute.

 

[MephistoCarnival]

^ I never thought of it this way.
You really bring some points out here.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

As an additional note, disabling ratings and comments is pure damage control. You aren't looking for feedback on your video, you're looking for people to praise it and aren't willing to acknowledge any criticism on your video's page. It's bad practice, and most people are going to see your video settings and leave without even watching the first minute.

I'd beg to differ. I have a cancel compilation from when the demo was first released, and I got rid of any negative comments because they did nothing for the discussion, and I didn't want to have people dealing with bullsh!t on it, myself included - it was a nearly informative video of cancels. People can cry out for a "free and open place of discussion" but with the amount of vitriol DmC has following it around at all times, that ship has sailed. Not every comment section and forum has to play stage to a childish crusade against a game.

Acorn showed off a lot of what she saw between all the games, and some of it is interesting. She also wanted to stem the tide of vitriol that would inevitably flood in from the dregs of the 'net. How dare she~!

 

[Kam]

I'd beg to differ. I have a cancel compilation from when the demo was first released, and I got rid of any negative comments because they did nothing for the discussion, and I didn't want to have people dealing with bullsh!t on it, myself included - it was a nearly informative video of cancels. People can cry out for a "free and open place of discussion" but with the amount of vitriol DmC has following it around at all times, that ship has sailed. Not every comment section and forum has to play stage to a childish crusade against a game.

Acorn showed off a lot of what she saw between all the games, and some of it is interesting. She also wanted to stem the tide of vitriol that would inevitably flood in from the dregs of the 'net. How dare she~!

if you aren't willing to suffer some heat when you make a strong stance on a very controversial subject, you shouldn't be a participant. Either take all of the feedback, good and bad, or shut up and sit quietly in the audience.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

There's a different between "taking the heat" and "suffering immature whinging."

Comments aren't disabled, they simply require approval. Who are you to say that Acorn is keeping out any negative comments :/

 

[Kam]

There's a different between "taking the heat" and "suffering immature whinging."

Comments aren't disabled, they simply require approval. Who are you to say that Acorn is keeping out any negative comments :/

because I left one there almost a day ago, and it didn't make the cut, but subsequent comments praising the video were greenlit no problems.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Well, okay then.

Big Who Cares? Why not go take that crusading for commenter's rights over to EventStatus, who spouts total, unconfirmed bullsh!t in his videos, strawmans any argument that tries to correct him, and then actively blocks them.

At least Acorn is just showing off things she saw, instead of trying to inform people with completely misinformed, inflammatory "news."

 

[EvilX-81]

I really doubt the video was trying to deceive here, since most have played those games and probably remember most of the scenes at the least And even if not, there's youtube for playthroughs.

I think it was just showing similar moments or aesthetics, but not saying that everything in DmC was ripped 1:1 or even close, from the previous DMC games. Like the DMC d*ck jokes. It's not the point that two of them were metaphor for something else, just that they were.... d*ck jokes. Even if one of them was rather brickish.

 

[Alittleacorn]

because I left one there almost a day ago, and it didn't make the cut, but subsequent comments praising the video were greenlit no problems.

Were you the one who said something along the lines of 'what's the point of this video?' because a brief click on that user's history did not appeal to me when I saw the word Donte, and the manner in which the comment was written hinted at aggression or an intent to spark an arguement that youtube has been plagued with on DmC videos, and would -with a high probability- not resolve itself or bring about anything.

So the word you use for damage control, is merely me being smart by prefering not to have arguements, flamewars or people attack my video and upset those who just want to enjoy something, rather than have the fandom self destruct on itself. And I'm sorry, but your entire previous post is out of context, because you failed to understand the video's meaning or chose to ignore it. Which is why I suggest having a read of EvilX-81's post for the answer, and is why I won't be taking your discussion any further.

Please feel free to leave a comment, but if anyone posts something to spark an arguement or I sense something sinister behind it, it will be refused. Because it is my video, and if I see anything not deemed suitable for public viewing, I will ignore it.

if you aren't willing to suffer some heat when you make a strong stance on a very controversial subject, you shouldn't be a participant. Either take all of the feedback, good and bad, or shut up and sit quietly in the audience.

