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Yeah tough doesn't only mean physically. But she's not even tough personality wise. As already said, she's a damsel in distress.

The saving kid scene COULD HAVE BEEN impressive if they didn't depict her as a damsel in distress even there.

Accepting Nero's nature, impressive? Mah, it's not the adjective I'd use.

And finally, intimidating. Kyrie, intimidating, hmmm lemme think about it... LMAO

@Gel Vergil is not my lord, if that's what you mean.

My Clan's Elder is. And the Predator King obviously u.u

She jumped to protect, didn't cry out for Nero, instead he saw the situation himself and rushed to save her. That does not make her a damsel in distress, or you could say the same for thousands of soldiers, firefighters, parents or other people who put other people's safety, especially children's safety, before their own.

Hmmm, so you have abandoned Lord Vergil's ways. Needing something more enthusiastic, I see.

Come on Viper. She is always in need of being saved, even in that scene. In the whole game, she needs to be rescued all the time.

Absolutely a damsel in distress. The whole game.

You can require being saved and still be a badass. Like I said over and over, she is physically weak, but has mental strength and courage, yet you keep on judging characters based on physical display alone.

Again? I'm keeping saying I'm not judging her only physically but also personality wise.

She is easily manipulated and used and has no backbone when people try to use her for their own purposes.

She is weak in both senses.

Easily manipulated? If you're thinking that scene with Agnus, she was shocked that Nero and Credo were fighting, not knowing what to think in that moment, whose side to take. And Agnus used that moment to kidnap her and place her in confinement, from which she was shifted to Savior. I'd like to see you get out of that energy barrier, it probably even drained her own energy.

And in fact that's exactly the kind of situations damsels in distress find themselves in!

Lady too was tricked by Arkham during a moment of uncertainty and doubt, and even stabbed violently in the thigh but even in such a situation, she found the will of actually opposing him and fight back.

Kyrie is nothing like that, she is passive and weak (not only physically).

Lady would have fallen to her death had it not been for Dante to catch her hand. It's bad to save people you care for now? Every man for himself?

No it's not bad. However Lady actually had some balls (figuratively) in difficult situations and the strength (intended as determination and force of will) to fight back.

She's not a damsel in distress like Kyrie. She's a strong character, both physically and in her personality. Kyrie isn't. At all.

So when Lady cries and needs to be rescued, it's okay, cause she can still shoot (in fact it is okay, just pointing something out). But when Kyrie does it, then it's damsel in distress, end of story. Doesn't matter that if she had a sword, she could very likely try to swing it around to protect. Also, what do you call rushing sacrifice your own life to save another than having a massive pair of figurative balls?

No, not because she can shoot. But because she showed she can overcome the dangerous situations she finds herself in through her own force of will and determination. Cause she has an actual - strong - personality, even if she's not as strong or powerful as the rest of the cast. That's why she's not a damsel in distress.

Something that Kyrie doesn't have.
That's why she's a total damsel in distress.

Kyrie is one of the most (if not the most) flat and weak (again, not intended in the physical sense only) characters in the franchise.

So she is worse than Enzo, who cries like a baby? Worse than Nina Lowell who simply gives up? Kyrie is courageous, she makes a run towards Credo and the man who just massacred knights cause her brother is in danger. She is prepared to take the blade in her back for the kid. You're calling strength of her compassion unimportant simply cause we never get to see her actually fight.

The strength of her compassion doesn't prevent her to have the damsel in distress role in the game. She needs to be saved all the time, characters like Lady don't.

To go back to the original claim, she, in the physical or personality standpoint, is not "tough" or "imposing" by any means. She has the traits that qualify her as a noble soul and a caring person, but definitely not "badass".

I'm just running in circles with you. I gave you examples that would in real world earn Kyrie a medal and worldwide recognition for bravery, but like a child addicted to action movies you still insist nothing of that matters cause metaphorically speaking she is just a shield and not a sword in battle.

You are confusing badassery and being caring and noble. She doesnt meet the requirements of the badass definition. And insist on the fact that I'm judging her only physically when I've been keeping telling you she's weak personality wise too.

It's not a matter of how she behaves in battle. It's that her personality is weak and make her a passive character that passively takes everything it's thrown at her in her difficult situations. Unlike other female characters in the games.

If she were passive, she would have let Nero drag her away. She would have run into safety, while the kid gets killed. She would have let Nero hate himself, rather than risking people's wrath later on. Nero and Kyrie are mimicking Sparda and Eva, but no one would say woman who loved a devil, loved her half-demon children and sacrificed her life to save them is not badass. You just keep seeing warrior types.