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forgive if this has been discussed before but i just wanted to talk about eva since she has somewhat of major part in this game since both bosses the one shown in the captivate and e3 demo call her a whore and the secret ingredient boss just gets angry when dante says his name is dante in reply it says "Dante son of Sparda and Eva THE WHORE" it says spardas name calmly but becomes furious in mentioning eva. i think ive explained enough but my question is why is eva hated more in the reboot then the original series where she is hardly mentioned and its always about sparda? this means we might learn more about eva in this story line as well.
 
She is an angel in this game, which in my opinion increases the greatness of the star struck lovers aspect to Sparda and Eva in the story. It's the ultimate contrast. I can't wait to see the outcome.
 
I'm hoping that she was the daughter of a angel general or may be king and sparda was sent to kill her father . Sparda however fell in love with Eva and they eloped. Sparda returned to Mundus to kill him and end his tyranny but failed. In the mean time The angel lord sent his minions in the guise of demons to bring back Eva but they end up killing her. This happens while the twins were still very young. Sparda's friend in the demon world comes to know of this and so he took the twins and put them into orphanages in order to save the sparda blood line.
 
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I'm not totally impressed with what they're doing with Eva for the new one. Instead of being a demon or an angel or a supernatural being, Eva was human. That a human could make such an outstanding impact on a demon like Sparda, and that she could so nobley sacrifice herself for her family, is just so exemplary of the strength of the human spirit. Out of all of the hard asses in the series, Eva's love and humanity make her the strongest. In the new game, Dante not knowing his mother at all, and then making her an angel(?) just kind of sidelines the originality of Eva's character to me
 
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I'm not totally impressed with what they're doing with Eva for the new one. Instead of being a demon or an angel or a supernatural being, Eva was human. That a human could make such an outstanding impact on a demon like Sparda, and that she could so nobley sacrifice herself for her family, is just so exemplary of the strength of the human spirit. Out of all of the hard asses in the series, Eva's love and humanity make her the strongest. In the new game, Dante not knowing his mother at all, and then making her an angel(?) just kind of sidelines the originality of Eva's character to me


There's nothing original about Eva, at all. The half human half monster with a human mother who was attacked by monsters and separated from her has been done before, a lot.
She was not a character in the original series, just a characters' motivation. She was not developed at all.
Here, we see that Sparda must've been a prominent and possibly admired demon since the insults by other demons are usually directed at his wife, not him. In this game, we at least have her name mentioned and her enemies' negative judgement of her showing the MASSIVE impact her actions had on the demon world. Already, we haven't even seen her (unless that's her in the picture of Dante surrounded by angels) or heard her, but she has a real presence beyond just being Dante's mother. This game has been GIVING Eva a character before we even know her character.
I'm not impressed that a demon would meet and fall in love with a human. If he came to earth for refuge, it would happen that he'd meet a human woman- I mean they ARE everywhere on earth and demons do frequent our realm from time-to-time, it would happen. ...But, how the hell did a demon lord and a friggen angel hook up? It just doesn't happen! AND they had kids?! WTF?!!!!!! THAT'S a story I want to hear!
 
i really want her to have her own unique weapon. like how sparda had force edge. something angelic that has a s*** ton of power. as now she isnt just a human. shes an angel with power equal to spardas. so im intersted to see how angels react to dante as well as the demons.
 
i think they are doing more with her than they did before( which was nothing) so im interested in seeing what they do with her.

I'm guessing she might appear as a antagonistic figure. With her in the game, Trish has no role tho but i'd just make trish Eva's angel apprentice.
 
I'm not totally impressed with what they're doing with Eva for the new one. Instead of being a demon or an angel or a supernatural being, Eva was human. That a human could make such an outstanding impact on a demon like Sparda, and that she could so nobley sacrifice herself for her family, is just so exemplary of the strength of the human spirit. Out of all of the hard asses in the series, Eva's love and humanity make her the strongest. In the new game, Dante not knowing his mother at all, and then making her an angel(?) just kind of sidelines the originality of Eva's character to me

Watch Inuyasha. You'll see where Eva's "originality" came from.;)
 
