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Reason for weak Vergil in DmC (No hate)

It is his DT and you clearly see it in the final fight... What happens to Dante exactly happens to him just that he has DT.

I think the DT it means to be is the full one as for example DMC3. Sooner or later both will get access to it... Vergil maybe even in Vergil's Downfall already and Dante was hinted at the end of the game.

But so far the DT of both are the ones we have seen aka Quicksliver and Doppelganger
 
My opinion about DmC Vergil

He wasn't weak, he was forcing himself to be weak just for the sake of his plans, he was using Dante and Kat as you have seen in the final battle he is the final boss and his battle style is very experienced for someone who is said to be ''weak''

He even has his own DT activated and as we can clearly see from the DLC trailer that his powers and skills have increased much more

He is sharp, canny and strong, he can't be underestimated
 
Yeah, DmC Vergil is indeed weak and that made me disappointed. Especially at mission 12 where a butcher is attacking him and i'm hoping he would slice the hell up the demon but he didn't. He just stand there and wait for his little brother. Oh wait.

Of course, there is Vergil's Downfall that might redeemed him. Also, i'm not buying the theory where Dante have a stronger blood than Vergil. In the old games, Dante became stronger because of his emotions and his acceptance to his human side. I know this is a reboot but still.......
 
Azure King said:
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I agree and disagree.

In that reality, Vergil is considered strong. But in terms of gameplay, he just wasn't aggressive enough. He should have had faster recovery times, more battle damage, and more unpredictable evasive maneuvers.

In other words, give us Dante Will Die mode, already.
 
In this game Vergil is obviously more of a brainy character, not to say DMC3 Vergil was an idiot but NT play up Vergil's strategic and mental abilities more than his physical strength. He is still very short sighted and arrogant and that plays into his own weakness. He has also never fought someone with equal or more power than himself like Dante. I think that He and Dante start of at the same level of power but Dante's compassion and desire to do the right thing and protect people gives him a more tenacious edge over Vergil's own selfishness. Hopefully through his dlc missions he gets to become a stronger, great threat and more of a force to be reckoned with. Given that he is actually very intelligent, he has the potential to be even more dangerous and powerful than Mundas.
 
Ether0 said:
Given that he is actually very intelligent, he has the potential to be even more dangerous and powerful than Mundas.
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How awesome would that be to have him as a super-aggressive halfway boss in the sequel.

But this time, he defeats Dante. Then you play as Vergil, on your way to world domination. After that... you finally fight Dante. And then lose. I think it would make two great twists in the game.

And I really want to be able to fight against Dante in Vergil's Downfall. It could be an uber-hard, nightmare version of him -- created by Vergil's own psyche.
 
Downfall said:
How awesome would that be to have him as a super-aggressive halfway boss in the sequel.

But this time, he defeats Dante. Then you play as Vergil, on your way to world domination. After that... you finally fight Dante. And then lose. I think it would make two great twists in the game.

And I really want to be able to fight against Dante in Vergil's Downfall. It could be an uber-hard, nightmare version of him -- created by Vergil's own psyche.
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That would indeed be awesome. I would love to have a Vergil game, he is just a more interesting character than Dante. I doubt it will ever happen so this dlc is the next best thing
 
Both Vergils, DMC and DmC, are portrayed as calm, cool, and collected. Their fighting styles, attitude, and gestures reflect that. But DMC Vergil was more like a samurai, he waits for you to screw up and he'll kill you without hesitation. DmC Vergil was more like a tactician, he was more passive and defensive compared to his passively aggressive counterpart. And putting DmC Vergil's backstory into perspective, he was more experienced with combat and his powers than DmC Dante, like DMC Vergil, but he was less experienced than DMC Vergil and DMC Dante. DmC Vergil waits too long and acts less impulsively than DmC Dante.

On to DmC Dante, he is more impulsive, aggressive, and more willing to let his emotions take a hold of him compared to both DmC Vergil and DMC Vergil, maybe even more than DMC Dante when he was young. DmC Dante would attack relentlessly even when it was entirely unnecessary; stabbing and almost killing his own brother instead of disarming and stopping him.

Into their powers and what blood that had more of. DmC Dante seems more like demon in form, but angel in heart. It always looks like he in tune with his demonic heritage than Vergil. But his thinking, his feelings, and actions suggests that he has a more angelic heart. He's more willingly to compromise, be understanding, and view others equally because of his experiences. His Devil Trigger also looks more wicked than Vergil's; eyes changed, vein-like cracks on his skin. Its description states that it creates chaos; it's uncontrolled like he is.

