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Well, since Trolls are trying so hard...

First the "troll-chan" lies, then the Gamefaq lies, the "sexist" thread, the "against religion" thread. Now what's next, another foolish website trying to make up another lie about Vergil making up with Dante(like a Naruto moment) after they're done fighting?

I have to say this game has been through a lot of chaos.

I know...it's one troll thread after another. What's next, DmC is a fashion crime?:P

Or DmC is for liberals because the game has a parody of Raptor (Fox) news.

Maybe even that DmC supports communism and hates capitalism because Dante takes down Mundus who is head of the banks.
 
First the "troll-chan" lies, then the Gamefaq lies, the "sexist" thread, the "against religion" thread. Now what's next, another foolish website trying to make up another lie about Vergil making up with Dante(like a Naruto moment) after they're done fighting?

I have to say this game has been through a lot of chaos.
they seriously did that? XD
 
You bring up some good points - some actually worth-while criticism. Those anti-religion and misogynistic topics were total troll, and even if they weren't they were those extremist views no one takes very seriously :p

Basically, the one of the issues that I've had with DmC was its representation of punk culture. It wasn't too bad considering that the ideologies are there and NT did a good job putting them in a positive light. However, Dante's character and his design don't exactly match up with the culture he was meant to represent. For example, him wearing skinny jeans which are more associated with pop and hip- hop. Also, the fact that he listens to his brother in order to accomplish things rather than thinking of things and doing them himself might go against the DIY mentality punks tend to have.

One thing about punk culture though is that you didn't necessarily have to dress a certain way. It's not a club with a uniform, y'know? And back in the 70s and early 80s where punk really formed, there wasn't a lot of baggy pants anyway :p Then there's also the fact that since the game is still set in a more contemporary time, baggy pants are worn by a lot of other, less interesting groups >.<

Dante following Vergil I think is less a part of his punk-themed side, and more about Dante not rightly knowing what's going on, and feeling he can find himself trusting Vergil, and Kat too, I suppose. Dante did display that DIY mentality in the beginning, as well, when Kat is trying to help him. It's still a story about Dante's growth out of hedonism and selfish behavior, after all n.n

Other than that, there is also the game's music choice. Combichrist was a great choice but why Noisia? Dubstep/DnB aren't punk at all. I could understand it during some parts, such as Devil's Dalliance or when Limbo goes crazy, but boss battles like Mundus or Bob Barbas could have a little more substance if an anti- establishment song was put in the background.

I'm sort of with you there. I liked both groups providing music, but again is the punk movement all about a specific musical genre. I suppose it sorta is, since punk music was all about "stickin' it to the man" and whatnot, but it doesn't seem like it's entirely necessary for Dante to live, breathe, and exude every facet of punk - the use of punk elements was more so about the rebellion, not exactly the archetypal "complete punk."

And does Noisia even count as dubstep? Music is dubstep when it uses that specific tempo...a 3/4s time, I think. That "bum-tssh, bum-bum, bum-tssh." I think people just hear that wub-wub and immediately assume it's dubstep, but any music can have wub-wub and not be dubstep, just the same that there is a lot of dubstep that exists without neither wub-wub nor that stereotypical drop, or at least the drops aren't solely comprised of dial-up modems having sex, and other loud noises :p

Lastly is the lack of variety or originality when it comes to who exactly the foe is in society. Punk culture doesn't just worry about financial big wigs but also corrupt politicans. Even more so, it also worrys about discrimination against race, sex, and gender. Placing these kind of things within in the context of the game could also give certain scenes more substance.

I figure this to be something that would have been expanded on and included if NT and Capcom had all the time and money in the world to do so. They make mention of how pervasive demons are in the human hierarchy, from politicians to pop culture. When you operate on a specific budget and under a deadline, there's only so much you can get to. I would have loved to see Dante take on more bigoted politicians, unjust representatives, and pop stars, but I guess the main idea in The Order's plan was to not bother with those smallfry and aim straight for the strongest pillars supporting Mundus.
 
You bring up some good points - some actually worth-while criticism.

Thanks!

One thing about punk culture though is that you didn't necessarily have to dress a certain way.

I see. Though I just find skinny jeans an odd choice but you guys are right.

Dante following Vergil I think is less a part of his punk-themed side, and more about Dante not rightly knowing what's going on, and feeling he can find himself trusting Vergil, and Kat too, I suppose. Dante did display that DIY mentality in the beginning, as well, when Kat is trying to help him. It's still a story about Dante's growth out of hedonism and selfish behavior, after all n.n

Again, I see your point.

it doesn't seem like it's entirely necessary for Dante to live, breathe, and exude every facet of punk - the use of punk elements was more so about the rebellion, not exactly the archetypal "complete punk."

Hm... Never saw it that way.

And does Noisia even count as dubstep?

Well, not really, but I've heard a few of their songs and they have dabbled into dubstep. As to what exactly counts as dubstep is a question I generally avoid since most people often times think of it as "wubs" and others delve into the more technical parts of the genre which is hard to define considering that dubstep artists tend to not follow much of a rubric. I've listened to quite a good number of dubstep and I have yet to see a particular pattern beyond the glitches, distortions, and steady drum rythms. I mean, if you listen to Agnus Dei by Eskmo then Illusion of Choice by Gramatik, you can see why I believe that Dubstep is highly undefined genre.

Oh, by the way, awesome description with "dial- up modem sex" line.

I figure this to be something that would have been expanded on and included if NT and Capcom had all the time and money in the world to do so. They make mention of how pervasive demons are in the human hierarchy, from politicians to pop culture. When you operate on a specific budget and under a deadline, there's only so much you can get to. I would have loved to see Dante take on more bigoted politicians, unjust representatives, and pop stars, but I guess the main idea in The Order's plan was to not bother with those smallfry and aim straight for the strongest pillars supporting Mundus.

Then I guess I shouldn't complain since they could have done it given the resources. Hmm... Still can't help but get mad when I think of moments when issues like the ones I mentioned could've seriously expanded upon. Oh well, I'll just take Sparda and Eva's interracial relationship.

Anyways, thank you all for pointing where I've been wrong or just missed something. Now who wants to be the douchebag that says that DmC is too liberal?
 
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