The Physics of Limbo

[EllDawn]

can't be any worse than what i've seen already

You never know. There is a theory that we make our own hells. A nightmare could probably escalate to that.

That's actually pretty close to how Limbo works normally (at least in terms of how we get there).

Although, talking about this kind of stuff has got me wondering if Dante has a soul in Limbo like everyone else...

He might, though people do tend to believe that angels and demons don't have souls. I'd say he does, but because of his connection to limbo he can travel into it freely. It's pretty much a part of him. His angel half might be what keeps him from moving between worlds at will.

 

[Jak]

You never know. There is a theory that we make our own hells. A nightmare could probably escalate to that.

looks like i'd have to buck up and get over it. my fears. my way of overcoming them

 

[Railazel]

He might, though people do tend to believe that angels and demons don't have souls. I'd say he does, but because of his connection to limbo he can travel into it freely. It's pretty much a part of him. His angel half might be what keeps him from moving between worlds at will.

Actually, the reason why doesn't do it at will is because he doesn't have a good understanding of his powers. If I recall, Vergil could move freely.

looks like i'd have to buck up and get over it. my fears. my way of overcoming them

The best way to live a happy, peaceful life is a life through virtue, patience, and content... or so I've heard.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Don't ruin the fun.

Seriously though, you can check Mission 4 when Limbo attempts to drop the floor under Dante. There's what looks like a bottomless pit of... "sky" beneath them. Then there's Devil's Dalliance which was also an endless pit (however demons dude die and turn into red orbs when push them off a ledge... weird). You could argue that there's an end and that we can't see it. That's perfectly possible.

I chalk this up to the fact that there's a whole lot of ground we're actually standing under, and if we were to dig down to the center, we'd have ourselves a nice, seemingly-bottomless landscape. Or also just being the dev's way of not having to put a black pit in the ground for people to point the camera at.

Except that's not always the case like when Dante used Limbo as a shortcut to get to Poison.

What shortcut...? Dante had to go through the entire factory just to get back to the mixing room, which led down to Poison's chamber >.>

Or I can say that physics in Limbo works differently than our's. Heck, I didn't even deny the existence of gravity, I said it worked differently.

But there's no evidence it works any differently than it does in the real world. You keep trying to say that because things can float in Limbo that it must work differently but I'm telling you that's because something else is holding that sh!t up.

So, is the Lost City in Dante's mind?

*shrug* His consciousness is probably being sent elsewhere in Limbo, to a place where demons aren't pervasive, hence why it might be a bit of a sanctuary. Or what Dante goes to could all be something in his head, I dunno, but apparently the place is an actual location in Limbo somewhere.

Also, one instance is enough to say that Time can be manipulated in Limbo.

Aw c'mon, man, you blab out this much scientific mumbo-jumbo and you don't subscribe to the very logical conclusion that you need a pattern, not a single point? It's enough to say that Time may be manipulated, at best.

Unstable means that the system is... wacky. It's when the system is highly sensitive to various degrees of changes (the proper term would be chaotic but I think unstable works). Considering that Limbo went from red sky and fog to blue sky and... dust... I can definitely say that nothing really makes sense in Limbo. There's a methodical madness in it- we can see the madness and all I'm doing is making a suggestion for the method.

Suggestions are fine and dandy, but you've been talking like your trying to pull out solid facts out of all it, that's what's been getting me :/

Okay, great. Choose what you want.

I'll stick with the one that's more obvious from playing the game

So... what? Stop?

Seriously, dude, just shut up, go grab a cookie, sit down at the computer, think about the implications of these ideas being right, then take a bite out of that cookie, nod your head, say "hmmm...", think about it some more, then chew on the cookie again. Why? Because that's what this thread is for.

Sorry, you're just trying to apply a bunch of theoretical sciences to an imaginary place, and this all came from you refusing to believe that gravity works like normal in Limbo, which in turn fuels your argument that Dante performing feats of strength in Limbo were nothing special.

It's fine just for funzies, but you're still ignoring some aspects of Limbo that just really are there, and when you try to apply those theories toward things for comparison it just gets way too iffy for my liking :/

 

[Railazel]

I chalk this up to the fact that there's a whole lot of ground we're actually standing under, and if we were to dig down to the center, we'd have ourselves a nice, seemingly-bottomless landscape. Or also just being the dev's way of not having to put a black pit in the ground for people to point the camera at.