Vergil is more like an angel in form, but demon in heart. He shows control over his powers; his DT has him creating a doppelganger of his own power and appears to think almost independently. Apperance-wise, he looks clean, almost pure and angelic when using his DT; light blue coat, clean face, almost a heavenly aura around him. But his black and blue streaks and doppelganger suggests otherwise.

Demons aren't always bad y'know. It's just that's the common belief. In Japan I believe, warriors are often called demons or oni because of their combat prowess and ferocity in combat. For their lords and land, that is a blessing. For their enemies, that is a nightmare. The equivalent of angels are devas in some religions. They're not the saviors most believe to be; they're just superhuman beings. Asura from Asura's Wrath is a deva I think, he's not a bad guy, nor is he truly a good guy; more like an anti-hero or neutral person with strong morals.

In DmC's universe for me, demons and angels are essentially the same thing; superhuman beings. Appearance-wise they may be different, they may have different powers, but they are still superhuman beings. Demons appear to be more like twisted Spartans, beings with a stronger focus on conquering, war, violence, and control, also they're more impulsive. Angels are more like Athenians, less inclined for war, more about diplomacy, and more thoughtful. Demons appear to be more reliant on brute force and instinct than angels who seem to be more reliant on technique, planning, and otherworldly power (magic?).

Dante fights with more of a demonic nature than Vergil, but backs up his thinking with an angelic nature. Vergil tries to fight more with a demonic nature instead of his angelic nature and thinks with a demonic nature. He's not going to be able to overpower Dante like that. And with his abuse of demonic power, Vergil's delving deeper into trouble than he should have. And Vergil's Downfall will probably show us that, Vergil trying to tap into more demonic power and being corrupted that way.
 
Downfall said:
Damn. That... was a really good post. I can't think of anything else to say, because it just literally made me see things in a new perspective. Well done. ^_^

Edit: The comparisons between the two brothers needed further explanation, and your post gave us just that.
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Eh, I have a habit of (over)analyzing things and trying to see things differently. Sometimes it clarifies things, others it's like mind . . . blown.
 
Some people here are talking about Vergil being portrayed as weaker in the story, others are talking about him as a boss being weaker.

As a boss he is probably weaker by accident, all the bosses are ridiculously easy, and except for the level that they clearly added in for bad players to achieve the no damage achievement are the easiest levels.
 
Yeah, DmC Vergil is indeed weak and that made me disappointed. Especially at mission 12 where a butcher is attacking him and i'm hoping he would slice the hell up the demon but he didn't. He just stand there and wait for his little brother. Oh wait.
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I think the main reason for that was because he didnt want to reveal his abilities to the enemy yet. Im not sure but since limbo does seem to be alive to a degree it would be risky if he just killed a relatively powerful demon(at least one a normal person couldnt kill) with the chance that Mundus finding out about him.
 
Shin Muramasa said:
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My reply's going to be short again, so unfortunately, I snipped your post for the second (and last) time.

I loved the part about Feudal Japan. I just wanted to throw that in there before I forgot. And the comparisons between the four groups of Angels, Demons, Spartans, and Athenians.

I fully agree that Dante is more Demonic in outer nature, but deep down has an Angelic heart that allows him to have an uncorrupted moral compass.

Vergil, like you said, is crisp, clean, and professional in nature (as demonstrated by his Iaido style and Summoned Swords). However, underneath that veneer of Anglicism, lies a corrupt Demonic heart, willing to compromise his morals in order to complete his goals.

Like I said before, it's like Unbreakable. It's got a good guy who's not completely good (David Dunn) and a bad guy who's not completely evil (Elijah Price).


For another example, here's what Joker would look like if he were good (his name in this reality is, coincidentally, Jester -- awesome). Jester was actually the mind behind the resistance. It shows how the Joker could have used his evil genius for good.


Here's Batman vs. Owlman, for further analysis:



The same can be said for humans themselves, can it not? The more willing you are to get your hands dirty and do manual labor yourself, the more likely you are to be humble and good-natured.

However, the more willing you are to tell others to do the work for you, while working in an office, away from the sweat, grit, and grime, the more likely you are to be corrupt and and willing to look down and betray your subordinates while you get a bonus just for running your company into the ground (obvious 2008 economic crisis and recent THQ Dissolution reference).

''No. Never 'good'. I am only human, after all.''

-Owlman-

''We both looked into the abyss. However, the difference between me and you is, you blinked.''

-Batman-



Yeah, I'm bitter. So what?

-Downfall-
 
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