And please don't indirectly tell me to shut up. I'd prefer get along with you.

 

[Demi-fiend]

And please don't indirectly tell me to shut up. I'd prefer get along with you.

I don't think it was "indirect", Acorn.

Reminds me of when someone told me that I should "remain silent" if I happened "disagree for the sake of disagreeing".

I wasn't, for the record (FTR). All I said was "let's just agree to disagree".

Yeah, that warrants a "shut-up" all right. But when we do it, we're the bad guys. Honestly... :ermm:

 

[Loopy]

Nice work! I don't think I'd have the patience to make a video like this.^_^ You've done a good job of finding a lot of comparisons, and I'm ashamed to say I wouldn't have noticed all of them without this video.

 

[Demi-fiend]

every gun you get in the game comes from were? oh that's right VERGIL GIVES them to DONTE, in the club and in the elevator

Vergil never used the ones he actually gave to Dante.

 

[Loopy]

every gun you get in the game comes from were? oh that's right VERGIL GIVES them to DONTE, in the club and in the elevator

Dante finds his handguns in a bra ...unless Vergil put the bra and guns there:troll:

He doesn't give Dante a gun in the club. He was never in the club. He gave one to Dante during the Order HQ raid though.
Not sure where Vergil got that shotgun from. I guess considering he is a good shot, then he must have spares at HQ to practice with. Or he pulled it out of a rift in his ass:troll:

The final gun, Vergil says he took it from a guard who approached him in the tower.

Plus we never se him using any of the ones he gives to Dante. And right after he shot Lilith, he threw the gun away and drove off. And that was the only gun we ever saw him use.

 

[VineBigBoss]

I don't think it was "indirect", Acorn.

Reminds me of when someone told me that I should "remain silent" if I happened "disagree for the sake of disagreeing".

I wasn't, for the record (FTR). All I said was "let's just agree to disagree".

Yeah, that warrants a "shut-up" all right. But when we do it, we're the bad guys. Honestly... :ermm:

Shhh... remain silent.

 

[Kam]

Well, okay then.

Big Who Cares? Why not go take that crusading for commenter's rights over to EventStatus, who spouts total, unconfirmed bullsh!t in his videos, strawmans any argument that tries to correct him, and then actively blocks them.

At least Acorn is just showing off things she saw, instead of trying to inform people with completely misinformed, inflammatory "news."

I do when, I see them. Not that this was the point of discussion. The point was there are a number of things I disagree with in this video, but all points (good and bad) are likely to be disregarded because of this video's first impression, which is a very negative one. It was advice, it doesn't need to be followed.

Were you the one who said something along the lines of 'what's the point of this video?'

I was not, the comment I left was actually one of the items on the list of things I pointed out earlier in this thread. I was disagreeing with you over a day ago, and I don't see it in the comment's section. But as long as you're reading it, I suppose that's enough.

And please don't indirectly tell me to shut up. I'd prefer get along with you.

I didn't, I told twoxacross to shut up. Conditionally. And directly.

 

[Bazilican]

Here's a few examples:
Reboot dante enjoys two strippers putting on a show, rides home with the strippers in a limo, gets a blowjob from both, then drunkenly ***** them in his trailer after leaving clothes and weapons scattered all over a carnival ground. classic dante smells out bael, pretends to be distracted by the demon strippers so he can lure out the demon, and and then fights him. Then he closes one of the hell gates, gets a badass suitcase weapon, and blows **** up.

Either way that's still Dante and bitches.

reboot dante points his guns at kat after she warns him of an impending attack and he gets to safety. Classic dante points a gun at trish after she breaks in his front door, impales him, electrocutes him, kicks him in the face, sets fire to his shop, and throws a motorcycle at his head.

So both either way point guns at women who seem to be of an odd look.

Both games ("both" for simplicity, but I mean all 5) make poor use of exposition dumps, neither is to be excused

classic vergil uses a gun after arkham slaps a gun out of dante's hand and it lands in his own hand. He fires once to kill a bloated mockery of his father, then throws the gun away in disgust. Reboot vergil agrees to play the hostage exchange straight ("we'll do it your way"), but then shoots a pregnant woman in the back with a long ranged rifle. Twice.

