DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
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Who would win if Dante fought Constantine? Whether it be new or old Dante?
Dante (classic or reboot) vs. John Constantine
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Who would win if Dante fought Constantine? Whether it be new or old Dante?
Dusk Stalker
" Everybody gets a bullet!" -Axton
In a prep fight, John just rips Dante up(Both versions) Very badly...and I mean badly.
Without prep, Dante.
Without prep, Dante.
The Final Offer
Well-known Member
You're not beating a Demon/Angel hybrid that can slow down time.
Forget it.
Forget it.
ToCool74
"Fair" DmC Skeptic
What about original Dante?
Do you think he could beat him?
Also, I'm not familiar with Constantine from the books, only the movie, so what is so different from between him in the movies and the books?
I ask this because in the movies he is pretty much just a human with some badazz skills, even with prep he would still get his arse handed to him.
The Final Offer
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Original Dante is indestructible. Even with prep time even Batman couldn't beat him.
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
This should answer that.
http://hellblazer.wikia.com/wiki/John_Constantine#Powers_and_abilities
Powers and abilities
- Arcane Knowledge: Unlike most comic book magicians, Constantine rarely uses magical spells unless he has to, especially in combat. Constantine faces most of his challenges relying primarily on his cunning, his vast knowledge of the occult, manipulation of opponents and allies, and an extensive list of contacts. When he does uses magic, his magical prowess varies from writer to writer.
Constantine using an offensive spell "Fiat Bloody Lux" to fight off two demons
Some examples of Constantine's magic:- Astral Projection — Constantine once separated his soul from his body to travel through psyches and dimensions. (Hellblazer: Joyride)
- Divination — Used a pendulum and map to find the location of a magical disturbance. (Hellblazer issues four and 182)
- Demon summoning — Summoned the demon Nergal to destroy a monster for him, which it did (although John lost control, due to his inexperience). (Hellblazer issue 11)
- Black magic cursing — Placed a curse on his father that caused him to waste away, (Hellblazer issue 31) , casting a curse on a host for vengeance (Reasons to be Cheerful), putting a curse to a gang that put them into catatonic insanity (Hellblazer issue 146), or using a spell that traps someone between the gaps of time (Hellblazer issue 276). Constantine's curses are strong enough to affect demons (The Red Right Hand).
- Exorcism — bounded, immobolized, and sealed the demon goddess Kali (Hellblazer issue 180 ), or destroying a demon using a spell (Hellblazer issue 250). During the Son of Man arc, Constantine summoned a demon. He made it physical thus rendereing it powerless and vulnerable, before Header shoots it with a shotgun. John also uses the right kind of spell than can destroy gods (The Trenchcoat Brigade ) or seal them away (The Fear Machine ). Constantine can also bound and seal elementals, such as Norfulthing. (Hellblazer issue 246)
- Spirit ward creation — Placed a magical sigil on Ellie's soul that prevented the forces of Heaven and Hell from tracking her. (Hellblazer issue 60). As well as using sigils to hide himself from Satan. (Hellblazer issue 85) He also placed various sigils on an abandoned caravan that he housed himself in to hide himself from the demon Nergal. (Hellblazer issue 12) Constantine can also write sigils in his bodies that protects him from magical attacks and possessions, and to prevent any demons from physically touching him. (Hellblazer issue 181 and 206)
- Magic circles — protection magic that John uses for defence against both supernatural and physical attacks (The Search for Swamp Thing and 238 ).
- Realm travel — being chased by Nergal, Constantine opens a path to Heaven. He leads Nergal to the borders of Heaven where the angels attacked Nergal and ripped him apart. (Hellblazer issue 12 )
- Golemancy — Raised a golem. (Hellblazer issue 167)
- Oclumancy — Erased a man's traumatic memories (Hellblazer issue 217), or mind-conrolled a whole penitentiary of inmates to madly riot and bring him a cigarette.(Hellblazer issue 149-150 )
- Necromancy — Raised a group of murder victims as ghosts to attack their murderer, (Hellblazer issue 230) or raising soulstorms to attack his enemies. (Hellblazer issue 42, 176, and 181 )
- Illusion — Making people think he's someone or something else (Hellblazer: Pandemonium), or change another person's image (Hellblazer issue 149).
- Evocation — summoned a djinn to attack some military officers. (Hellblazer: Pandemonium) John can also summon other celestial beings such as angels (R.S.V.P.) and gods (All His Engines and Hellblazer issue 90)
- Ressurection — In the graphic novel Pandemonium, he once allowed himself to be killed, but later resurrects himself by exiting the afterlife.