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There's nothing original about Eva, at all. The half human half monster with a human mother who was attacked by monsters and separated from her has been done before, a lot.
She was not a character in the original series, just a characters' motivation. She was not developed at all.
Here, we see that Sparda must've been a prominent and possibly admired demon since the insults by other demons are usually directed at his wife, not him. In this game, we at least have her name mentioned and her enemies' negative judgement of her showing the MASSIVE impact her actions had on the demon world. Already, we haven't even seen her (unless that's her in the picture of Dante surrounded by angels) or heard her, but she has a real presence beyond just being Dante's mother. This game has been GIVING Eva a character before we even know her character.
I'm not impressed that a demon would meet and fall in love with a human. If he came to earth for refuge, it would happen that he'd meet a human woman- I mean they ARE everywhere on earth and demons do frequent our realm from time-to-time, it would happen. ...But, how the hell did a demon lord and a friggen angel hook up? It just doesn't happen! AND they had kids?! WTF?!!!!!! THAT'S a story I want to hear!

Yeah, I have to disagree with you. Rather than just being Dante’s drive in Devil May Cry 1, Eva seems to represent the goodness and strength of humans as a race, which is important since they don’t hold the power that demons do. Her sacrifice, far from being inconsequential and cliché also has a HUGE impact on Dante as well as the Demon World. After all, in whose image does Mundus create Trish? Consequently, when she and Dante fight in the Underworld, the most emotionally charged thing Dante says to her is that she will never have the “fire” of his mother, a strength that all the characters feel and understand. Taking away that drive in DmC guts the original character of Dante, because the greatest lesson he learned from his mother, the strength of the human heart, and the necessity to protect the human race is never learned.
Additionally, in what you call a strengthening of her character, I feel that the arbitrary decision to make Eva an angel that Dante never knew, only continues to trivialize her. The truth is that DmC is being made by a separate company that does not share any part of the original series’ message or understand its direction and intent. The decision to make her an angel has nothing to do with furthering Eva’s storyline. If you want to talk about an overused plot line, let’s talk about literally the oldest story in the book: Angels vs Demons. Ninja Theory is simply trying to make a game that will appeal to a mass audience rather than staying true to the original storyline. It’s not necessarily a bad thing. Trivializing the plot in order to appeal to a mass audience is a good way to sell a game. I respect your opnion, but I like entertainment that does not do that.
 
I too, want to see more with Eva. I hope she's a warrior of Heaven in this one. Maybe something like this
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Yeah, I have to disagree with you. Rather than just being Dante’s drive in Devil May Cry 1, Eva seems to represent the goodness and strength of humans as a race,
In what way did the stories emphasize this point in a direct complete way? Aside from a few mentions, the point of Eva's sacrifice is never relevant in the story.
Her sacrifice, far from being inconsequential and cliché also has a HUGE impact on Dante as well as the Demon World.
Again... What impact on the demon world? What demons mentioned her? What demons even know or care? She has no relevance to anything. She was mentioned only as motivation for the main character, that is all.
After all, in whose image does Mundus create Trish? Consequently, when she and Dante fight in the Underworld, the most emotionally charged thing Dante says to her is that she will never have the “fire” of his mother, a strength that all the characters feel and understand.
What characters feel and understand? That line was passive at best and should have been followed by another line affirming and supporting just what it meant. Unfortunately it was poorly written and served as a shallow sound-byte. "You'll never have her fire?" In what way did she have fire? Develop a character over a story before you make affirmations and statements and then, the audience can agree.
Taking away that drive in DmC guts the original character of Dante, because the greatest lesson he learned from his mother, the strength of the human heart, and the necessity to protect the human race is never learned.
Nor was it learned In the original series. Why does Dante protect people? What specific reason of lesson was he taught by this great mother of his that lead him to become a hero? Also, there are many ways a young person can discover themselves through the actions and sacrifices of other before them without having come in contact with them. Your point of view is too one dimensional.
Additionally, in what you call a strengthening of her character, I feel that the arbitrary decision to make Eva an angel that Dante never knew, only continues to trivialize her. The truth is that DmC is being made by a separate company that does not share any part of the original series’ message or understand its direction and intent. The decision to make her an angel has nothing to do with furthering Eva’s storyline.
Eva never had a storyline! EVER!!! It's Dante's story. Eva is a poorly described, poorly executed focus intended to help flesh out the motivations of the main character. Try this, what can you say about Eva in the original series that you cannot say about any caring mother? So she dies trying to defend her children from danger. Any mother would do that! That does not give her any particular fire or depth as a character. It just makes her a normal caring mother. Also, The decision to make Eva an angel is not arbitrary, it facilitates an instigates massive number of difficult and complex story elements that, now, must be addressed since the very nature of her being is now the absolute antithesis of her lovers'. It's like the difference between setting fire to wood and setting fire to water.
If you want to talk about an overused plot line, let’s talk about literally the oldest story in the book: Angels vs Demons. Ninja Theory is simply trying to make a game that will appeal to a mass audience rather than staying true to the original storyline. It’s not necessarily a bad thing. Trivializing the plot in order to appeal to a mass audience is a good way to sell a game. I respect your opnion, but I like entertainment that does not do that.
What aspect of the original plot was not trivial or cliched? Also, the plot is not about angels vs demons or Eva and Sparda, it's about a young man coming to terms with a world he feels he has no part in. The love story and war between heaven and hell are simply backdrops and setups to that. I think you have a very limited grasp of what story elements are. This is a coming of age tale, that is all. The flashy lights acrobatics and setup are just aesthetics chosen to add flavor this tale. The symbolism is not indirect, and the satire is obvious. The themes are kept familiar, yes, because that helps keep focus on the points the story will try to make. Points that would be lost on minds, like yours. weaned on lesser efforts at narrative. Also, don't ever compare the narrative in the original series to anything resembling decent storytelling.
 
