Limbo and the real world

[MephistoCarnival]

I've been alone for most of my school years,I wasn't fitting in any group. I was a smart student,but the class I've been in was divided into: Smart people but arrogant and fake (which I wasn't) and those ones which possesed no form of intelligence.
I've been lied to,bullied, even though I was being myself and didn't say anything.It was me,my drawings and the music and nothing else.I was even crying from so much loneliness and I knew school wasn't that great in the matter of forming someone's personality.
For me it was and it is just a way of accomplishing the goal of getting a job,but school should also give tolerance,acceptance and make its pupils come with delight at school.


I also think exams don't always portray someone's true potential.
It's like having a bunch of animals,different ones,and tell them to climb a tree.Just a few can,but not everybody,due to their natural disability,if you know what I'm saying.

I hate stereotypes with a burning passion.Stereotypes,manipulation and just corruption.I'm a person with a high sense of justice and I always try to change people's minds in the right way...

Different is okay. If you're comfortable with yourself then don't listen to what society tries to change or push you their way.
"What is normal for the spider is chaos for the fly.” - What is normal to some people,others might find it weird,but that doesn't mean you have to isolate them or ignore them just because they might have a different view from you.
That's what I think.

 

[Loopy]

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And you are so right again... Those stereotypes are just cages that often block people from expressing themselves freely, and constrain them in roles that are not at all fitting for them.
And teeneagers, since adolescence is a delicate passage in one's life, are the most vulnerable. And sometimes, especially if they receive bad examples from their parents, teachers, educators and so on, they never learn to get rid of those prejudices and schemes of thinking, and end up as adults who are ruled by stereotypes too.
People tend to find scary what is different, and that's why they are so vulnerable to stereotypes. It takes a lot of intelligence/wisdom and espcially education to learn to respect those who are different, from the man of a different religion, to the classmate who likes videogames instead of football...

I think sometimes adults are just as vulnerable as teenagers in this modern society. It's like some adults are trapped in a longer adolescence.

My generation were told 'go to university and get a degree. If you don't, you will only work a McDonald's'. There was a lot of pressure to go to university from the government, teachers and family, even for people who were not good at tests.

So people go to university, thinking it will give them a better future, but they only get a lot of student debt; and then leave university with only a few jobs available because of the recession.

So people have to move back in with their parents because they can't afford to rent a flat, let alone get a mortgage for a house.
So living with parents again makes them like teenagers. I have friends like that, friends with good degrees who can't find jobs because the only good jobs available have a lot of people applying for them.They become depressed and feel worthless because what they were promised has not happened. They can't get a job after wasting thousands of their money, or loan money, with no way of paying it off.

It's like the government lied to these people and enslaved them with student debt.

For me it was and it is just a way of accomplishing the goal of getting a job,but school should also give tolerance,acceptance and make its pupils come with delight at school.
I never saw the point of school. I got on with a lot of people, hated bullies with a passion, but I was constantly bored and they had no idea what to do with me other than let me do my own thing when I had finished classwork quicker than the rest.
Once they worked out I was 'performing above average' as they put it; they tried to send me to a gifted and talented academy. I refused so many times because I knew they were doing it to make the school look good. They didn't care about me. They actually became angry when I kpet refusing.

School teaches nothing about the real world; how to apply for a job, how to behave in an interview. I was glad to be rid of school.
I also think exams don't always portray someone's true potential.
It's like having a bunch of animals,different ones,and tell them to climb a tree.Just a few can,but not everybody,due to their natural disability,if you know what I'm saying.

Tests are just about absorbing what they tell you and repeating it. It's not about intelligence. It's all about conforming to what they want you to be.
Sad to say, but some of the brightest people fail tests due to pressure from parents or school, resulting in test anxiety; or that those tests are unable to check for their kind of intelligence.

 

[MephistoCarnival]

Talking about stereotypes.

 

[Demi-fiend]

... just corruption. I'm a person with a high sense of justice...

I hope so. I also hope that you will be able to realize when and if you're wrong... or not entirely in the right.

Edit:

Talking about stereotypes.

I love YFM. I hated the fact that they had to shut down their band.