- Pyrokinesis — creating fires or hellfires sometimes from his cigarette or lighter to attack his enemies. (Hellblazer issue 227 )
- Invisibility — used sigils to make himself invisible (Hellblazer issue 174 and 258 ), and he can spot many invisible forces (City of Demons ).
- Time-travel — John uses a time-portal spell that send him back to 1979 (Hellblazer issue 273).
- Synchronicity Wave Travelling — Constantine's signature magic. This allows him to make his own luck resembling a slightly reality warping. This is also one of the reasons how he survived for some time.
- Tainted Blood: Constantine's blood is demonically tainted , initially by a blood transfusion from the demon Nergal, and later by sex with a succubus. His blood has been shown to have healing properties. It also acted as a defense mechanism when attacked by The King of the Vampires in Hellblazer issue 69.
- Hand-to-Hand Combat: Constantine's skills in unarmed combat varies depending on the writer. Some portrays him as a poor physical fighter, while others as a capable hand-to-hand combatant. However, he has occasionally won fights, either by using magical weapons (Hellblazer issue 217 and Chas: The Knowledge ), by fighting dirty (Hellblazer issues 42 and 57, and the graphic novel All His Engines), or by quick-thinking (Hellblazer issue 250). During his fight against the god-demon Nergal , John ripped the spine off of his back with ease. Aside from conventional close-quarters combat, Constantine also uses stealth to take down foes, like using illusions and sigils to sneak on opponents.
- Possession Resistance: With the use of his magical knowledge, Constantine can resist many psychic attacks such as telepathy, soul and body possession, and powerful mind controls. Constantine can even use sigils to block off omniprescence (Rake at the Gates of Hell). Because he is the Laughing Magician, John has some resistance against omniscience, seen as he tricks powerful divine beings throughout the series.
- Great Strategist: Even with pressure, lack of time and preparation, Constantine can think of a strategy to defeat his enemies in a fight, letting him outwit both Heaven and Hell while striking fear into them. He's a master tactician and strategist and he can plan a strategy on the go. Although his IQ is never stated he is known to possess great intellect (Hellblazer issue 7). Constantine has fought against many of the most powerful; gods and great intellectual minds alike. His achievements stand amongs gods.
AcidX_Y
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.....The fight's not even competitive then.
ToCool74
"Fair" DmC Skeptic
Good lord....
This version seems so much more op than the movie version, I get that they could not fit everything in the movie but geeze and crackers lol.
The Final Offer
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Victory still goes to the Half demon and Nephilim.
Which ability of either Dante springs into mind when preparing for Constantine?
Which ability of either Dante springs into mind when preparing for Constantine?
The Final Offer
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It's great that you believe so highly in John but, you have to understand that DMC Dante can just use a DT and be done with John. Remember, 100% of the time Dante isn't serious. Given prep time, he's an in and out kind of guy.
Guns:
I'd say a homing missile from KA. The strongest bullet from Spiral. A well placed grenade. Yamato. Pandora's box. Nightmare. Artemis. Ebony and Ivory. Rebellion (Overdrive
).Abilities (From DMC Wiki):
Dante possesses incredible strength. He can shatter stone with little difficulty, and often overpowers demons much larger than himself. In Devil May Cry: The Animated Series, Dante is seen snapping handcuffs and effortlessly overpowering human authorities as well as street thugs all single-handedly. Dante's display of superhuman strength and resistance to injury shows that his physical condition is much tougher than that of humans, allowing him to exert his enhanced muscle power to vast proportions without fear of injury or fatigue.[6]
Dante is blindingly fast, able to dash a short distance to dodge attacks, dodge bullets fired at close-range, and move so fast that he appears to teleport. He is extremely agile as well; able to jump to great heights or even balance himself on a flying rocket, as well as run up vertical walls. In addition, his agility allows him to perform amazing feats of acrobatics that easily surpass even the finest human acrobat.
He is able to channel his power into various physical objects, ranging from his guns to the air itself.[7] Dante can also hold his breath indefinitely, or perhaps even breathe underwater, as he can remain submerged for extended periods of time without taking damage or needing to surface for air. Additionally, Dante possesses great resistance to heat, as shown in Devil May Cry 4 when he casually sat on the flaming tail of Berial and came out with little more than a burnt coat. In the opening cut-scene of the original Devil May Cry, he demonstrates telekinetic abilities, catching Trish's motorcycle in mid-flight before shooting it with Ebony and Ivory. He also appeared to show telekinetic abilities in the anime, shown when he splayed his hand and Rebellion smashed through the ceiling window before landing in his hand.
