TGS 2015... maybe?

[Enigma]

Oh, I didn't know there were many DMC team members who left after DMC4. That sucks... I guess it also explains why a different team worked on DMC4 SE (at least, that's what I heard). Well, at least if they've got different people who'll work on DMC, they can also bring new ideas to the table.
Don't know why they're saying DMC got stale, though, considering they just started with a new character and new concepts such as the devil bringer. They can still do so many things, with Nero or possibly even Nelo Angelo if he somehow still exists. Heck, they can even do a game about Sparda, how he came to rebel against Mundus and how it all played out. If the series got stale, they've only got themselves to blame.

 

[LordOfDarkness]

@Enigma:

1) A lot of people don't like to consider DmC as a part of DMC. There's still evident cases to suggest that to this day.

2) Also we aren't trying to seem 'spoiled' enough that we can't wait another year. As I said in point 1, many won't consider DmC so we could easily overlook it. DmC doesn't continue the original DMC series. The last Devil May Cry game in the series is DMC 4 and that was over 7 years now. That's what people will look at here.

 

[Gel]

Oh, I didn't know there were many DMC team members who left after DMC4. That sucks... I guess it also explains why a different team worked on DMC4 SE (at least, that's what I heard). Well, at least if they've got different people who'll work on DMC, they can also bring new ideas to the table.
Don't know why they're saying DMC got stale, though, considering they just started with a new character and new concepts such as the devil bringer. They can still do so many things, with Nero or possibly even Nelo Angelo if he somehow still exists. Heck, they can even do a game about Sparda, how he came to rebel against Mundus and how it all played out. If the series got stale, they've only got themselves to blame.

@Enigma , for what I know some members from DMC team left for reasons unknown to me, but you can find some of them in Platinum games.
Even if DMC4Se still mentions Bingo Morihashi's name in the credits, the truth is that him, who was the main writer for DMC3 and DMC4( novel included) is no more related to Capcom; for what I got until now, none of the scenes of Vergil's introduction/ending where EVER mentioned in Bingo's book, so whatever this guy had planned for Nero's past and Vergil's story probably left with him.
Very few members( being Itsuno and Kobayashi of more relevance) stayed in Capcom, with rumors saying they were training young blood to be part of a newest DMC team, but rumors are just that: rumors.
For what I know now Vergil is forgotten, dead and rotten, BUT in fiction you can always bring someone back; same with Sparda.
So, who knows what will happen?Only time will tell...

 

[Enigma]

@Enigma:

1) A lot of people don't like to consider DmC as a part of DMC. There's still evident cases to suggest that to this day.

2) Also we aren't trying to seem 'spoiled' enough that we can't wait another year. As I said in point 1, many won't consider DmC so we could easily overlook it. DmC doesn't continue the original DMC series. The last Devil May Cry game in the series is DMC 4 and that was over 7 years now. That's what people will look at here.

Well, most people don't seem to care whether we get DMC5 or DmC2, so I'm just saying that if that's the case, the last Devil May Cry game was from two years ago. If you want to be technical, DMC4 SE was a DMC game... so you could argue that the last DMC game was from this year (even though it's an enhanced re-release). The argument was that DMC is dead simply because a new game hasn't been announced yet, even though we've gotten multiple indications they'll continue with DMC, and technically they already have worked on DMC again, by developing DMC4 SE. I just think it's ridiculous to stop and go ''DMC is DEAD!'' every time a game show doesn't mention anything about it.

But I see your point.

@Enigma , for what I know some members from DMC team left for reasons unknown to me, but you can find some of them in Platinum games.
Even if DMC4Se still mentions Bingo Morihashi's name in the credits, the truth is that him, who was the main writer for DMC3 and DMC4( novel included) is no more related to Capcom; for what I got until now, none of the scenes of Vergil's introduction/ending where EVER mentioned in Bingo's book, so whatever this guy had planned for Nero's past and Vergil's story probably left with him.
Very few members( being Itsuno and Kobayashi of more relevance) stayed in Capcom, with rumors saying they were training young blood to be part of a newest DMC team, but rumors are just that: rumors.
For what I know now Vergil is forgotten, dead and rotten, BUT in fiction you can always bring someone back; same with Sparda.
So, who knows what will happen?Only time will tell...