Well, I felt like I explained myself respectfully and coherently, but none of that seemed to come across in your response. For your benefit, I'll assume you were so overwhelmed by your great passion for the future direction of the Devil May Cry series that you only temporarily suspended your ability to argue with rationality and grace. I'm kind of confused, everything you say in response to my points I already answer. It's a little redundant to have to comb through your responses but here you go:
"In what way did the stories emphasize this point in a direct complete way? Aside from a few mentions, the point of Eva's sacrifice is never relevant in the story. "
"What characters feel and understand?



"Why does Dante protect people? What specific reason of lesson was he taught by this great mother of his that lead him to become a hero?"



Well, since you're unconvinced by my own humble testimony, let me quote this passage from the Devil May Cry wiki. Since anyone can edit it, what remains in the wiki is a representation of what everyone on the internet agrees upon specifically about Devil May Cry, or else it would be deleted. Let's see what it says:


Sometime before Dante and Vergil's 8th birthday, she gave each of the boys one half of Sparda's Perfect Amulet. Afterwards, she was killed in a demon attack ordered by Mundus. She hid Dante underneath two stones and told him never to come out, no matter what. She gave her life for her sons[1]. Eva's death is most likely the event that shaped the paths Dante and Vergil took, causing Dante to fight demons and Vergil to search for Force Edge.

After Dante grew to adulthood,
Trish was made by Mundus to look like Eva in order to manipulate Dante. Dante's lingering feelings for Eva are most clearly seen when Trish is saved by Dante despite her already showing her true colors. However, despite comments from Dante such as, "you have her face, but you'll never have her fire," and, "Next time, it won't be like this," he later saves her life again, nearly at the cost of his own.

-"Most likey the event that shaped the paths Dante and Vergil took, causing Dante to fight demons" ?
-Trish was "made by Mundus to look like Eva" ?
-Dante "saves her life again, nearly at the cost of his own due to lingering feelings for Eva" ?

I'm not sure. My mind has been "weaned on lesser attempts as narrative", as you so gracefully put it, but I'm going to guess that this passage refers to 4 people upon whom Eva's made an impact: Mundus understands Eva’s relevance, which is his sole reason for making Trish in the image of Dante's mother, because he knows the power her image evokes. Trish knows. When Dante talks of Eva’s “fire,” it makes her re-evaluate herself by Eva's standards and choose instead to emulate her love. She sacrifices herself for Dante in the same way that Eva did, making her more human as a result. Dante knows, because it is Eva's love which drives his character. Vergil knows. Eva's death spun Vergil into a mad lust for power to validate his inability to save his mother. I would say that every character is affected by Eva's presence in the story.
That's leaving out Sparda of course, he only married her, probably no relevance there. Assuming this analysis is correct, my original statement that "Dante learned the strength of the human heart and the necessity to protect it" from his mother seems to be backed by...well THE INTERNET. Let's continue:
That line was passive at best.


"You'll never have her fire."-- You're right. Because if there's anything that's passive, it's a mother's love personified by fire.

Again... What impact on the demon world? What demons mentioned her? What demons even know or care?

