What if Ninja Theory doesn't improve?

[Razyel]

Yeah, but at the same time NT couldn't make a game like DmC. Without Capcom NT wouldn't have made DmC, they don't have the skills. Capcom was in charge of the gameplay and had to teach NT how to make a DMC game.

It's a symbiotic relationship neither could do it without the other, the picture explains everything

 

[berto]

We mean after DmC comes out and another DmC comes out.

I am aware of that. Even if it is a sequel, unless NT desides to to do the exact same thing again I don't think NT is up to it. Just because they learned a few tricks from Capcom doesn't mean that they'll be able to progress with it.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I am aware of that. Even if it is a sequel, unless NT desides to to do the exact same thing again I don't think NT is up to it. Just because they learned a few tricks from Capcom doesn't mean that they'll be able to progress with it.

Well I mean if it was Capcom alone with none of NT's writers and no Heavenly sword gameplay added, plus no Unreal Engine and just MT framework, a DmC 2 wouldn't be as smoothly detailed as DmC, and the story would be rather more anime styled (If Kobuyashi's still there) and really lacking.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

 

[berto]

Well I mean if it was Capcom alone with none of NT's writers and no Heavenly sword gameplay added, plus no Unreal Engine and just MT framework, a DmC 2 wouldn't be as smoothly detailed as DmC, and the story would be rather more anime styled (If Kobuyashi's still there) and really lacking.

NT's writers arent't the ones who wrote any of their games. They hired writers for HS and Enslaved. So for all their great story telling reputation they haven't actually writen any of their own games till now.

As for the Unreal Engine? You think that if Capcom didn't want to they couldn't have access to it? MTFramework is a great engine, even if Capcom hasn't been using it to it's full potential recently. Besides I've seen DmC in action, the graphics aren't so outstanding that they'd make or brake sales.

As for the story? i still don't think DmC is that great an improvement over the original franchise, they just went from what's tacky in the east to what's tacky in the west.

 

[Stylish Nero]

Well I mean if it was Capcom alone with none of NT's writers and no Heavenly sword gameplay added, plus no Unreal Engine and just MT framework, a DmC 2 wouldn't be as smoothly detailed as DmC, and the story would be rather more anime styled (If Kobuyashi's still there) and really lacking.

I think Eshiro should stay as the producer for the DMC series he did want the western aesthetic and prospect of DMC back. Yeah with games produced by Kobayashi such as the Sengoku Basara series it wasn't Capcom that turned DMC into that anime-con infested campy guy jumping around the place like a headless chicken it was Kobayashi and that manga wariter who too was hired by Kobayashi but I guess Capcom is to be blamed for allowing that to happen but look on the bright side.....it seems Capcom allows for their workers to have total freedom when messing up their games.....or is that too harsh. Itsuno don't blame him he never cared about story or characters (play Dragon's Dogma ans you'll see Itsuno doesn't give a sh*t if the story is sh*t or simple as long as the gameplay is fun and great he did his job) he is there for gameplay Capcom just made him director because they felt his team could make a great stylish action game rather than the team that makes Resident Evil & Demento games.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

NT's writers arent't the ones who wrote any of their games. They hired writers for HS and Enslaved. So for all their great story telling reputation they haven't actually writen any of their own games till now.

Then who's writing the story for DmC?

As for the Unreal Engine? You think that if Capcom didn't want to they couldn't have access to it? MTFramework is a great engine, even if Capcom hasn't been using it to it's full potential recently. Besides I've seen DmC in action, the graphics aren't so outstanding that they'd make or brake sales.

They could use UE, but because fans will constantly complain about UE3 not being "fast enough" for DMC, I doubt they would. I'd say the graphics, true, aren't ground breaking, but I gotta say, they do look better then DMC4's graphics, but that's only cause DMC4 was back in 2007. Even so, the graphics and detail in DmC is pretty deep.

As for the story? i still don't think DmC is that great an improvement over the original franchise, they just went from what's tacky in the east to what's tacky in the west.

More Inception meets KillBill meets Sucker Punch meets IRobot meets Hancock.

 

[Razyel]

How would you know if the story is just "tacky in the west" considering the fact that you don't like RE6 you are giving too much credit to Capcom.
I've never thought that Caps is the pinnacle of gaming, they used to be in the 90's but times change and they've been playing it safe, almost too safe, just like Activision and EA they have great franchises but they are in a status quo no new IPs just sequels.

BTW everybody hires writers, Amy Hennig has written all 3 Uncharted games and Legacy of Kain series. It's like hiring animators or motion-capture actors like Andy Serkis.
What's the problem?

 

[berto]

Then who's writing the story for DmC?

NT themselves. I guess it could be Tameen and/or others involved in production.

How would you know if the story is just "tacky in the west" considering the fact that you don't like RE6 you are giving too much credit to Capcom.