 

[Loopy]

I hope so. I also hope that you will be able to realize when and if you're wrong... or not entirely in the right. Everyone should know that.
But some people are so stuck on their own opinions that they are convinced that they are always right. Usually those people were spoiled as children, or just plain delusional.
Spoiling children makes them entitled as adults.

 

[MephistoCarnival]

I might have sound harsh.
I like to help people make the right decisions,not to force them into my own,I'm sorry if it sounds otherwise.

 

[Demi-fiend]

I might have sound harsh.
I like to help people make the right decisions,not to force them into my own,I'm sorry if it sounds otherwise.

I didn't mean to say that you sounded harsh. I just meant to say that you should be careful not to let your sense of justice get the better of you until you're absolutely sure that you have all the facts.

I have some moral issues of my own. But I don't think I would change them. I've done a lot of reading on my own issues, so I don't see a reason to change my mind on what I personally think is right.

But it's different for everyone. Just do what you want, as long as it's not hurting anyone else.

 

[EllDawn]

Sadly, many DMC fans, since majority of them are anti-DmC, have missed that part! And yes, I'm glad I got this game as a form of all my disdain on reality! DmC indeed has us facing against conformity!
EDIT: We are living in sad and dark times...

Unfortunately, with a lot of them, they think this game meant that the original Dante was over and didn't want to lose him. I don't really think that was going to happen. But yes, they missed some great things in this game because of not giving it a chance.

Yeah, with everything that's going on, I'd say these are dark times. Unfortunately I think it's going to get worse.

But you're forgetting about some things too.
Like teaching girls beauty isn't everything to see in a person, like in Beauty and the Beast,and that people who read books and are intelligent aren't always cherished and they're ignored if they don't seem to have the same opinion with the rest of population.
It's mostly based on love because the targeted audience are especially girls,even though there are movies which don't always respect this rule : like Mulan,which is about a girl who tries to destroy stereotypes that girls can't fight and they're reduced to only being pretty,and it's not really centered around love. Also,Little Mermaid was quite destroyed by Disney because the original story was far much sad and psychological,Hans Christian Andersen's version is an alter ego of the Little mermaid who wants to be like humans,in reality this was Andersen's story of how he succeeded in writing and being in a good social class,but with a price to pay.
Also,Atlantis: The lost Empire had a female character which I personally loved : Kida Nedakh,who was a female warrior who tries to rediscover Atlantis's past.She had a strong personality from my point of view.
So,these movies aren't always about love and girls being pretty,if you look much more deeper into them you can actually identify some real life issues.

Even though DmC has put the problem with the 'outsider' I feel it could have been done a little much better than this. For example,at first I didn't like Dante's personality,even though I knew why he behaved like this. I feel like you don't have to behave in a certain way just because you had a horrible past,or to be seen as 'cool' if you behave in a certain way. For example why should someone behave in a rude way just because their parents did the same to them?
I was happy at the end he became a more bearable character and he started to approach the old Dante more,but I admit at first I actually hated him.

The problem with Disney movies is that little girls are only going to see the surface because of how young they are. So the whole thing about love and beauty is what they're going to see first. Later on, if they're still interested, they will see more. Mulan was a good one because of her going against what was expected. I did love that movie as a kid. But then I must have been an odd kid because I also loved Beauty and the Beast more for the fact that Belle was stubborn and loved books, not because of the love story. She was a pretty good role model, in my opinion. I just tend to think that the originals still have a lot to teach since they were warnings. And they didn't always have a happy ending. That's another thing that is done too much. People expect a happy ending to everything, and that's just not how the world is.

About Dante, I actually liked him from the start. Then again I always did like the rebel. Even though he was rude, disrespectful, you could see that he still cared. No matter what he said. Since Tameem said that Dante was expecting to die any day, I can see why he'd be rude to everyone. He could have been keeping everyone at a distance so no one would be hurt when he died, or because he didn't think it was worth it. I'd say it was a mixture of both, but that's just me. I just hope they don't make him exactly like the original. It kind of looks like that's where it's leading, though.