Well, only the emperor of the Underworld Mundus. In the original plotline, Eva is killed under order by Mundus, as she was so important in ensuring the eradication of the Sparda bloodline. Her impact on the demon world is further shown through her sons Dante and Vergil, whose conflicts threaten the balance between both worlds. I'm assuming this question is based off of demons calling Eva a "whore," in the new game. Somehow, cursing out Eva just does not resonate with me as being deep or meaningful.


She was mentioned only as motivation for the main character, that is all.


By the same logic, Lily Potter sacrificing herself for her son is unimportant, or The Boss's death in Metal Gear Solid 3 doesn't hold any relevance to the characters, or Uncle Ben's death has no meaning for Spider-Man because he only has a few panels in the comic and then dies anyway. These characters and their motivations are the reasons why they are so important. No Lily? No Harry Potter. No Boss? No Patriots. No Uncle Ben? No Spiderman. No Eva? No Dante.Eva never had a storyline! EVER!!!

Don't believe what anyone tells you, exclamation points and capitalization actually do make whatever you say sound smarter. They also make your opinions fact, because Eva marrying a demon named Sparda, having two sons, and then dying to protect them is definitely not a storyline. Unless the definition of a storyline is a story... wait a minute...

Eva is a poorly described

It's already present in the games what she does and what she brings to the story. Aside from that, there's literally a picture of her on Dante's desk at all times during the games. If a description isn't enough, look at the picture. Or Trish. Or neither and pretend she doesn't have a storyline again.

So she dies trying to defend her children from danger. Any mother would do that! That does not give her any particular fire or depth as a character
Tell your mom that her love for you doesn't mean anything or give her any depth or impact in your life.

"The decision to make Eva an angel is not arbitrary, it facilitates an instigates massive number of difficult and complex story elements that, now, must be addressed since the very nature of her being is now the absolute antithesis of her lovers'. It's like the difference between setting fire to wood and setting fire to water."

What poetry. I'll admit, I shed a tear. Although to play the devil's advocate *wink wink* a demon is an evil and powerful being right? Wouldn't the antithesis of an evil, powerful being be a good and vulnerable being? You didn't really elaborate on the number of difficult and complex story elements that would result from the change of Eva from a human to an angel, but you did acknowledge this and these are your own words:
The flashy lights acrobatics and setup are just aesthetics chosen to add flavor this tale. The symbolism is not indirect, and the satire is obvious. The themes are kept familiar, yes, because that helps keep focus on the points the story will try to make. "
So if I'm to understand you correctly, you're telling me that the idea to introduce angels via Eva into the plot is representative of flashy lights to add flavor to the tale? Or did you mean that it's simply a theme used to introduce familiarity so that the points of the story will shine through? I don't know man, which would you prefer? A game that treats shifts in the character's bios as fluff to push aesthetics, or one that would opt for making their product more “obvious” and “familiar” to your taste as opposed to introducing you to something unfamiliar and exciting? What "massive" "difficult" "complex" story lines would they present with this change?

Well Tiran, I hope you answer my questions with the time and respect with which I have answered yours. And oh yeah:

Eva never had a storyline! EVER!!!


Also, don't ever compare the narrative in the original series to anything resembling decent storytelling.


Chill the **** out dude, it's a videogame.
 
i really want her to have her own unique weapon. like how sparda had force edge. something angelic that has a s*** ton of power. as now she isnt just a human. shes an angel with power equal to spardas. so im intersted to see how angels react to dante as well as the demons.
Now I have an interest in her power level and I doubt they are equal in terms of power. One of them must be superior to the other.
 
I'm not totally impressed with what they're doing with Eva for the new one. Instead of being a demon or an angel or a supernatural being, Eva was human. That a human could make such an outstanding impact on a demon like Sparda, and that she could so nobley sacrifice herself for her family, is just so exemplary of the strength of the human spirit. Out of all of the hard asses in the series, Eva's love and humanity make her the strongest. In the new game, Dante not knowing his mother at all, and then making her an angel(?) just kind of sidelines the originality of Eva's character to me

I actually will have to agree with this. The new Dante comes quite short in terms of his "humanity."

Alex mentioned it himself in one of the interviews. Dante is not killing the demons because he will help humanity, he's killing them because he hates them... which are two completely different things. The old Dante had his mother's influence him in order to help the humans and fight off the demons who wanted to do wrong. Original or not, his mother was basically the reason why he did what he did. In this case, Dante's cause is simply revenge for what the demons have done to him... which is straight out darker.

