Who should have won? Dante or Vergil

[Dante666666]

uh......eh...... i think neither would win like alastor12 said. Anyway no one would let them finish a fight its always interuppted

 

[machindix]

Dante (<--- sure took me a while to decide...)

I can't say it's because he has more weapons or better skills and stuff. It's just that I see more determination in Dante. I think he could become even more reckless than Vergil once he's found his purpose, and this gives him more prowess in battle. That's why Vergil always ends up losing despite his better skills.

 

[Dark Elf]

That's because of storyline

 

[machindix]

No, I'm talking about the overall battle performance here. My point is: sometimes it just takes more than skills for one to become a good fighter. If you'd simply asked me who has better skills, I'd say Vergil. But if you ask me who'd win, I'd say Dante...

 

[Dark Elf]

I meant that we didn't actually see the real battle between Dante & Vergil, we saw a script in storyline

 

[King Avallach]

Dante (<--- sure took me a while to decide...)

I can't say it's because he has more weapons or better skills and stuff. It's just that I see more determination in Dante. I think he could become even more reckless than Vergil once he's found his purpose, and this gives him more prowess in battle. That's why Vergil always ends up losing despite his better skills.

You can't lose with better skills unless you're seriously handicapped. Could you further articulate the validity of your argument? After all recklessness only ends in failure.

 

[Dark Elf]

And maybe D&V just have the similar skills?

 

[machindix]

You can't lose with better skills unless you're seriously handicapped. Could you further articulate the validity of your argument? After all recklessness only ends in failure.

Well... there you have the discrepancy between western and oriental philosophy. (<--- if you happen to like Japanese manga you'll know what I mean...)

To me, the motivation and the will to accomplish is something that transends ability in improtance as the crucial key to success, espeacially when it comes to two equal forces battling against each other.

I think you mentioned a few posts before that Vergil had many a chance to finish off Dante, that is, he had the ability to do so. But why didn't he do it? Because he hadn't the will. Some "pesky brotherly love" got in his way (<--- at least that's how I interpreted it)

Vergil, despite his determination to eliminate all obstacles to obtain power, could not make up his mind to kill his own brother. I think this sign suggests that he still had doubts in his own motivation, and it was this irresolution that led to his downfall, if not anything else.

So my opinion is that given a purpose, Dante is the one who would win simply because he is sure of his own beliefs and doesn't have much doubts like Vergil. I can't say the same for casual fights though...

And uh... I think I used a wrong word in my second-to-the last post. I meant to use "ruthless", not "reckless"...

My mistake. orz

 

[Dark Elf]

I'm possibly wrong, but I think that emotions doesn't show the result of the batttle

 

[machindix]

I'm possibly wrong, but I think that emotions doesn't show the result of the batttle

Maybe it doesn't affect you, but I always do poorly at something when I think it's pointless or when I'm in low spirits... >_<

 

[Dark Elf]

Got it

 

[King Avallach]

Maybe it doesn't affect you, but I always do poorly at something when I think it's pointless or when I'm in low spirits... >_<

Besides Vergil was OBSESSED with power, now I call that motivated. It may not be as chivalrous a reason to be motivated as Dante's motives but it's still strong motivation. On top of this Dante didn't really seem all that bothered until the very end. Also I can't believe that Vergil tried to use Force Edge to beat Dante in the end cutscene when Yamato had a much longer reach. Vergil would have realised that, until late in the game he appears to be far more collected than Dante.

 

[Dark Elf]

Nice arguments

 

[King Avallach]

Nice arguments

fairly obvious though.

 

[Dark Elf]

If you want to hear my opinion, I just think that Vergil used FE in the last cutscene coz he thought it had more power. He hoped to kill Dante with a single hit

 

[King Avallach]

If you want to hear my opinion, I just think that Vergil used FE in the last cutscene coz he thought it had more power. He hoped to kill Dante with a single hit

I don't think Vergil was intent on killing Dante. In the end sequence he told Dante to escape, remember. Dante was the one who said "Let's finish this"

 

[Dark Elf]

That was my opinion, you don't have to agree with it

 

[King Avallach]

That was my opinion, you don't have to agree with it

I know, I was stating my opinion as well. Same applies.

 

[Dark Elf]

We've got many theories based on our opinions. Why don't Capcom just look here and learn?

 

[King Avallach]

We've got many theories based on our opinions. Why don't Capcom just look here and learn?

Yeah right, that's gonna happen.