If it's a spoon, it may take years to kill those demon scum, like 'The Horribly Slow Murderer with the Extremely Inefficient Weapon' film short. Now if it is a sharpened spoon, Gordon may scoop out the demons' insides and displays them and labels them 'unhealthy'. But not to worry; Dante is there to help him in his quest where people only eat the healthiest and the most natural of food selections.

They wouldn't make the best dessert, that's for sure. And I really shouldn't have mentioned spoons. In Silent Hill 4 one character was supposed to have killed himself with a spoon while in jail. He stabbed himself in the neck, severing the carotid artery. It's the spoon that makes it more comedic to me.

lol. That's kind of an ironic idea since Dante doesn't eat healthy food, I'm sure. I think he and Ramsay would get into a few fights.

 

[SugarMoon]

I love YFM. I hated the fact that they had to shut down their band.

Why?! I had no idea. Their music was awesome -_-

 

[EllDawn]

I've been alone for most of my school years,I wasn't fitting in any group. I was a smart student,but the class I've been in was divided into: Smart people but arrogant and fake (which I wasn't) and those ones which possesed no form of intelligence.
I've been lied to,bullied, even though I was being myself and didn't say anything.It was me,my drawings and the music and nothing else.I was even crying from so much loneliness and I knew school wasn't that great in the matter of forming someone's personality.
For me it was and it is just a way of accomplishing the goal of getting a job,but school should also give tolerance,acceptance and make its pupils come with delight at school.


I also think exams don't always portray someone's true potential.
It's like having a bunch of animals,different ones,and tell them to climb a tree.Just a few can,but not everybody,due to their natural disability,if you know what I'm saying.

I hate stereotypes with a burning passion.Stereotypes,manipulation and just corruption.I'm a person with a high sense of justice and I always try to change people's minds in the right way...

Different is okay. If you're comfortable with yourself then don't listen to what society tries to change or push you their way.
"What is normal for the spider is chaos for the fly.” - What is normal to some people,others might find it weird,but that doesn't mean you have to isolate them or ignore them just because they might have a different view from you.
That's what I think.

I was pretty much the same way in school. I didn't fit in, but also didn't really want to. I saw fitting in as losing who I was and becoming like the people I hated. School was something I just wanted out of. Books and music gave me that, at least.

The thing about school is that they're more there to teach certain lessons and make sure the students see it how they should. They make it more black and white than anything. In history, this side was the hero for fighting for this reason and this side was the villain for attacking for this reason. They don't give much room for interpretation. They either do that or give you dates and events to remember. They're not trying to teach tolerance and acceptance. In a way they aren't exactly teaching anything.

Like Loopy said, exams aren't about revealing someone's potential. They're more about seeing what the student remembers and can regurgitate on command.

I hate stereotypes, too. Though some can be pretty funny (I'm sure some of my peers thought I was a witch because of how I was). But what's right to you might not be right for someone else. That's the problem. Nothing is for everyone.

It's almost natural for people to isolate someone because they aren't like them. There's an experiment my brother has told me about where a group of college students were taken to an area and told that one half were the guards, the other half inmates. The inmates were told that they could leave at any time. The guards weren't told any rules, just what they were. The guards became abusive to the inmates, and the inmates took on the mentality that nothing could be done so they took the abuse. The experiment had to be stopped early because of how bad it was getting. People aren't going to instinctively try to be kind to each other. They divide and either try to coerce the other side into joining, or make them feel like they're less because of any difference. That's human nature.

I believe people should be accepted because of their differences, not rejected. About all you can do is be accepting and not try to influence someone unless you know that what they believe is going to hurt someone else.

 

[LysseC]

My experience in school was terrible because of my classmates more than because of my teachers, but I totally agree with all of you in your complaints about the schooling system.
Here, now a degree is something everyone has to get, because if you don't it's difficult to find a work... But that's not the only reason. A lot of people start university, but in reality they never study, and graduate late, if they graduate at all... For them, university is just a way to spend days in laziness without having to work, while their parents pay for them. And this is not only the youth's fault, but his/her parents' too, because they accept that their son/daughter spends his/her days doing nothing constructive. We say that they are "parked" in university.

And high schools are terrible, they never give students incentives to study, because teachers rarely show some love or passion for the subject they are teaching, and thus students take school as something without any value or importance.