I only know that some Capcom members left way before DMC4 was ever made. But I'll take your word for it that many also left after DMC4. And yeah, I know Bingo isn't part of Capcom anymore, I think he already left even before the original DMC4 was finished (though I'm not sure)... which is why I don't like to consider Nero (game version Nero) being Vergil's son to be confirmed. With Sparda I think they could do an interesting story about how he came to rebel, but on the other hand, I'd like them to just continue with Nero and make him more like Sparda and Vergil combined.

 

[berto]

We have to remember too a lot of DMC team members left Capcom after DMC4.

I don't know if that is that bad a thing. DMC4's estetic was my least favorite out of the original's lot. If the game was completed I have little doubt that the game would play outstandingly but aside from some exceptions the game is my least favorite looking. I prefer the look of the original 3 games over the last two. The team was definitely talented so it's not that the look of the game was bad but it wasn't the kind of art style I'd associate with DMC.

@Enigma Double posting. Kindly refrain from it.

 

[Foxtrot94]

@berto
Actually I've always believed that DMC4's art team finally began to free DMC from its RE vibe, which imo ain't a bad thing.

I mean, as much as I LOVE DMC1/2/3 atmosphere and style A LOT, they also felt like they weren't their own thing. Too Resident Evil. You know what I mean. Like, instead of having their own "personality" in the setting, they borrow a good chunk from RE.

DMC4 for me was yeah a drastic change, but also felt like the series was being freed by its RE chains.

Now, I liked DMC4's style but I do feel it was maybe too drastic of a change. DMC came from a scrapped RE game after all, so some of that vibe should remain. I think a good mix between the art of DMC4 and the other 3 games would be ideal. And the team behind DMC4SE seems capable to pull it off. I mean, look at new game title screen. It's beautiful and atmospheric, with the camera running down that alley.

Sorry for the low quality image, it's the only one I could find.

 

[berto]

@berto
Actually I've always believed that DMC4's art team finally began to free DMC from its RE vibe, which imo ain't a bad thing.

I mean, as much as I LOVE DMC1/2/3 atmosphere and style A LOT, they also felt like they weren't their own thing. Too Resident Evil. You know what I mean. Like, instead of having their own "personality" in the setting, they borrow a good chunk from RE.

DMC4 for me was yeah a drastic change, but also felt like the series was being freed by its RE chains.

Now, I liked DMC4's style but I do feel it was maybe too drastic of a change. DMC came from a scrapped RE game after all, so some of that vibe should remain. I think a good mix between the art of DMC4 and the other 3 games would be ideal. And the team behind DMC4SE seems capable to pull it off. I mean, look at new game title screen. It's beautiful and atmospheric, with the camera running down that alley.

Sorry for the low quality image, it's the only one I could find.

I feel the exact opposite. I always found DMC1, and a few other Capcom titles released around the same time, to be a personal set of favorite set of mine. The RE atmosphere added with the action moves and protagonist to match are one of the reasons I've stayed so long but I know a game like DMC1 or the RE remake will never be made again. That doesn't mean that DMC4 is what I want as a replacement. It's too bright, too cartoon, the designs can be downright silly at times and DMC4 doesn't exactly have a unique personality of it's own, either, I'm seeing a lot of Sengoku Basara in DMC 4.

 

[Foxtrot94]

That is why I said a mix would be ideal.

 

[Gel]

@Enigma , urban legend says :
-Kobayashi thought Dante to be too old to be appealing, so he wanted to replace him with someone younger.This was true also for the DB concept: since Dante can full trigger, a devil bringer would be a silly concept for Dante.
-Nero as Vergil's child was a later concept.In the one of the first interviews Kobayashi swears Nero was unrelated to Sparda's bloodline, but since the boy had too much similitude to Sparda male members and he needed to be born from someone, they used Vergil as his progenitor ( Dante would be too messy to handle).When voice actors asked who Nero was, they acted very much like us: with a "WHAT?".
- Bingo just wrote the story they told him to do, which was to be butchered later at the point of not making any sense.
( contrary to what happened between Kamiya and Bingo: the two talked calmly, Kamiya gave him some hints and ideas. Bingo was free to make a story for his own.
-Funny enough, after they insisted on making Nero Vergil's son, they are hiding like rats from giving fanbase the definitive answer: how Vergil came to sire Nero and who was his woman. Fanbase is now so desperate of knowing the answers, they are already latching in the "prostitute theory", as silly as it can seems.
Maybe it's this which makes Capcom so careful on doing a DMC5.