But that's boring. I'm a semi-nerd goshdangit! I need something more interesting than that! Otherwise... I'll complain.

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What shortcut...? Dante had to go through the entire factory just to get back to the mixing room, which led down to Poison's chamber >.>

When Kat says that you couldn't get to Succubus through the factory. If Limbo is a reflection of our world then that would be a shortcut or a hidden passageway.

But there's no evidence it works any differently than it does in the real world. You keep trying to say that because things can float in Limbo that it must work differently but I'm telling you that's because something else is holding that sh!t up.

Pay attention! I'm not talking about stuff floating. I'm saying gravity in Limbo works differently because there's no central mass for the objects to fall towards.

*shrug* His consciousness is probably being sent elsewhere in Limbo, to a place where demons aren't pervasive, hence why it might be a bit of a sanctuary. Or what Dante goes to could all be something in his head, I dunno, but apparently the place is an actual location in Limbo somewhere.

Pocket dimension works for me.

Aw c'mon, man, you blab out this much scientific mumbo-jumbo and you don't subscribe to the very logical conclusion that you need a pattern, not a single point? It's enough to say that Time may be manipulated, at best.

May be? Mundus got ****ed, sent a shockwave that caused massive property damage to the city then, two seconds after the initial blast, another shockwave causes Vergil and Kat to move in slow motion.

I'm pretty sure Mundus was the one that caused that. Therefore, I'm going to go on the implication that Time can be manipulated.

Suggestions are fine and dandy, but you've been talking like your trying to pull out solid facts out of all it, that's what's been getting me :/

Everything I say is fact.

I'll stick with the one that's more obvious from playing the game

Then you're just being a bore. Come on, have a little fun! We have cookies!

Sorry, you're just trying to apply a bunch of theoretical sciences to an imaginary place, and this all came from you refusing to believe that gravity works like normal in Limbo, which in turn fuels your argument that Dante performing feats of strength in Limbo were nothing special.

It's fine just for funzies, but you're still ignoring some aspects of Limbo that just really are there, and when you try to apply those theories toward things for comparison it just gets way too iffy for my liking :/

Actually, I've been wondering how Limbo works for a long while now. This is the first time I've ever made an attempt to make a system for it (beyond the obvious magic... psychic... spiritual... mess that it already is).

And to point my theorizing is that it's iffy. I'm not trying to make anything certain.

As for Dante's feats of strength, I will definitely tell you that he is as weak as his previous incarnation (I will have to explain in some other topic).

 

[BLACKSWIPE]

You people and your science, but I want to join in as well.

I've always had a theory that Limbo is a second universe that overlaps our own and exists within a different dimension. It's so connected to our own that whatever we build or do within our own universe effects the overall outcome and landscape of the other universe. The same could be said for Limbo (Example: when the Hunter messed up the Ferris wheel), whatever happens there the same happens within our world.

Limbo and our universe could have originally existed together as one giant universe, but eventually the split but still retained similar properties that the other one possessed. I could imagine that only a godlike being could have caused the two universe to split. Maybe the DmC Version of "God" split the two apart so that the humans could live in peace, without the tampering of the demons. Though the effort was obviously in vain. Or perhaps Mundus split the two so that the demon could have a safe stronghold to return to.

 

[Railazel]

You people and your science, but I want to join in as well.

I've always had a theory that Limbo is a second universe that overlaps our own and exists within a different dimension. It's so connected to our own that whatever we build or do within our own universe effects the overall outcome and landscape of the other universe. The same could be said for Limbo (Example: when the Hunter messed up the Ferris wheel), whatever happens there the same happens within our world.

Limbo and our universe could have originally existed together as one giant universe, but eventually the split but still retained similar properties that the other one possessed. I could imagine that only a godlike being could have caused the two universe to split. Maybe the DmC Version of "God" split the two apart so that the humans could live in peace, without the tampering of the demons. Though the effort was obviously in vain. Or perhaps Mundus split the two so that the demon could have a safe stronghold to return to.

That's a pretty good theory. I like it.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

But that's boring. I'm a semi-nerd goshdangit! I need something more interesting than that! Otherwise... I'll complain.

"Semi-nerd" gave me the image of Optimus Prime where raped up glasses...because...y'know...he's a semi truck >_<

When Kat says that you couldn't get to Succubus through the factory. If Limbo is a reflection of our world then that would be a shortcut or a hidden passageway.