Different versions don't always act the same, but yeah, they are different. Plus that woman was a demon with a mutant demon baby.

DMC2. No.

If I had to guess, reboot vergil watched DMC3 vergil's fancy stab animation and tried his hardest to copy it, but it looked awful. Seriously, this is embarrassing. It takes 5 times as long and looks forced and awkward as ****. They should have had a stunt double there who actually knew how to make a sword flourish look good

I hated this too. I mean seriously?

Classic dante refers to vergil "throwing a party" sarcastically, he's making light of the grim situation by commenting on the lack of food, drinks, and women, as if it was expected. "The party" in DmC is a literal party, that literally had food, drinks, and women. Classic dante goes places expecting to party, even where there is no party. Reboot dante crashes and ends parties upon arrival.

I'd belive that if they actually gave us the belief that Dante was hiding the grim with one liners, but there was never an actual line to see that, and as such all I could do was roll my eyes.

Classic dante refuses to kill a person he identifies as human, even if they believe themselves to be a threat. Reboot dante doesn't kill Lilith because he needs her for a hostage exchange

New Dante didn't kill Lilith though so he didn't go against that belief. However Lilith isn't human.

Arm slings? Really?

Jester makes a joke about a thick shaft that extends to the heavens, speaking literally about a tower. Dante makes jokes about "whipping it out and thrusting it" speaking literally about lucifer's many magical swords. Vergil says "I've got a big ****". One of these things is not like the other.

So you expect me to not think they're talking about d*cks? Seriously? A thick shaft, whip it out? come on man. Don't be so naive.

in DMC4, the bad guys unleash demons upon the humans, who have been taught all their life that demons exist. In DmC, the good unleash demons upon the humans, who are clueless to their existence

I did feel that was really dumb. Why would you release demons into a world of humans and say "it was to save them"? That's a pretty sadistic view point.

Classic dante talks about spotlights as if the entire situation is just a pretext for him to show off (and it is, literally. It's a tongue-in-cheeck fourth wall moment). Reboot dante claims sole responsibility for killing mundus in an effort that was clearly collaborative.

Yet which one got sucked into Mundus? who was lieft to fight Mundus from there? Who finally killed Mundus? Dante did. SO in a way, yeah he did do it.

Classic vergil has no intent to rule anything, he just wants to be stronger, even though he's always been strong enough to kick dante's ass. Reboot vergil has always been weaker than dante, tries to get strong enough to beat dante and rule the earth, but gets beaten instead. (I've never really felt engaged by stories where the underdog loses)

Its not till after Downfall that Vergil falls into only wanting power. But honestly I think that's just lazy. All they want is power. really? you can't get anymore creative? That's why I always found old Vergil so dull in his goals. He doesn't even have a right mind as to what he even wants power for. You're mom's dead, Vergil. who are you trying to protect? I just think its lazy on Capcom's part.

It takes classic dante about 2 seconds to dramatically reach for and grab his sword. Reboot dante takes 8 seconds, and that's after editing to make it look shorter.

Against Vergil it appeared faster.

Classic dante fully intends to kill vergil, but vergil survives because he's really tough. Reboot dante is in the middle of killing vergil, but is talked down by kat before he can complete his journey to the dark side.

Old Dante wasn't fully entending on killing Vergil. if he was he would have finished Vergil off right then and there rather then just let him fall of the edge of hell. new Dante was drunk with power and was going to end Vergil out of rage and anger.

In classic DMC, the "you are not human" line is because demons are legitimately surprised at dante's abilities because he is human and smells like a human, and most demons of the time don't recognize sparda's scent mixed in (beowulf does). In rebooted DmC, the "you are not human" line doesn't make sense because there was never any question of dante not being a human. DmC dante is zero parts human.

Old Dante is human. half human. Which never made sense since he was part human anyway. with new Dante it didn't make any more sense either, but I did understand the reasoning for it. In a way, isn't it the same for classic Sparda? How could he feel love if he wasn't even human in the first place?

As an additional note, disabling ratings and comments is pure damage control. You aren't looking for feedback on your video, you're looking for people to praise it and aren't willing to acknowledge any criticism on your video's page. It's bad practice, and most people are going to see your video settings and leave without even watching the first minute.