If anything, the game is a lot more realistic so Dante does seem a lot more "human." But having an angel mother completely throws his humanity out of the window; in other words, he probably gives zero ****s about humans. On the other hand, having an angel mother also opens up possibilities of a whole new background for Dante, which is what NT is trying to do with this... I believe.
 
Slightly off-topc, but it would sort of neat for their be an Angelic weapon named 'Eva', much like how We had the Sparda sword in DMC 1.
 
Slightly off-topc, but it would sort of neat for their be an Angelic weapon named 'Eva', much like how We had the Sparda sword in DMC 1.

There might be. I would not be too shocked if one of our angel weapons was Eva and one of the demons was Sparda.
 
Well, I felt like I explained myself respectfully and coherently, but none of that seemed to come across in your response. For your benefit, I'll assume you were so overwhelmed by your great passion for the future direction of the Devil May Cry series that you only temporarily suspended your ability to argue with rationality and grace. I'm kind of confused, everything you say in response to my points I already answer. It's a little redundant to have to comb through your responses but here you go:
"In what way did the stories emphasize this point in a direct complete way? Aside from a few mentions, the point of Eva's sacrifice is never relevant in the story. "
"What characters feel and understand?


"Why does Dante protect people? What specific reason of lesson was he taught by this great mother of his that lead him to become a hero?"


Well, since you're unconvinced by my own humble testimony, let me quote this passage from the Devil May Cry wiki. Since anyone can edit it, what remains in the wiki is a representation of what everyone on the internet agrees upon specifically about Devil May Cry, or else it would be deleted. Let's see what it says:

Sometime before Dante and Vergil's 8th birthday, she gave each of the boys one half of Sparda's Perfect Amulet. Afterwards, she was killed in a demon attack ordered by Mundus. She hid Dante underneath two stones and told him never to come out, no matter what. She gave her life for her sons[1]. Eva's death is most likely the event that shaped the paths Dante and Vergil took, causing Dante to fight demons and Vergil to search for Force Edge.

After Dante grew to adulthood, Trish was made by Mundus to look like Eva in order to manipulate Dante. Dante's lingering feelings for Eva are most clearly seen when Trish is saved by Dante despite her already showing her true colors. However, despite comments from Dante such as, "you have her face, but you'll never have her fire," and, "Next time, it won't be like this," he later saves her life again, nearly at the cost of his own.
-"Most likey the event that shaped the paths Dante and Vergil took, causing Dante to fight demons" ?
-Trish was "made by Mundus to look like Eva" ?
-Dante "saves her life again, nearly at the cost of his own due to lingering feelings for Eva" ?

I'm not sure. My mind has been "weaned on lesser attempts as narrative", as you so gracefully put it, but I'm going to guess that this passage refers to 4 people upon whom Eva's made an impact: Mundus understands Eva’s relevance, which is his sole reason for making Trish in the image of Dante's mother, because he knows the power her image evokes. Trish knows. When Dante talks of Eva’s “fire,” it makes her re-evaluate herself by Eva's standards and choose instead to emulate her love. She sacrifices herself for Dante in the same way that Eva did, making her more human as a result. Dante knows, because it is Eva's love which drives his character. Vergil knows. Eva's death spun Vergil into a mad lust for power to validate his inability to save his mother. I would say that every character is affected by Eva's presence in the story. That's leaving out Sparda of course, he only married her, probably no relevance there. Assuming this analysis is correct, my original statement that "Dante learned the strength of the human heart and the necessity to protect it" from his mother seems to be backed by...well THE INTERNET. Let's continue:
That line was passive at best.

"You'll never have her fire."-- You're right. Because if there's anything that's passive, it's a mother's love personified by fire.

Again... What impact on the demon world? What demons mentioned her? What demons even know or care?

Well, only the emperor of the Underworld Mundus. In the original plotline, Eva is killed under order by Mundus, as she was so important in ensuring the eradication of the Sparda bloodline. Her impact on the demon world is further shown through her sons Dante and Vergil, whose conflicts threaten the balance between both worlds. I'm assuming this question is based off of demons calling Eva a "whore," in the new game. Somehow, cursing out Eva just does not resonate with me as being deep or meaningful.


She was mentioned only as motivation for the main character, that is all.

By the same logic, Lily Potter sacrificing herself for her son is unimportant, or The Boss's death in Metal Gear Solid 3 doesn't hold any relevance to the characters, or Uncle Ben's death has no meaning for Spider-Man because he only has a few panels in the comic and then dies anyway. These characters and their motivations are the reasons why they are so important. No Lily? No Harry Potter. No Boss? No Patriots. No Uncle Ben? No Spiderman. No Eva? No Dante.Eva never had a storyline! EVER!!!