What? What does my opinion on RE6 have to do with how tacky DmC is or could be?

I've never thought that Caps is the pinnacle of gaming, they used to be in the 90's but times change and they've been playing it safe, almost too safe, just like Activision and EA they have great franchises but they are in a status quo no new IPs just sequels.

Indi gaming, mate, that's where it's at.

BTW everybody hires writers, Amy Hennig has written all 3 Uncharted games and Legacy of Kain series. It's like hiring animators or motion-capture actors like Andy Serkis.
What's the problem?

The 'problem' is a bit up for debate. NT got DMC because they are supposed to be such great writers, but if they aren't hireing said great writers then the ones writing are them, of whom we've never really their writing.

Is this a good thing? A bad thing? We'll see.

 

[Razyel]

Nevermind, just saying that Caps hasn't been at their best in a long time, I'm starting to think that the success of DMC3 was just a lucky shot :/

 

[Paexie]

Nevermind, just saying that Caps hasn't been at their best in a long time, I'm starting to think that the success of DMC3 was just a lucky shot :/

I feel that way, too. All the talent there was slip out of their hands. They should really check their management.

 

[Devil Player]

Yeah, I used to like Capcom a lot.

They had gold times, but after 2003, things started going downhill.

4 mediocres games in 2003. Devil May Cry 2 was mediocre at best, PN-03 didn't sell and didn't impress, Chaos Legion was reasonable but repetitive, Megaman X7 killed the X franchise.

Devil May Cry 3 was the only good game after such mediocre wave of previous games. Final Fight Streetwise was bad, as some other games were. Resident Evil 5 wasn't bad in my view. Resident Evil 6 is horrible, though. However, it's just my view.

I think NT may inject something needed for Devil May Cry universe.

 

[Razyel]

I think their biggest problem right now is milking their franchises dry, how many times can you upgrade Street Fighter IV, Street Fighter x Tekken is out and now Marvel vs Capcom: Origins, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom was already a huge mistake, mistake that I bought :blush:

All in all I am a Tekken man through and through so I guess my opinion here is pretty biased but basically MvsC is SF spin-off and then we have SFxTekken, now when do we see Ultimate SFxTekken?

So what I'm trying to say is that hopefully they learn to take their time, so that Street Fighter won't end up like Tony Hawk and/or Guitar Hero...

 

[V's patron]

With DmC, Tameem is writing it on his own while Alex Garland of 28 days later and Judge dredd did most of the work on enslaved.

 

[ZeroLove]

I'm not worried. Ninja Theory seems to be very passionate about what they do, so I don't need to worry about them becoming better, as I am pretty sure they will. As long they got the fire burning, they will evolve.

That's the problem with Capcom. They lost their fire and got more focused on money-making which is why their recent games have been mediocre. They stopped caring. Though with Street Fighter 4 (which was a huge success and one of the better SF games of recent times), Resident Evil 6 (which I have only heard good things about from people who have actually played it) and this DmC co-project with NT, they might have gotten some of the spark back and are at least trying to make good games.

 

[Tiran]

With DmC, Tameem is writing it on his own while Alex Garland of 28 days later and Judge dredd did most of the work on enslaved.

Actually, according to Alex Garland, the story for Enslaved was already mostly written by NT when he was brought aboard for story re-writes and consultation. He's also a story consultant to Tameem on this game as well according to Tam.

 

[Paexie]

Actually, according to Alex Garland, the story for Enslaved was already mostly written by NT when he was brought aboard for story re-writes and consultation. He's also a story consultant to Tameem on this game as well according to Tam.

I was about to say this. According to the developer diaries that's pretty much what he was doing; a writing coach of sorts. It was pretty cool I have to admit.

 

[Razyel]

I'm not worried. Ninja Theory seems to be very passionate about what they do, so I don't need to worry about them becoming better, as I am pretty sure they will. As long they got the fire burning, they will evolve.

That's the problem with Capcom. They lost their fire and got more focused on money-making which is why their recent games have been mediocre. They stopped caring. Though with Street Fighter 4 (which was a huge success and one of the better SF games of recent times), Resident Evil 6 (which I have only heard good things about from people who have actually played it) and this DmC co-project with NT, they might have gotten some of the spark back and are at least trying to make good games.

SF4 might have been a great game, but there's way too many versions of the game in the market, these things could have been free dlc or patches or normal dlc, same thing with Marvel vs Capcom 3, they are just trolling the **** out off their fans:/

 

[ZeroLove]

SF4 might have been a great game, but there's way too many versions of the game in the market, these things could have been free dlc or patches or normal dlc, same thing with Marvel vs Capcom 3, they are just trolling the **** out off their fans:/

Agreed, though Super Street Fighter 4 is my favourite of the bunch, I wish it was like that from the first SF4 release instead of an updated version.