LeoXCV
Single life for life
So is it more of an actual move than just a dodge? (Because of the quick slash)
Also seems like a bit of a complex way just to dodge, I don't see very many people being able to pull it off correctly very much.
No Lock-On Is Actually Better Than Outdated Lock-On
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Also seems like a bit of a complex way just to dodge, I don't see very many people being able to pull it off correctly very much.
MultiBro
Darkest Dungeon
From what I understand, the developers said that the focus for Raidens gameplay wasn't on dodging but more on moving around and block/parry. So I guess it makes sense to have the dodge work like that instead.
MultiBro
Darkest Dungeon
Like I said in my previous post, the gameplay focus seems to be more on attacking and block/parry.
Ah, I see, and I agree. There never really is and probably never will be. The reason being is that it would be awfully dumb on the developer's part to give the enemies as much gravity- defying abilities as you have (this is for any HnS game btw) as it would make fighting them quite difficult and annoying (especially since some of them are bad enough on the ground as it is). So most of your fighting would be done on the ground, thus you would have a greater amount of ground moves/combos than air. Thankfully, we have glitches on our side. They enable us to break the rules of the game and treat it like the masochistic b*tch it is. Mechanics like Jump Cancelling and Air Resetting give us enough control of aerial combat that really we would only need a few air moves to completely obliterate the poor soul of the fool who dared to get juggled into the air in the first place. Thus, there really isn't a need for a higher focus on aerial combat as placing a larger emphasis on it would only (slightly) take away the pleasure of using its various glitches to bend the game over my lap, spanking it on its flat bottom, and forcing it to call me its "daddy."
You get what I'm saying?
LeoXCV
Single life for life
Thanks, it would make sense that way. Also it's a perfect example of lock-on being suited to it's style/gameplay.
Man I really need to start looking up more MGR stuff since release is getting pretty close.
Ether0
Nephilim Lover
okay that makes sense then. I cant wait to try it out, it's been too long since I've had some Bayonetta style nonsense and ridiculousness
Gbraga
Well-known Member
We're at that time in the cycle where supporters will bash on great games and mechanics just to say how incredibly awesome the new one is, huh?
They did some things right that deserve to be credited, some of them should be carried to a DMC5 if they ever make one. The lack of a lock-on is not one of them.
They did some things right that deserve to be credited, some of them should be carried to a DMC5 if they ever make one. The lack of a lock-on is not one of them.
Goldsickle
Well-known Member
I'm all for lock-on in action games. Just not "survival horror" lock-on.
Shin Muramasa
Metallic Stranger
I understand, but the BDSM is really taking it far. I just wish in a future game, and this probably will frustrate people to no end, enemies would stop being fodder or getting too staggered. Even if you get pummeled during a fight, there's always an opening for counter attacks. On ground and during the air, maybe enemies could counter you if you repeat a move too many times.
I mean, it sort of gets predictable if someone keeps mashing Combo A on you and you'd probably be able to respond quickly. But if someone were to mix up from Combo A to D to B to Move F and continue on, that would be unpredictable and hard to counter. Enemies may be grunts and brutes, but you'd think they'd be smarter. I just think that enemies getting staggered so easily and so continuously is sort of, I don't know, too easy especially with the technology we have today. Hopefully we can go from player vs hordes of fodder enemy with some intelligent enemies to player vs horde of intelligent enemy and some fodder.
MultiBro
Darkest Dungeon
Goldsickle
Well-known Member
Then that's just a random point tossed in with no relevance.
The lack of a dodge function does not change the fact that lock-on in that game is more functional than the past DMC games.
In a fast-paced game where even a split second of lag could be fatal, looks does not override functionality.
Genre? Style?
Could you actually explain in detail without opening yourself to self-contradictions?
As mentioned, the slowed down movement during lock-on only occurred due to DMC's origin as a Resident Evil 4 beta, when "lock on" = "draw weapon".
Now it's just "lock-on". There's no need for Dante to slow down to take aim whenever he's focused on an enemy.
Drake
Well-known Member
The bosses trailer is pretty badass to,
MultiBro
Darkest Dungeon
Mistrals seems to have interesting...... "plot" and "backstory".
Monsoon looks to be a bitch to fight.
I agree that the lock-on in the old games wasn't perfect, but to say that this game's lack of lock-on is better? That's where I disagree. I think the slow movement was to prevent Dante from running around when you didn't do the combo right or pressed up before pressing B because the system relied a lot on directional input.
While having lock-on slow you down is annoying, it doesn't slow you down at all with your actual attacks and move sets. There's no real need to walk to an enemy unless he's far away, in which case you just use stinger or trickster to get to him. The lock-on did not interfere with actual combat. I believe it made you slow down because it involved so much directional
DmC's lack of lock on constantly makes it so Dante attacks the wrong enemy, disrupting my flow of combat and makes it so that I have to re position myself in the middle of a battle, which kills all fluidity of combat. In DMC3 or 4 I never found walking to due this because I never walked or ran towards my enemies. I used stinger or trickster to get to them.
While having lock-on slow you down is annoying, it doesn't slow you down at all with your actual attacks and move sets. There's no real need to walk to an enemy unless he's far away, in which case you just use stinger or trickster to get to him. The lock-on did not interfere with actual combat. I believe it made you slow down because it involved so much directional
DmC's lack of lock on constantly makes it so Dante attacks the wrong enemy, disrupting my flow of combat and makes it so that I have to re position myself in the middle of a battle, which kills all fluidity of combat. In DMC3 or 4 I never found walking to due this because I never walked or ran towards my enemies. I used stinger or trickster to get to them.
Ether0
Nephilim Lover
Indeed that it awesome. You just cant go wrong with cyber ninja's and tons of blood.
Ether0
Nephilim Lover
Although that does happen and does need to be improved in the next iteration I think the fact that your constantly moving is a good thing and was part of the plan when they developed the combat for the game. I personally enjoy it but can see why others would not. I like the different feeling it adds to combat(not saying the lock one and single enemy focus from the old games was a bad thing)
Azure King
Well-known Member
Shin Muramasa
Metallic Stranger
MultiBro
Darkest Dungeon
Thanks for giving me a rainbow nightmare.Like fighting a human slinky.
This is real, I kid you not.
Don't worry, I wasn't planning to sleep the whole week anyway......
Drake
Well-known Member
that actually is kinda funny, But seriously I don't get why some people have said that, this play nothing like the old DMCsThis looks like more DMC than the actual DmC we played