Oh yeah, that. Well we've already seen how walls and buildings can be moved around. That's pretty much it. In the real world mixing room, there was no passage, but in Limbo, there was.

Pay attention! I'm not talking about stuff floating. I'm saying gravity in Limbo works differently because there's no central mass for the objects to fall towards.

But it's a blanket dimension. It's sitting on top of our world, that'd be why all the world sciences still work.

May be? Mundus got ****ed, sent a shockwave that caused massive property damage to the city then, two seconds after the initial blast, another shockwave causes Vergil and Kat to move in slow motion.

I'm pretty sure Mundus was the one that caused that. Therefore, I'm going to go on the implication that Time can be manipulated.

Still an isolated incident. It's never happened at any other point, so it might only be possible when a demon king wills it, or when a massive amount magic is tossed around.

Everything I say is fact.

Don't go all IncarnatedDemon on me :/

And to point my theorizing is that it's iffy. I'm not trying to make anything certain.

Not trying to make anything certain, and yet claiming stuff as fact >.>

As for Dante's feats of strength, I will definitely tell you that he is as weak as his previous incarnation (I will have to explain in some other topic).

Some people seem to keep saying that DmC Dante was created to be equal with his classic counterpart. It sounds familiar, but...I dunno.[/quote]

 

[TWOxACROSS]

And hey, what was that mirage in Mission 1 you were talking about? For the life of me I don't know what mirage there was :/

 

[EllDawn]

Actually, the reason why doesn't do it at will is because he doesn't have a good understanding of his powers. If I recall, Vergil could move freely.



The best way to live a happy, peaceful life is a life through virtue, patience, and content... or so I've heard.

Vergil didn't really seem like he could, either. He had the spell, taught it to Kat, but there wasn't really anything to indicate that he could travel through like the demons.

looks like i'd have to buck up and get over it. my fears. my way of overcoming them

Going with what Railazel said, you could be happy through contentment and whatever else he said. Or become who you want to be, don't be too critical of yourself because you're never going to reach perfect standards and let go of all the crap you see in the world. If you just want to face your fears, start small. Give yourself time to adjust. Either way your life is what you make it. The only way others have power over it is if you let them. I had to learn that for myself and am still working on it.

 

[Railazel]

"Semi-nerd" gave me the image of Optimus Prime where raped up glasses...because...y'know...he's a semi truck >_<

I am so tempted to look for a picture.

Oh yeah, that. Well we've already seen how walls and buildings can be moved around. That's pretty much it. In the real world mixing room, there was no passage, but in Limbo, there was.

Kind of brings to question exactly why Malice would just leave the passage open when it knew Dante was coming for Poison...

But it's a blanket dimension. It's sitting on top of our world, that'd be why all the world sciences still work.

Except during the times where a disembodied voice would just screw things up right?

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Still an isolated incident. It's never happened at any other point, so it might only be possible when a demon king wills it, or when a massive amount magic is tossed around.

That still means that Time can be manipulated.

Let me put it this way. When a kid does a kamehameha, that doesn't mean that every single kid can do a Kamehameha, but it does mean that it is possible to do it under the right conditions.

Don't go all IncarnatedDemon on me :/

But it's true...

Not trying to make anything certain, and yet claiming stuff as fact >.>

Well, I can't help it.

Some people seem to keep saying that DmC Dante was created to be equal with his classic counterpart. It sounds familiar, but...I dunno

It's kind of hard to tell actually.

And hey, what was that mirage in Mission 1 you were talking about? For the life of me I don't know what mirage there was :/

That weird distortion thing that blurs parts of the scene from time to time.

Vergil didn't really seem like he could, either. He had the spell, taught it to Kat, but there wasn't really anything to indicate that he could travel through like the demons.

True, true, but you would think that if he had the spell he would use it.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Kind of brings to question exactly why Malice would just leave the passage open when it knew Dante was coming for Poison...

Well, Malice is also responsible for what seals off doorways and creates the goons we fight, so my guess would be the more sentient portions of Limbo are subdued, giving Dante a chance to progress. NT often talked about Limbo and the demons we fight in it being like a body that spawns cells to kill intruders (Dante), so in a way, the intruder overwhelms those cells, and an infection can spread.

Dante is a disease spreading through Limbo, and Malice can only do so much to stop him.