Dante can instantly heal from nearly any wound; even the Hell Prides were surprised when he ignored their attacks at the beginning of Devil May Cry 3. Dante's durability has been shown to allow him to simply shrug off wounds that would either disable or outright kill a normal Human, such as being impaled through the chest with his own sword (something that happens to him during almost every game and also happened in the anime), struck by opponents with superhuman strength (such as when he showed no discomfort when Nero repeatedly punched him in the face with Devil Bringer), or being shot point-blank in the head and stomach.
Dante rarely shows himself to struggle in battle and wins most of his fights with such ease it's as if he was merely toying with his opponent, however his brother Vergil did defeat him once, then again as Nelo Angelo. Nero apparently defeated him at the beginning of Devil May Cry 4, but Dante admitted the battle only ended the way it did because he underestimated Nero. In their second fight Dante soundly defeated Nero and made the latter realize he was being toyed with from the beginning.
Wtf is a John Constantine to that?
Jak
i like turtles
he's a chain smoker...he's willing to let his friends die to save his own ass...he's the world's most powerful wizard...and he's tricked the immortals into giving him a favor which he hadn't used until the end of the original hellblazer run. new 52 constantine as far as i know, has basically made the spetre his bitch and will do anything for johnIt's great that you believe so highly in John but, you have to understand that DMC Dante can just use a DT and be done with John. Remember, 100% of the time Dante isn't serious. Given prep time, he's an in and out kind of guy.
Guns:
I'd say a homing missile from KA. The strongest bullet from Spiral. A well placed grenade. Yamato. Pandora's box. Nightmare. Artemis. Ebony and Ivory. Rebellion (Overdrive
Abilities (From DMC Wiki):
Dante possesses incredible strength. He can shatter stone with little difficulty, and often overpowers demons much larger than himself. In Devil May Cry: The Animated Series, Dante is seen snapping handcuffs and effortlessly overpowering human authorities as well as street thugs all single-handedly. Dante's display of superhuman strength and resistance to injury shows that his physical condition is much tougher than that of humans, allowing him to exert his enhanced muscle power to vast proportions without fear of injury or fatigue.[6]
Dante is blindingly fast, able to dash a short distance to dodge attacks, dodge bullets fired at close-range, and move so fast that he appears to teleport. He is extremely agile as well; able to jump to great heights or even balance himself on a flying rocket, as well as run up vertical walls. In addition, his agility allows him to perform amazing feats of acrobatics that easily surpass even the finest human acrobat.
He is able to channel his power into various physical objects, ranging from his guns to the air itself.[7] Dante can also hold his breath indefinitely, or perhaps even breathe underwater, as he can remain submerged for extended periods of time without taking damage or needing to surface for air. Additionally, Dante possesses great resistance to heat, as shown in Devil May Cry 4 when he casually sat on the flaming tail of Berial and came out with little more than a burnt coat. In the opening cut-scene of the original Devil May Cry, he demonstrates telekinetic abilities, catching Trish's motorcycle in mid-flight before shooting it with Ebony and Ivory. He also appeared to show telekinetic abilities in the anime, shown when he splayed his hand and Rebellion smashed through the ceiling window before landing in his hand.
Dante can instantly heal from nearly any wound; even the Hell Prides were surprised when he ignored their attacks at the beginning of Devil May Cry 3. Dante's durability has been shown to allow him to simply shrug off wounds that would either disable or outright kill a normal Human, such as being impaled through the chest with his own sword (something that happens to him during almost every game and also happened in the anime), struck by opponents with superhuman strength (such as when he showed no discomfort when Nero repeatedly punched him in the face with Devil Bringer), or being shot point-blank in the head and stomach.
Dante rarely shows himself to struggle in battle and wins most of his fights with such ease it's as if he was merely toying with his opponent, however his brother Vergil did defeat him once, then again as Nelo Angelo. Nero apparently defeated him at the beginning of Devil May Cry 4, but Dante admitted the battle only ended the way it did because he underestimated Nero. In their second fight Dante soundly defeated Nero and made the latter realize he was being toyed with from the beginning.
Wtf is a John Constantine to that?
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
It's great that you believe so highly in John but, you have to understand that DMC Dante can just use a DT and be done with John. Remember, 100% of the time Dante isn't serious. Given prep time, he's an in and out kind of guy.
John doesn't use all his powers either.
Guns:
I'd say a homing missile from KA. The strongest bullet from Spiral. A well placed grenade. Yamato. Pandora's box. Nightmare. Artemis. Ebony and Ivory. Rebellion (Overdrive
Then he'll just teloport out of the way or use the magic that makes him resistant to all demons and demon attacks.
