So I got around to playing DmC

[Jak]

uh...

...yes...?

 

[Demi-fiend]

No, I'm just saying that that was... very... descriptive.

Accurate, but a tad too graphic, ya know? :lock:

Dear God, it's like I see it in my head right now.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I'm curious on the plot holes you briefly mentioned :x

Also - welcome back, even though I don't think we've ever met :tongue:

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I'm curious on the plot holes you briefly mentioned :x

Also - welcome back, even though I don't think we've ever met :tongue:

I'm pretty sure if we get a DmC2, that will all be explained.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I'm pretty sure if we get a DmC2, that will all be explained.

Well, I'm just curious to what she thinks might be plot holes. So there might not be anything to explain in a sequel.

I don't mean to sound condescending, it's just I've heard a lot of people cry foul on plot holes in a lot of stuff, and it turns out they just missed something >.< Or worse...just weren't paying attention.

 

[Meg]

Well, I'm just curious to what she thinks might be plot holes. So there might not be anything to explain in a sequel.

I don't mean to sound condescending, it's just I've heard a lot of people cry foul on plot holes in a lot of stuff, and it turns out they just missed something >.< Or worse...just weren't paying attention.

I'm glad you asked. :smile:

I'm sure I missed important tidbits. I don't remember all the plot holes, or just things that didn't make sense, that I noticed. But here's some of them.

Why was Vergil's hair always white? Why did Dante's hair turn white after he tried to kill Vergil?

When Vergil and Kat were driving away after Vergil shot What's-Her-Face, how come time slowed down?

How come Mundus never found out about Vergil? He has cameras everywhere. If white hair is supposed to signify demonic/nephilim (sp?) power, then how come Mundus never suspected the guy with white hair walking around? He even wandered around with Dante in broad daylight.

If Munuds can't be killed so long as he is always by the hell gate, does he literally never leave that tower? Like ever? I find it hard to believe that he was always in there. Speaking of the hell gate, was there a way to cover that thing up? If he never leaves then he must have people meet him there. Have none of them wondered what that swirling red vortex of doom is?

How come only one hunter demon can find Dante? :bored:

And, of course, the biggest question of them all: why didn't Dante think to put pants on before opening the door to his trailer? :wink:

 

[Loopy]

Why was Vergil's hair always white? Why did Dante's hair turn white after he tried to kill Vergil?

I guess it could be something to do with Vergil having a different kind of power to Dante...those force sword things.

As for Dante and his hair going white. It had started to have white patches as he came to terms with what he was and unlocked his powers. Then it goes full white when Dante lets his demon side take over and stabs Vergil.

When Vergil and Kat were driving away after Vergil shot What's-Her-Face, how come time slowed down?

Some say it was Dante seeing as his devil trigger slows down time, others say it was all that power Mundus unlashed messing with Limbo. I'm not sure either way.

How come Mundus never found out about Vergil? He has cameras everywhere. If white hair is supposed to signify demonic/nephilim (sp?) power, then how come Mundus never suspected the guy with white hair walking around? He even wandered around with Dante in broad daylight.

Mundus was stupid?:tongue: I wonder that too. But it seems like he only knew about Dante, and Vergil did spend a lot of time keeping himself hidden, and his hat hides his hair. The most Mundus knew about Vergil was that he was working with Dante. So he had seen Vergil with Dante, but didn't know they were related and couldn't see Vergils' hair because of the hat. That's the only explanation I can think of.

If Munuds can't be killed so long as he is always by the hell gate, does he literally never leave that tower? Like ever? I find it hard to believe that he was always in there. Speaking of the hell gate, was there a way to cover that thing up? If he never leaves then he must have people meet him there. Have none of them wondered what that swirling red vortex of doom is?

I was thinking that too. He's like a demon Rapunzel.:laugh: But it does look like he leaves his tower if those pictures in his office are any indication. He did appear to attend events with important people, and he left the tower to attack Dante's childhood home.

As for people seeing the hell gate...maybe it is covered up by Limbo, but the gamer sees what it really is. Or maybe Mundus never lets any humans into his office...who knows...

How come only one hunter demon can find Dante? :bored:

From what Lilith was saying, there are definitely more hunter demons...I guess they're just lazy or incompetent.:tongue:
Maybe Dante moves around a lot? He does mention always being found by demons and taken to Limbo from an early age. So I guess they do find him, but he gets away and they find him all over again.