But then remember that the shortcut has a bunch of...uh...vein-like tubes connected to Poison running through it to send her slurm to the rest of the factory. Can't really cut off that route without also cutting off the entire system from their secret ingredient.

Otherwise there's probably the less fun answer of "gameplay mechanics."

Except during the times where a disembodied voice would just screw things up right?

Well, that's Malice. It's this psychokinetic force in Limbo that acts as something that almost overrides physics at times (like gravity). It's not all that fun to say, but when Limbo does something physics can't explain, it's really just Malice that's behind it.

That still means that Time can be manipulated.

Let me put it this way. When a kid does a kamehameha, that doesn't mean that every single kid can do a Kamehameha, but it does mean that it is possible to do it under the right conditions.

Sure, but it doesn't look like anyone else is gonna be able to pull it off. I'd almost say it was a fluke

That weird distortion thing that blurs parts of the scene from time to time.

I think you might have to find a point in a gameplay vid where it happens, because you're losin' me >_<


Also - maybe it'd do you good to stop thinking like a physicist, and start thinking like a Ghostbuster :3

 

[EllDawn]

True, true, but you would think that if he had the spell he would use it.

He did when they left Kat behind. He probably still has to follow the same rules as Kat where it can only be used where there's a rift.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

When they escaped from The Order, Vergil might have had to use the glyph Kat had set up because he needed to get out with Dante. However, Vergil seems to be able to either create his own rifts with Yamato, or just create portals in general that let him move into Limbo and around the world.

 

[EllDawn]

When they escaped from The Order, Vergil might have had to use the glyph Kat had set up because he needed to get out with Dante. However, Vergil seems to be able to either create his own rifts with Yamato, or just create portals in general that let him move into Limbo and around the world.

I thought the portals were more for traveling around the world, not from one world into another. It's hard to tell since they really didn't show much of what he could do.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Could totally be for both, I suppose. We know there's glyphs that let them go back and forth from Limbo for sure, at least. Only one has been used to send them to a different location, albeit not that far from their start position.

 

[EllDawn]

Could totally be for both, I suppose. We know there's glyphs that let them go back and forth from Limbo for sure, at least. Only one has been used to send them to a different location, albeit not that far from their start position.

Yeah. It which case that means Vergil can't travel between worlds without a glyph or his sword.

 

[Winterfrost]

Okay, in seriousness.

This is how it works.
(and I'm sorry if I stole any ideas, because I didn't read most of the theories as my thinker box hurts)

You know how there seems to be a bottomless hole when the ground gets uprooted? like in Under Watch, you just fall?
From the Silver Sacks, in Limbo, you see the beam shooting up at the sky. The beam is actually coming from that bottomless pit, going up through the sacks, and out into the sky.
Which makes sense, the beam is shooting up at the sky creating a shield all around the world in the sky.
The Shield is there to keep the Angels out and away.
So, in order
Heaven
Earth (Limbo)
And the bottomless pit which is Hell.
That's why the silver sacks is shooting up at the sky, Limbo seems like it's floating, and you seem to fall forever.
The reason the ground is uprooting most of the time isn't because they want to kill Dante, they want to make him fall into Hell, and trap him there where he can't escape.
As for physics on how it works? Crap I don't know, Bob the builder maybe.

 

[Jak]

Okay, in seriousness.

This is how it works.
(and I'm sorry if I stole any ideas, because I didn't read most of the theories as my thinker box hurts)

You know how there seems to be a bottomless hole when the ground gets uprooted? like in Under Watch, you just fall?
From the Silver Sacks, in Limbo, you see the beam shooting up at the sky. The beam is actually coming from that bottomless pit, going up through the sacks, and out into the sky.
Which makes sense, the beam is shooting up at the sky creating a shield all around the world in the sky.
The Shield is there to keep the Angels out and away.
So, in order
Heaven
Earth (Limbo)
And the bottomless pit which is Hell.
That's why the silver sacks is shooting up at the sky, Limbo seems like it's floating, and you seem to fall forever.
The reason the ground is uprooting most of the time isn't because they want to kill Dante, they want to make him fall into Hell, and trap him there where he can't escape.
As for physics on how it works? Crap I don't know, Bob the builder maybe.

trying to trap dante were his father is. like divine comedy states that limbo is the most dangerous because you could easily slip and fall into hell