Don't believe what anyone tells you, exclamation points and capitalization actually do make whatever you say sound smarter. They also make your opinions fact, because Eva marrying a demon named Sparda, having two sons, and then dying to protect them is definitely not a storyline. Unless the definition of a storyline is a story... wait a minute...

Eva is a poorly described

It's already present in the games what she does and what she brings to the story. Aside from that, there's literally a picture of her on Dante's desk at all times during the games. If a description isn't enough, look at the picture. Or Trish. Or neither and pretend she doesn't have a storyline again.

So she dies trying to defend her children from danger. Any mother would do that! That does not give her any particular fire or depth as a character
Tell your mom that her love for you doesn't mean anything or give her any depth or impact in your life.

"The decision to make Eva an angel is not arbitrary, it facilitates an instigates massive number of difficult and complex story elements that, now, must be addressed since the very nature of her being is now the absolute antithesis of her lovers'. It's like the difference between setting fire to wood and setting fire to water."

What poetry. I'll admit, I shed a tear. Although to play the devil's advocate *wink wink* a demon is an evil and powerful being right? Wouldn't the antithesis of an evil, powerful being be a good and vulnerable being? You didn't really elaborate on the number of difficult and complex story elements that would result from the change of Eva from a human to an angel, but you did acknowledge this and these are your own words:
The flashy lights acrobatics and setup are just aesthetics chosen to add flavor this tale. The symbolism is not indirect, and the satire is obvious. The themes are kept familiar, yes, because that helps keep focus on the points the story will try to make. "
So if I'm to understand you correctly, you're telling me that the idea to introduce angels via Eva into the plot is representative of flashy lights to add flavor to the tale? Or did you mean that it's simply a theme used to introduce familiarity so that the points of the story will shine through? I don't know man, which would you prefer? A game that treats shifts in the character's bios as fluff to push aesthetics, or one that would opt for making their product more “obvious” and “familiar” to your taste as opposed to introducing you to something unfamiliar and exciting? What "massive" "difficult" "complex" story lines would they present with this change?

Well Tiran, I hope you answer my questions with the time and respect with which I have answered yours. And oh yeah:

Eva never had a storyline! EVER!!!

Also, don't ever compare the narrative in the original series to anything resembling decent storytelling.

Chill the **** out dude, it's a videogame.


Absolutely none of that supported your claims. You just listed a bunch of facts about Dante and Eva's past. I could do the same with the characters in the recent Transformers films. They had strong quotes, they had a deep back-story varied characters and a rich history, but it means nothing if the story is told poorly. All of the info you gave is back-story, not plot, and not well conveyed in the narrative of the plot, just thrown in when convenient. I'm sorry, but We know nothing about Eva that I don't know about your mother or you don't know about mine. She's a weak character. Just because Dante wants revenge on demons because of her death... Whoop-dee-doo, every revenge story plays out like that. It doesn't make the story great as it is only the inciting drive that motivates the main character in the story. What happens after that is what makes the story.
 
If the story was told poorly in the game, then I'd have nothing to aruge. And saying "Absolutely none of that supported your claims," just says to me that you didn't understand anything I wrote above, so let me enlighten you. I addressed every single problem you had with Eva's original character coherently and factually. If you still don't understand Eva's importance and believe her character is weak or poorly written, please just read it again. Seriously. But at the end of the day, if you have nothing to say other than "Dante wants revenge on demons because of her death... Whoop-dee-doo," than my time is honestly better spent playing with myself, or vaccuming my house.

I'm just going to ignore that you didn't answer the questions I ended my last post with, but I'll comment on what you've said here. "What happens after that is what makes the story." I've told you what happens after the story, I've told you what happens before the story, and I've told you happens during the story. None of it is thrown in "when convenient." The story is focused on Dante, so there's never going to be a cutscene with Eva walking around. But the fact that a character that has never made a physical appearance in the game, past being seen as a photograph on Dante's desk, can be so fleshed out and well written, is amazing to me. The only thing I can think of that you would have a problem with, is that Eva's never made a physical appearance in the game, and that demons don't call her a whore at random. If that's the case, then you truly deserve whatever Ninja Theory has turned Devil May Cry into when it's shipped out.