And, of course, the biggest question of them all: why didn't Dante think to put pants on before opening the door to his trailer? :wink:

We all know answering a door drunk and naked is the polite thing to do. Stay classy, Dante. Stay classy. :tongue:

But seriously, probably too drunk to notice.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Why was Vergil's hair always white? Why did Dante's hair turn white after he tried to kill Vergil?

Vergil's hair is white because he blossomed into his Nephilim genes earlier then Dante. Dante's hair because white because he forced his Nephilim genes out due to his rage for Vergil and losing control. If Dante had fully lost control, he would've ended up like Vergil at the end of VD.

When Vergil and Kat were driving away after Vergil shot What's-Her-Face, how come time slowed down?

Either Limbo was going in and out of whack or Dante had temporary control over Limbo.

How come Mundus never found out about Vergil? He has cameras everywhere. If white hair is supposed to signify demonic/nephilim (sp?) power, then how come Mundus never suspected the guy with white hair walking around? He even wandered around with Dante in broad daylight.

Vergil wore a hat and when he was out, he didn't stay out for long. During the trade, Mundus could only see from a far distance and couldn't make out the people. He only knew that the trade was of Lilith and Kat and the two walking across was them only. He couldn't see who shot exactly, but he just had a feeling it was Dante.

If Munuds can't be killed so long as he is always by the hell gate, does he literally never leave that tower? Like ever? I find it hard to believe that he was always in there. Speaking of the hell gate, was there a way to cover that thing up? If he never leaves then he must have people meet him there. Have none of them wondered what that swirling red vortex of doom is?

Don't know about the meetings. For all we know he might do meetings via the computer or laptop or even by phone. As for him never leaving, he's a demon god. He can survive for decades. It's not very surprising that he would stay there all the time.

How come only one hunter demon can find Dante? :bored:

Because in the comic prequels, Dante was in a demon prison before the beginning of the game. He escaped and Mundus sent hunters after him. It's assumed Dante killed five of them before going into hiding. But he went out to party and bang to strippers and left a trail for the demons to track him right back to his trailer, thus the last hunter demon being that hunter.

And, of course, the biggest question of them all: why didn't Dante think to put pants on before opening the door to his trailer? :wink:

Hangover?

That or he's a nudist.

 

[Meg]

As for Dante and his hair going white. It had started to have white patches as he came to terms with what he was and unlocked his powers. Then it goes full white when Dante lets his demon side take over and stabs Vergil.

Ooooooh, yeah that makes perfect sense.

Some say it was Dante seeing as his devil trigger slows down time, others say it was all that power Mundus unlashed messing with Limbo. I'm not sure either way.

Both of those options could make sense.

Mundus was stupid?:tongue: I wonder that too. But it seems like he only knew about Dante, and Vergil did spend a lot of time keeping himself hidden, and his hat hides his hair. The most Mundus knew about Vergil was that he was working with Dante. So he had seen Vergil with Dante, but didn't know they were related and couldn't see Vergils' hair because of the hat. That's the only explanation I can think of.

You can clearly see his white hair despite the hat. And when he's wearing the mask on TV, he turns his head at one point. You can see his white hair. Surely Mundus or Bob or someone would of picked up on this.

I was thinking that too. He's like a demon Rapunzel.:laugh: But it does look like he leaves his tower if those pictures in his office are any indication. He did appear to attend events with important people, and he left the tower to attack Dante's childhood home.

THAT'S RIGHT! I forgot about that.

As for people seeing the hell gate...maybe it is covered up by Limbo, but the gamer sees what it really is. Or maybe Mundus never lets any humans into his office...who knows...

Curtains. He must have giant curtains. :laugh:

From what Lilith was saying, there are definitely more hunter demons...I guess they're just lazy or incompetent.:tongue:
Maybe Dante moves around a lot? He does mention always being found by demons and taken to Limbo from an early age. So I guess they do find him, but he gets away and they find him all over again.

That is very true. I guess it's implied that Dante has fought Hunter demons before. But then why did Kat have to tell him how to fight Hunter demons.....? It really did seem like that was his first time.

Vergil's hair is white because he blossomed into his Nephilim genes earlier then Dante. Dante's hair because white because he forced his Nephilim genes out due to his rage for Vergil and losing control. If Dante had fully lost control, he would've ended up like Vergil at the end of VD.