And in general, there is little connection between the schooling system (especially high schools) and the work market, so students don't get to realize that the labour they are facing with their studies will be one day rewarded with learning important skills they will one day use when working...

...So, in the end, just to get a little back on topic... we can say school teachers (ora at least some of them) are demons/demon collaborators?

 

[Loopy]

My experience in school was terrible because of my classmates more than because of my teachers, but I totally agree with all of you in your complaints about the schooling system.
Here, now a degree is something everyone has to get, because if you don't it's difficult to find a work... But that's not the only reason. A lot of people start university, but in reality they never study, and graduate late, if they graduate at all... For them, university is just a way to spend days in laziness without having to work, while their parents pay for them. And this is not only the youth's fault, but his/her parents' too, because they accept that their son/daughter spends his/her days doing nothing constructive. We say that they are "parked" in university.
Got to agree about university. People who shouldn't go now go to do courses like 'sports massage therapy' which is not academic, not even a real degree. It's a time waster for people who have no ambition and want to get drunk with no work.
The most trouble I've had at university is when I stayed in a university flat the first year with sports students. It was like a nightmare. They got drunk all night, all week, very noisy, brought strange ladies back for sex and were generally rude.
I do not know why the year I joined that the university let sport students in, but it was a bad idea. They are the stupidest, most lazy and ignorant morons I have ever encountered. Even the lecturers were angry about letting sports studens in because they were afraid of disruptive behaviour for the academic students.

And high schools are terrible, they never give students incentives to study, because teachers rarely show some love or passion for the subject they are teaching, and thus students take school as something without any value or importance.
Teachers sart off with enthusiasm and good intentions. I was on good terms with a newly qualified teacher at my highschool. She was only 3 years older. But as the years got on, she bacame more weary of teaching, more dissilusioned because the students were rude and did not want to learn. So it goes both ways. You get good teachers and bad pupils/ bad teachers with good pupils.
Sadly the good teachers get worn out very quickly because of stress from badly behaved pupils or older teachers being rude.
And in general, there is little connection between the schooling system (especially high schools) and the work market, so students don't get to realize that the labour they are facing with their studies will be one day rewarded with learning important skills they will one day use when working...
True. It's more about getting test scores, teaching how to pass a test, not about how to write a job application or complete an interview. Even university graduates are clueless on this.
...So, in the end, just to get a little back on topic... we can say school teachers (ora at least some of them) are demons/demon collaborators?

Some of my highschool teachers seemed like that. I used to joke with one of my friends that the upper sixth form English literature teacher was a witch. She dressed in black all the time, glared at everyone and used to get angry very easily.
We also thought the headmaster was a demon...or a robot:lol: He was a bad example for pupils. He put on this image of being in charge, of being like a god in the school, but then he had an affair with one of the deputy head teachers He was a pervert too, looking at female pupils.
So the school board covered it up by rewarding him with an OBE, lots of money, and a job as a school inspector. He should have been just fired. But that guy had a lot of power....he was like a demon.>_<

 

[EllDawn]

...So, in the end, just to get a little back on topic... we can say school teachers (ora at least some of them) are demons/demon collaborators?

I'd say both. The collaborators would be the ones that didn't care about teaching in the first place, the demons would be the ones that turn their backs when a student is being attacked in some way.

Some cops can be considered demons or collaborators, too. They can be even worse than the people they're supposed to be arresting. Basically anyone in an authoritative position can get so corrupted by the power they're given that they become destructive rather than helpful.

 

[LysseC]

Some of my highschool teachers seemed like that. I used to joke with one of my friends that the upper sixth form English literature teacher was a witch. She dressed in black all the time, glared at everyone and used to get angry very easily.
We also thought the headmaster was a demon...or a robot:lol: He was a bad example for pupils. He put on this image of being in charge, of being like a god in the school, but then he had an affair with one of the deputy head teachers He was a pervert too, looking at female pupils.
So the school board covered it up by rewarding him with an OBE, lots of money, and a job as a school inspector. He should have been just fired. But that guy had a lot of power....he was like a demon.>_<

The year Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (the movie) came out, we got a new teacher who was exaclty like professor Umbridge... same physique, same voice, same attitude... Now, she was a demon for sure!

