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Vergil is a Shinobi Master

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Azurel

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Manipulation. Information. Gaining control of almost any given situation.

This was the goal of the Ninja. To gain the upper hand and survive by almost any means necessary. While success of the mission was paramount, self-preservation was also very important. Because even if it meant failure, escape could mean another chance to try again.

Vergil is very much a ninja in this regard. Vergil may be able to work from the shadows, but fighting anyone upfront is not an option for him because he cannot risk exposing himself. Therefore, he asks Dante to help him in this regard.

Eventually, Vergil fights out in the open, without his mask, but in the beginning he wasn't able to, due the risks involved.

True, perhaps Vergil was more worried about himself than anyone else. But while he may or may not genuinely care for humanity, concern for them is also evident in his actions because he won't be able to fight the demons anymore if anything happens to him.

Whatever his reasons for saving humanity may be, at least he's on the side of good for the time being.

As for demons being related to the ninja, the second video at 1:15 should show that there was a shrine built in Tokyo (there are several, but you know what I'm getting at) to serve as protection against the demons.

Vergil being raised in this type of environment (wealthy, learning Iai-jutsu and Ju-jutsu (the ninja/samurai martial art) in Japan, living amongst demons) may have corrupted Vergil's natural judgement.

In the end, all we can do it wait and see what his real motives are.



 
The Ninja were samurai as well. However, they were also considered to be the best and most highly trained samurai. For every 4000 samurai, there were only 20 ninja to lead the troops on covert ops. They were the commando recon units of their day.

Yes. Being a ninja was that difficult. Very few people even back then could be one.

What Stylish Nero was referring to was the war between Iga and Nobunaga. The first time Nobunaga tried to invade, he failed. But then he enlisted the help of the Koka ninja, and the Koka showed Nobunaga secret pathways into the Iga province. That was the only reason Nobunaga even won in the first place.








 
Vergil is a ninja, maybe?

But regardless, Half Demon Ninja mastermind or not, Batman would still whoop his ass,

BECAUSE
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I was under the impression that ninja were essentially feudal Japan's 'secret agents', and as such there is very little evidence that they were trained warriors at all. My understanding was that they worked covertly, not as members of an official militia (some call these people 'terrorists'). Of course, if it's true that Nobunaga had secret information, it doesn't exactly prove that the ninja needed to be more proficient warriors than a generic samurai. If you're clever you'll avoid hand-to-hand combat.

I certainly invite any more information on the subject, especially if my definition of ninja is more general than some other common meaning.
 
Azurel said:
The Ninja were samurai as well. However, they were also considered to be the best and most highly trained samurai. For every 4000 samurai, there were only 20 ninja to lead the troops on covert ops. They were the commando recon units of their day.

Yes. Being a ninja was that difficult. Very few people even back then could be one.

What Stylish Nero was referring to was the war between Iga and Nobunaga. The first time Nobunaga tried to invade, he failed. But then he enlisted the help of the Koka ninja, and the Koka showed Nobunaga secret pathways into the Iga province. That was the only reason Nobunaga even won in the first place.










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Wait what? Ninja = Samurai ? Impossibru, Ninjas were never as good fighters as the samurai, samurai lifestyle was about mastering ones body and soul and serving their feudal lords, Ninjas didn't train for their whole life trying to master the katana.

Ninjas on the other hand could have been anything from Assassins to common thiefs, their fighting style is based on deception and surprise attacks, which is something a warrior as noble as samurai would never do.
The samurai had a code of honor, for example if they did something shameful they would cut their own arm off, or in the more severe cases kill themselves by stabbing AKA Harakiri/Seppuku.

In 1-on-1 Samurai would always win, except if a Ninja could use all the dirty tricks like smoke bombs and poison darts...

edit: the video is old but good...

 
It is impossible to say with exactly what skills real life ninja had because they were ninja and ninja don't tell people who they are or what they can do because the entire point of being a ninja is to deceive everyone every time. 90% of what people believe about ninja is probably lies.

On topic: i suppose if DMC Vergil can be considered a samurai than DmC Vergil is something like a ninja.
 
darkslayer13 said:
It is impossible to say with exactly what skills real life ninja had because they were ninja and ninja don't tell people who they are or what they can do because the entire point of being a ninja is to deceive everyone every time. 90% of what people believe about ninja is probably lies.

On topic: i suppose if DMC Vergil can be considered a samurai than DmC Vergil is something like a ninja.
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WHAATT!? You mean NINJAS DON'T FLAUNT NUNCHUCKS AND TALK OUT OF SYNC WITH THEIR LIPS!?
 
mrrandomlulz said:
WHAATT!? You mean NINJAS DON'T FLAUNT NUNCHUCKS AND TALK OUT OF SYNC WITH THEIR LIPS!?
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What! it can't be true! It must be a genjutsu!!!

Everyone should read the manga "keiji" it's darn funny. It's one of my favorite mangas involving ninjas, loosly based on a real person. (so loose that it would fall off though)
 
I would say classic Vergil is a ronin since he doesn't serve any master but himself.

Reboot Vergil seems more like a ninja since most of his tactics seemed to be subterfuge.
 
Azurel said:
Well, don't take my word for it. Look up 'Historical Ninjutsu' and see for yourself.
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Look up every other document about the samurai, sorry Azurel but you have watched a lot of BS if you think that ninjas are higly ranked samurais, their lifestyles were almost the opposites of each other.

The thing is that there isn't much evidence about the ninjas, but there is a helluva lot about the samurai. Ninjas tried to cover all information whilst the samurai passed the knowledge onto the next generations.

Samurai = high class warrior --> lives and dies by the code of honor
Ninja = assassin/hired hit --> uses unfair tactics & tricks

The only samurai that could have been ninja were the outlaw samurai, but declining the code of honor meant that you were no longer a samurai.

Too much samurai champloo and rurouni kenshin can ruin the image...:/
 
Enough with this debate, we are running circles and this is about Vergil not history :) AAAAND I think Vergil is a master of...PUPPETS! I mean seriously he plays people just like marionettes :D
 
I kinda' miss fighting Marionettes- especially flaming lizard marionettes. Strange how that's totally off-topic.

I think it's clear that Vergil is entirely capable of using his skills to concoct terrifying schemes. Just makes you wonder if he'll be a peacemaker in the end or if he'll get caught up with the power of being a leader.
 
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