Who thought Vergil's true intentions were suggested well?

[DragonMaster2010]

Thats how I feel about Tim's Dante.

To be fair, Tim was too busy trying to make an american accent work while still having his whole Australian accent and I agree he did sound nasally, but if I can literally clench my nose together and say "I need more power" and sound exactly like Vergil off of DMC3, then something's off with that.

 

[heroofblades]

I think Virgil's power hungry agenda was obvious. I didn't think he would go for "I'm king of the whole world now!!" like he did but I kinda saw it coming. I can't point to quantized scenes in the game but some of the prior mentioned clips in this thread did kind of spell it out.

Personally, I can't stand this new Virgil; he's cowardly, manipulative and extremely dishonorable. Virgil killing Lillith during the prisoner exchange was a great example. He never planned to let her go, but was too cowardly to stand up to Dante about it. Whereas the last time we saw him, he never lied about his goals even once, and charged directly at anything that stood in his way (leading to his defeat at the hands of Mundus mind you).

I know some of you like the new Virgil, and that's fine, the internet is a free place for people to say what they want.
I'm just saying I had a lot more fun fighting an enemy that while I couldn't let them succeed, I could respect their goals.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I know some of you like the new Virgil, and that's fine, the internet is a free place for people to say what they want.
I'm just saying I had a lot more fun fighting an enemy that while I couldn't let them succeed, I could respect their goals.

oVergil threatened all of humanity just for power to the point where he began to forget WHY he wanted power.

nVergil wanted to enslave humanity with power to not only kill Dante, but to prove that he wasn't weak.

OVergil had a reason, but his reason just seemed like "I want power just because I deserve it". While NVergil was like "I want power because Dante made me mad".

 

[DarkSlayerZero]

Personally, I can't stand this new Virgil; he's cowardly, manipulative and extremely dishonorable.

Old Vergil had zero honor

 

[Teal]

Do you guys know the meaning of 'realistic'? I hope you do, cause that's what Ninja Theory went for in this reboot. They were not trying to make Vergil some sort of a samurai that follows a certain honorable code like Capcom went for, and it's clear they were not aiming for a coward Vergil either; they were going for a strategist.

The invisible war between The Order and Mundus' reign is one in which deception is required, just like with every other war that's taken place in real life. If Old Vergil would have taken a role in this war, it would have been long lost. Why? Because Mundus was not any fair. He used EVERY resource to make Dante, Vergil, Kat and the rest of The Order public enemies, while he hid in his huge lair, drinking demonic tea or whatever beverage demons enjoyed.

So yeah, enough of the hatred for new Vergil (and the new game in general) and let's make sure this thread returns to it's original topic.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

Old Vergil had zero honor

To be fair, original Vergil's honor was more of an 'unbeatable and lives up to the name' honor.
His honor came from the fact that he was a skilled warrior who would take on any foe who challenged him

Do you guys know the meaning of 'realistic'? I hope you do, cause that's what Ninja Theory went for in this reboot. .

Because jumping 20 feet in the air and using a shotgun like nunchakus is SO realistic

 

[Ronin]

I knew Vergil's motives would be evil.

He's following a dark path in power and pride. Like Lucifer overthrowing his Father, his Creator.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

To be fair, original Vergil's honor was more of an 'unbeatable and lives up to the name' honor.
His honor came from the fact that he was a skilled warrior who would take on any foe who challenged him

Just because you're brave and prideful doesn't mean your honorable or worthy of respect.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

he's cowardly

Many would consider this as Vergil not wanting to play his hand too early. It's much easier to manipulate others when they think they have you under their thumb. The longer someone underestimates you, the greater chance you have of surprising them when you strike.

To be fair, original Vergil's honor was more of an 'unbeatable and lives up to the name' honor. His honor came from the fact that he was a skilled warrior who would take on any foe who challenged him

That's not what it means to be honorable. It has little to do with being indomitable or expertly skilled, it's really about being virtuous and respectful - things that classic Vergil clearly was not. He was willing to do whatever was necessary to achieve his own selfish goals. He knew raising Temen-ni-gru would spell disaster for humanity (and it did) but he did it anyway. That's not virtuous in the slightest. He uses people left and right, and kills them when they outlive their usefulness. That's not respectful in any sense of the word >.<

Honorable Vergil is all headcanon from devoted fans, possibly brought about by the fact that he uses a weapon of a class based on honor.

Fun fact, petty thugs used katana as much as Samurai did :tongue: Hell, Samurai were often seen as giant douchenozzles because they would just kill passersby on the road to test out a new sword. Samurai were the swagfags of the Edo period.

 

[DarkSlayerZero]

To be fair, original Vergil's honor was more of an 'unbeatable and lives up to the name' honor.
His honor came from the fact that he was a skilled warrior who would take on any foe who challenged him
Because jumping 20 feet in the air and using a shotgun like nunchakus is SO realistic

That's just pride and stupidity, that's why he died.

 

[Dusk Stalker]

That's just pride and stupidity, that's why he died.

Its called dying with your boots on, yes pride played into it but what would you rather do if you knew their was no way out? Sit their and cry, do nothing, or do something about it?

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Being confident in your skills and "dying trying" don't make you honorable. It just means you have strong convictions.

 

[Dusk Stalker]

Being confident in your skills and "dying trying" don't make you honorable. It just means you have strong convictions.

Convictions play that, but again comes down to this question, if you were cornered or wounded and their was no way out, what would you do?

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Convictions play that, but again comes down to this question, if you were cornered or wounded and their was no way out, what would you do?

What does this have to do with honor...?

 

[Exejpgwmv]

Convictions play that, but again comes down to this question, if you were cornered or wounded and their was no way out, what would you do?

How is that question relevant? Whether or not you have strong convictions still doesn't automatically make you honorable and Vergil wasn't in that kind of situation.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

To be quite frank, Vergil saying "It should be fun to fight the king of Hell" is cocky. The same cockiness we get from Dante in the same game. The Sons of Sparda have a penchant for facetiousness :tongue:

 

[Dusk Stalker]

What does this have to do with honor...?

How is that question relevant? Whether or not you have strong convictions still doesn't automatically make you honorable and Vergil wasn't in that kind of situation.

Convictions can play into honor sometimes. Sometimes it works and flows right, sometimes it doesn't and becomes distorted.
That's what some people see and thats our opinion. Am I saying all of us see Vergil having any honor? No.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Having convictions isn't instantly a good thing. It's dependent on what the convictions are for. Hitler had strong convictions for his mass genocide, but that didn't make him honorable one bit.

The thing is I think people are confusing what the definition of "honor" is, because it is strictly a good quality, a universally accepted positive. Vergil is pretty much the exact opposite of honorable in pretty much every way. He lies, uses people, endangers and kills others, and is generally just a cold individual. Nothing about him could be construed as him being honorable.

The closest we ever come to "honor" and Vergil is DmC Vergil's honorable intentions of wanting to rule over humanity to take care of them, but even then his intentions of "goodwill" are overshadowed by the deceit and distrust of humanity. He wants to take care of them because he doesn't think they can take care of themselves - that's not honorable either.

Just because someone believes it and accepts it as headcanon doesn't make it at all true.

 

[CMAX]

The only thing that surprised me about his "betrayal" is that by the time I had gotten to that point in the game, I had just figured that they were saving the Vergil v Dante stuff for another game.

 

[DarkSlayerZero]

Its called dying with your boots on, yes pride played into it but what would you rather do if you knew their was no way out? Sit their and cry, do nothing, or do something about it?

Mundus wasn't even bothering him, Vergil just decided to attack.