And you are right, it's not always a teacher's fault, many times it's the students who make it impossible for teachers to do their job well... And to think that nowadays many parents defend their children to the extreme, never accepting that their perfect children are not so perfect in reality... If something bad happens, they always accuse the teachers, and deny any responsibility from their children...>_< It's terrible, because those children grow up thinking they have the right to do whatever they want...

 

[MigsRZXAStylish]

Even though DmC has put the problem with the 'outsider' I feel it could have been done a little much better than this. For example,at first I didn't like Dante's personality,even though I knew why he behaved like this. I feel like you don't have to behave in a certain way just because you had a horrible past,or to be seen as 'cool' if you behave in a certain way. For example why should someone behave in a rude way just because their parents did the same to them?
I was happy at the end he became a more bearable character and he started to approach the old Dante more,but I admit at first I actually hated him.

I'm glad you got a look through his development as a character. Slowly but surely DmC Dante will be like good ol' DMC Dante!

 

[MigsRZXAStylish]

Unfortunately, with a lot of them, they think this game meant that the original Dante was over and didn't want to lose him. I don't really think that was going to happen. But yes, they missed some great things in this game because of not giving it a chance.
Well, one of my closest friends, who is not a DMC fan but sided with the anti-DmC fans because he claims to understand them, thinks this game felt like it was conformity. But how can that be when its message is about non-conformity? And I hardly doubt Capcom is done with the Original Dante (Why disregard someone so awesome and is one of the character archetypes of gaming anyway? DMC3 Dante is playable in U/MvC3 and in Project X Zone with DMC Anime Dante (DMC1 Dante but armed with Rebellion instead of Force Edge or Alastor) anyway...) Then again, they'll just milk him for money doing this...

Yeah, with everything that's going on, I'd say these are dark times. Unfortunately I think it's going to get worse.
I know, right? What's with today's generation these days?

The problem with Disney movies is that little girls are only going to see the surface because of how young they are. So the whole thing about love and beauty is what they're going to see first. Later on, if they're still interested, they will see more. Mulan was a good one because of her going against what was expected. I did love that movie as a kid. But then I must have been an odd kid because I also loved Beauty and the Beast more for the fact that Belle was stubborn and loved books, not because of the love story. She was a pretty good role model, in my opinion. I just tend to think that the originals still have a lot to teach since they were warnings. And they didn't always have a happy ending. That's another thing that is done too much. People expect a happy ending to everything, and that's just not how the world is.
You are so right. Glad Mulan broke the feminine stereotype and showed that even women can fight. And indeed not all endings have a happy ending... And that's life for all of us humans...

About Dante, I actually liked him from the start. Then again I always did like the rebel. Even though he was rude, disrespectful, you could see that he still cared. No matter what he said. Since Tameem said that Dante was expecting to die any day, I can see why he'd be rude to everyone. He could have been keeping everyone at a distance so no one would be hurt when he died, or because he didn't think it was worth it. I'd say it was a mixture of both, but that's just me. I just hope they don't make him exactly like the original. It kind of looks like that's where it's leading, though.
Well, the original turned from an archetype to an anime stereotype anyway... That's one of the cons of the Old Dante, sadly. We have to admit that even though he is iconic in looks, personality, his weapons and all, but not everything about him is all that great; he's not flawless. This is why DMC1 Dante is my most favorite Classic Dante incarnation because his personality was balanced, knowing when to be serious and when to crack a joke, also considered as the archetype Dante, Hideki Kamiya's Dante, and is quite original in my book. Capcom already turned him into an Inuyasha expy by DMC3 anyway (I knew both Dante have lots of similarities with Inuyasha! AlchemistFronEden made good points about this when he sensed similarities between those two; too bad he's no longer here...). And if I remember Kamiya's tweets regarding Dante's change, Dante has changed in the original four games since DMC2 anyway.