But in the end , all this are only rumors...

Update:

Nero is REALLY Vergil's son:

 

[LordOfDarkness]

@Enigma: I'd say no, DMC isn't dead. It's just a question of whether it remains truly relevant. DMC 4: SE had little relevancy to me. It didn't answer anything or give a new story. I think with DMC, that's ultimately what people are expecting by now - DMC 5.

I think there's good reason to feel let down. But I also agree with you that we'll just have to wait longer. But no, it isn't dead.

 

[WolfOD64]

@Enigma - Bingo just wrote the story they told him to do, which was to be butchered later at the point of not making any sense.
( contrary to what happened between Kamiya and Bingo: the two talked calmly, Kamiya gave him some hints and ideas. Bingo was free to make a story for his own.

When you say "Kamiya and Bingo talking calmly", do you mean in producing the story for DMC1, or the story for Bayonetta 2?

 

[Gel]

When you say "Kamiya and Bingo talking calmly", do you mean in producing the story for DMC1, or the story for Bayonetta 2?

Bayo 2.Sorry for forgetting that part!

 

[WolfOD64]

Bayo 2.Sorry for forgetting that part!

Yeah, I was about to mention that DMC1's story was more of a collaboration of Shinji Mikami and Kamiya than anyone else. I don't even think Morihashi was on board with the series' writing until DMC2, when Itsuno's team came along.

 

[berto]

@Enigma , urban legend says :
-Kobayashi thought Dante to be too old to be appealing, so he wanted to replace him with someone younger.This was true also for the DB concept: since Dante can full trigger, a devil bringer would be a silly concept for Dante.
-Nero as Vergil's child was a later concept.In the one of the first interviews Kobayashi swears Nero was unrelated to Sparda's bloodline, but since the boy had too much similitude to Sparda male members and he needed to be born from someone, they used Vergil as his progenitor ( Dante would be too messy to handle).When voice actors asked who Nero was, they acted very much like us: with a "WHAT?".
- Bingo just wrote the story they told him to do, which was to be butchered later at the point of not making any sense.
( contrary to what happened between Kamiya and Bingo: the two talked calmly, Kamiya gave him some hints and ideas. Bingo was free to make a story for his own.
-Funny enough, after they insisted on making Nero Vergil's son, they are hiding like rats from giving fanbase the definitive answer: how Vergil came to sire Nero and who was his woman. Fanbase is now so desperate of knowing the answers, they are already latching in the "prostitute theory", as silly as it can seems.
Maybe it's this which makes Capcom so careful on doing a DMC5.

But in the end , all this are only rumors...

Update:

Nero is REALLY Vergil's son:

Ugh. You a'hole. You got your copy first. My won't arrive till tuesday.

 

[Gel]

Ugh. You a'hole. You got your copy first. My won't arrive till tuesday.

It was @Viper who found it in Gamefaqs.I received this from her precious hands since we stillç are canon nerds, even if there is no canon at all to study.
And I agree with you in DMC4 situation: I dislike the direction they took, how they turned that in pseudo romantic drama, how they change the characters.

 

[Foxtrot94]

And I agree with you in DMC4 situation: I dislike the direction they took, how they turned that in pseudo romantic drama, how they change the characters.

Eh? That's not even what we were talking about. We were talking about the art style. The visuals. Not the story nor the characters.

 

[Gel]

Eh? That's not even what we were talking about. We were talking about the art style. The visuals. Not the story nor the characters.

But the art just changed to compass the rest, you know!

 

[Foxtrot94]

But the art just changed to compass the rest, you know!

Not necessarily. You can have romantic melodrama and still have gritty and not-really-"cartoonish" (to put it on berto's terms) visuals. Look at the Twilight movies for example.

 

[Gel]

Not necessarily. You can have romantic melodrama and still have gritty and not-really-"cartoonish" (to put it on berto's terms) visuals. Look at the Twilight movies for example.

Don't talk about Twilight.I hate that thing and vampires shine there!

 

[absolitude]

will we have any h/s games at all this gen?