Abilities (From DMC Wiki):
Dante possesses incredible strength. He can shatter stone with little difficulty, and often overpowers demons much larger than himself. In Devil May Cry: The Animated Series, Dante is seen snapping handcuffs and effortlessly overpowering human authorities as well as street thugs all single-handedly. Dante's display of superhuman strength and resistance to injury shows that his physical condition is much tougher than that of humans, allowing him to exert his enhanced muscle power to vast proportions without fear of injury or fatigue.[6]
Yeah. Smaller demons, and humans. Constantine is neither a normal human nor a normal demon.
Dante is blindingly fast, able to dash a short distance to dodge attacks, dodge bullets fired at close-range, and move so fast that he appears to teleport. He is extremely agile as well; able to jump to great heights or even balance himself on a flying rocket, as well as run up vertical walls. In addition, his agility allows him to perform amazing feats of acrobatics that easily surpass even the finest human acrobat.
All John needs is a stunning curse and that'll solve that problem.
He is able to channel his power into various physical objects, ranging from his guns to the air itself.[7] Dante can also hold his breath indefinitely, or perhaps even breathe underwater, as he can remain submerged for extended periods of time without taking damage or needing to surface for air. Additionally, Dante possesses great resistance to heat, as shown in Devil May Cry 4 when he casually sat on the flaming tail of Berial and came out with little more than a burnt coat. In the opening cut-scene of the original Devil May Cry, he demonstrates telekinetic abilities, catching Trish's motorcycle in mid-flight before shooting it with Ebony and Ivory. He also appeared to show telekinetic abilities in the anime, shown when he splayed his hand and Rebellion smashed through the ceiling window before landing in his hand.
John can do all this too.
Dante can instantly heal from nearly any wound; even the Hell Prides were surprised when he ignored their attacks at the beginning of Devil May Cry 3. Dante's durability has been shown to allow him to simply shrug off wounds that would either disable or outright kill a normal Human, such as being impaled through the chest with his own sword (something that happens to him during almost every game and also happened in the anime), struck by opponents with superhuman strength (such as when he showed no discomfort when Nero repeatedly punched him in the face with Devil Bringer), or being shot point-blank in the head and stomach.
Again, John can do this too.
Dante rarely shows himself to struggle in battle and wins most of his fights with such ease it's as if he was merely toying with his opponent, however his brother Vergil did defeat him once, then again as Nelo Angelo. Nero apparently defeated him at the beginning of Devil May Cry 4, but Dante admitted the battle only ended the way it did because he underestimated Nero. In their second fight Dante soundly defeated Nero and made the latter realize he was being toyed with from the beginning.
Wtf is a John Constantine to that?
Dante's perfect match.
The Final Offer
Well-known Member
Can I get a counter argument to Dante?
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
I'm not saying Dante COULDN'T Defeat John. It's just John uses not only his skills but also his intellect to win his battles. Dante relies more on brawn and reflex to win his fights against demons. I mean Dante could give Constantine a run for his money, but in the end, Constantine would probably have some plan set up for just in case he lost whether Resurrection or even planting a demon infecting poison into his body and releasing it into the air, thus affecting Dante and then setting up a demon killing sniper from his many contacts from far away to finish the job.
John's unpredictable in a fight, and both Dantes would need to really be on their toes to beat him.
The Final Offer
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You keep harboring this thought that Dante isn't all that smart when it comes to fighting. Which Dante are you speaking on? The young one in DmC or the eldest one in DMC? Those are the two I'm using seeing as Costantine is at his peak here.
John wouldn't have anything on Dante prep or no prep. I get that you think John's intellect on demonology would make him capable, but both Dante and DMC Dante are half demon and can slow down time. John is not capable of keeping up with Dante let alone two (Doppleganger), homing missles, lasers, teleportation, and bullets. It'd be a slaughter.
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
Then John can just speed time back up again, negate Dante's abilities to freeze time with a curse, and then i'd be fair.
Same with new Dante; use a curse to negate his DT, or step in the magic circle to avoid being affected by it. Plus he's only hlaf demon so it's not like it'll affect him too much.
The Final Offer
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Neither Dante needs their DT to win. It's about their mobility, precision, abilities, arsenal, and vulnerability.
DmC Dante: Angelic weapons. I really believe John would stand down seeing those.
You really think a being that can move faster than a bullet at point blank is going to let a man walk into a circle on the floor? Let alone let him move at all? Things aren't fair from the start which is why Constantine loses. I think John is an awesome character, but you can't pit him against a being like Dante.
I'd love to see Constantine vs Dormmaru.
Jak
i like turtles
already happened. john won