They wouldn't make the best dessert, that's for sure. And I really shouldn't have mentioned spoons. In Silent Hill 4 one character was supposed to have killed himself with a spoon while in jail. He stabbed himself in the neck, severing the carotid artery. It's the spoon that makes it more comedic to me.
LOL. That's so funny if the spoon was really a weapon for murder!

lol. That's kind of an ironic idea since Dante doesn't eat healthy food, I'm sure. I think he and Ramsay would get into a few fights.

It's only ironic when Dante found out the food he eats is jacked-up by demon scum, much like the Virility softdrink... He might've found that out after he and Gordon first fought one another. It may have given him a reason to eat a balanced meal. So he'll have to consider that all thanks to the demons.

P.S. I'm an anti-stereotype!

 

[TerrorA]

Some cops can be considered demons or collaborators, too. They can be even worse than the people they're supposed to be arresting. Basically anyone in an authoritative position can get so corrupted by the power they're given that they become destructive rather than helpful.

You do not want to bring up evil cops around me. I have stories. The kind only people from my hood can tell.

 

[EllDawn]

You do not want to bring up evil cops around me. I have stories. The kind only people from my hood can tell.

I'm going to try very hard not to ask, then.

 

[EllDawn]

It's only ironic when Dante found out the food he eats is jacked-up by demon scum, much like the Virility softdrink... He might've found that out after he and Gordon first fought one another. It may have given him a reason to eat a balanced meal. So he'll have to consider that all thanks to the demons.

P.S. I'm an anti-stereotype!

I don't understand how a person could think the new DmC is about conformity. Unless they're talking about the bad-boy image, it really doesn't make sense. Dante is fighting authority, not following. Even though it's been done a lot, it's still not telling people to conform.

Probably the only reason the original Dante would no longer be used is if he wasn't bringing in enough money. Then again I do remember someone saying that, with DmC crashing, there was a high chance that Capcom wouldn't continue either one. That still wouldn't stop them from bringing Dante into other games.

My only problem with DMC1 Dante was that some of his lines were really awkward. I'm sure they weren't easy for Drew Coombs. Other than that, I'd say he was better than the versions of him after that. I did like how DMC2 Dante felt more mysterious, though. They just should have continued keeping him different, rather than turning him into so much of a cliche.

lol. Unfortunately he didn't kill anyone with a spoon. It was the main villain, Walter, that was supposed to have killed himself with a spoon. I would have loved to see one of his victims killed that way, just as an embarrassment to his victim.

I don't think Dante could give up pizza. And he really doesn't strike me as a healthy eater. He might join Gordon's cause as a way to save people, but since it has no real effect on him I don't think he'd give up the food he liked.

That actually reminded me of something. Couldn't the fake meat they have in stores be considered as something made by demons? I know that with veggie burgers they taste fine after the first few bites and then you don't want to eat any more. Since it's items processed to taste like meat, you really don't know what else was put into it. And with all the people obsessed with being thin, telling them these meat imitations are going to be healthier and help them lose weight would bring more people under their control.

I swear I am never going to touch any food like that again. I can't even look at a water cooler without thinking of the virility factory.

I'm anti-stereotype, too. Labels just ruin everything, in my opinion.

 

[Loopy]

You do not want to bring up evil cops around me. I have stories. The kind only people from my hood can tell.

I've heard of cops planting drugs on people just so they can arrest them. Also cops using tasers on people just because they could. People like that just abuse their power.

That actually reminded me of something. Couldn't the fake meat they have in stores be considered as something made by demons? I know that with veggie burgers they taste fine after the first few bites and then you don't want to eat any more. Since it's items processed to taste like meat, you really don't know what else was put into it. And with all the people obsessed with being thin, telling them these meat imitations are going to be healthier and help them lose weight would bring more people under their control.

I'd say fake meat and real meat. With fake meat, people say some of it has cancer causing schemicals in, and with real meat, some of it has been found to contain growth hormones. So I don't trust either anymore.
The adverts say quorn mince is healthy, but they never say exactly what is in it.

As for being thin. If you're not like that naturally, don't bother. It saves a lot of upset and terrbile diets that do more harm to you. I have a friend who tried to eat nothing but cabbage water soup to become thin. She lasted a week, and all week she jus cried because she was so miserable doing the diet.