But even as really young kids? It just seems weird that Vergil would embrace his powers as a child, but not Dante.


Because in the comic prequels, Dante was in a demon prison before the beginning of the game. He escaped and Mundus sent hunters after him. It's assumed Dante killed five of them before going into hiding. But he went out to party and bang to strippers and left a trail for the demons to track him right back to his trailer, thus the last hunter demon being that hunter.[/quote]

But then how did he fight them before Kat helped him? If he fought them before then he'd know that his bullets wouldn't work. Why shoot at the demon anyway?

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Why was Vergil's hair always white? Why did Dante's hair turn white after he tried to kill Vergil?

I think that's mostly just to show that Vergil embraced his magical traits earlier on, and had an aptitude for that kind of stuff.

When Vergil and Kat were driving away after Vergil shot What's-Her-Face, how come time slowed down?

That's been a giant mystery - one of the prevailing theories is that it was such a gigantic influx of inaccurate Malice that Mundus shot out that Dante was experiencing some half-in/half-out phenomena that was slowing time for him whenever he was in Limbo (where demons sprouted up to attack him).

How come Mundus never found out about Vergil? He has cameras everywhere. If white hair is supposed to signify demonic/nephilim (sp?) power, then how come Mundus never suspected the guy with white hair walking around? He even wandered around with Dante in broad daylight.

Well, having white hair doesn't necessarily mean you're a nephilim (yes, you're spellin' it right :tongue. I can dye my hair white but that doesn't make me an old fart.

Vergil wears a hat much of the time, too, and it's reasonable to assume that a careful man like Vergil wouldn't be seen out with Dante in any way that would incriminate him (eg places where there are cameras and such). He probably takes a lot of precautions when moving about. considering he's leading a rebellion against a demon king who wants him dead.

If Munuds can't be killed so long as he is always by the hell gate, does he literally never leave that tower? Like ever? I find it hard to believe that he was always in there. Speaking of the hell gate, was there a way to cover that thing up? If he never leaves then he must have people meet him there. Have none of them wondered what that swirling red vortex of doom is?

Nah, he's been seen hanging around other people in various countries and such, but the Hell Gate is linked to him, and he's immortal because he hides his soul back in Hell, and feeds his power to the vessel Kyle Rider through it.

The process of souls and vessels is that demons hide their essence (form and soul) in human bodies, which allows them to live like normal humans in the humanworld. If their human body is killed, they die, too (eg Lilith and Barbas). Mundus via the Hell Gate uses his vessel to interact with and experience the human world, but because he keeps his soul beyond the Hell Gate, he can't truly die like his vessel would.

Think of Mundus and Kyle Rider like...Avatar; the fallible part of him lies elsewhere.

I wanna say there was a curtain in there somewhere, too. Otherwise he employs a lot of demons and demonic sympathizers who know of it anyway.

How come only one hunter demon can find Dante? :bored:

Kat most likely warded him once he was in her custody. Plus, we don't know how many hunters there are anymore. Dante killed one, and Vergil in the comic killed like two or three >.<

They also may have called off the Hunters when they found out Dante could kill them, and instead started focusing on surveillance to find him.

And, of course, the biggest question of them all: why didn't Dante think to put pants on before opening the door to his trailer? :wink:

Who doesn't wanna see what Dante's packing?

I wouldn't necessarily call 'em plot holes, just things that ask you to think a bit more logically about the situation.

I remember a discussion with someone about how it was massive, gaping plothole for Dante and Vergil to discuss their lineage in a park, out in public, but they refused to believe in basic things like how there was no one around, no cameras, and that they would have taken a few precautions beforehand.

I know as a writer we're not supposed to just think our audience will assume what we do, but honestly, to disregard some logic to support criticism is nothing short of ignorance

 

[TWOxACROSS]

And yes, Mundus did not know about Vergil until after he interrogated Kat.

 

[Loopy]

You can clearly see his white hair despite the hat. And when he's wearing the mask on TV, he turns his head at one point. You can see his white hair. Surely Mundus or Bob or someone would of picked up on this.

I'm just going to go with my 'Mundus is stupid' idea then:tongue: Or maybe white hair isn't a sign of being nephilim at all? That demon looking like Asiel had dark hair...maybe the real one did too? So it could be feasible that Mundus et all thought Vergil just bleached his hair...but that doesn't explain how he knew of Dante's existence almost right away but not Vergil's...
Also, the only time Vergil was seen by one of those demon collaborators, he made sure to kill it quickly. So maybe he's just good at keeping himself hidden? I mean, he did spend the entire game hiding away and persuading Dante to do all the dangerous work for him because Dante's face and identity was already known.

That is very true. I guess it's implied that Dante has fought Hunter demons before. But then why did Kat have to tell him how to fight Hunter demons.....? It really did seem like that was his first time.

He was hung over....very hung over.:tongue: I guess it was a way to make Kat look useful, or maybe there are different types of hunter demon and he just hadn't encountered that one before.

 

[Meg]

I wouldn't necessarily call 'em plot holes, just things that ask you to think a bit more logically about the situation.

I remember a discussion with someone about how it was massive, gaping plothole for Dante and Vergil to discuss their lineage in a park, out in public, but they refused to believe in basic things like how there was no one around, no cameras, and that they would have taken a few precautions beforehand.

I know as a writer we're not supposed to just think our audience will assume what we do, but honestly, to disregard some logic to support criticism is nothing short of ignorance

Are you calling me illogical? :tongue:

Like I said, I wasn't just listing plot holes, but also things that I missed or didn't understand.

 

[Meg]

Are you calling me illogical? :tongue:

Like I said, I wasn't just listing plot holes, but also things that I missed or didn't understand.

He was hung over....very hung over.:tongue: I guess it was a way to make Kat look useful, or maybe there are different types of hunter demon and he just hadn't encountered that one before.

Okay, yeah, I can believe that. I really wanted there to be more hunter demons of different types. It would have added more boss fights to the game.

I'm just going to go with my 'Mundus is stupid' idea then:tongue:

THAT'S IT! :laugh:

EDIT: I don't know what the heck is happening with this post, but I think I fixed it.

EDIT: Nope. Made it worse. :banghead:

 

[Loopy]

Like I said, I wasn't just listing plot holes, but also things that I missed or didn't understand.

Something I don't understand is how Lilith didn't get her human body ripped open considering how big that mutant baby is. It was clearly able to stretch her out when it got all angry at the start of the club level.
Is it something to do with quantum superpositioning states of matter? That's the only thing I can think of to explain that one.

 

[Meg]

Something I don't understand is how Lilith didn't get her human body ripped open considering how big that mutant baby is. It was clearly able to stretch her out when it got all angry at the start of the club level.
Is it something to do with quantum superpositioning states of matter? That's the only thing I can think of to explain that one.

Can we really call what Lilith was a human body? :laugh:

 

[DragonMaster2010]

But then how did he fight them before Kat helped him? If he fought them before then he'd know that his bullets wouldn't work. Why shoot at the demon anyway?

Who said every hunter demon had the same qualities?

 

[Loopy]

Can we really call what Lilith was a human body? :laugh:

Plastic and silicone enhanced Barbie doll wannabe nightmare fuel maybe? :tongue:

Actually, I would have liked to see what her real demon form was. The concept art showed a few ideas...mostly similar to her human form with added tentacles and even more nudity....on second thoughts, no, no I wouldn't want to see her demon form. :vomit:

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Something I don't understand is how Lilith didn't get her human body ripped open considering how big that mutant baby is. It was clearly able to stretch her out when it got all angry at the start of the club level.

Given Lilith's concept artwork, she's as human as could be construed, but she really does some to be a giant sack of skin. Looking at her back, she has a plug and a bunch of cords that pull her skin tight. When Killing Face appeared, you notice that essentially the spawn and Lilith are inhabiting the same body, so while Killing Face was lumbering around, he's doing so in all the excess skin that Lilith's cords were holding back.

Really goddamn gross, but...there's your answer :tongue:

 

[Loopy]

Given Lilith's concept artwork, she's as human as could be construed, but she really does some to be a giant sack of skin. Looking at her back, she has a plug and a bunch of cords that pull her skin tight. When Killing Face appeared, you notice that essentially the spawn and Lilith are inhabiting the same body, so while Killing Face was lumbering around, he's doing so in all the excess skin that Lilith's cords were holding back.

Really goddamn gross, but...there's your answer :tongue:

That makes sense. So it basically stole her skin....that is gross. :vomit: Also makes me wonder how much excess skin she's got if that giant baby is anything to go by. Does make me wonder why her character model is stretched and bleeding at her back if she's got extra skin. I guess it was done to add to the grossness.