new dante's durability

[Jak]

notice how in the classic seemed to get impaled by a large sharp object every 5 seconds? in DmC we saw vergil get stabbed and he walked away from the battle clinging to life. new dante did get thrown out of a building though. i'm just wondering if new dante is as difficult to kill as old dante

 

[Bazilican]

probably the same.

Old Dante isn't immortal. he's just very hard to kill. Plus I think the reason this is brought up is because DMC is all about showing off things like Dante getting impaled and when that happens every five seconds, it starts to get old and you don't really fear that the main character could die, thus the player not really feeling the emotion of "Oh sh*t, what if he actually dies?!"

With new Dante, we've never seen him impaled and haven't seen him get life threatening injuries as much because he's suppose to be more human in terms of duality and as such we worry if he could possibly die, thus giving more tension to the player.

 

[ToCool74]

From what I have seen the old Dante has him beat in durability.

But then again we saw old Dante take hits out of carelessness of I guess knowing it will not kill him while the new one doesn't seem to share this trait.

 

[EvilX-81]

Old Dante's got the clear edge in durability, but I like what we've seen of their durability in the new one. While regular demons or weapons probably can't kill him, I would think if anything should be able to kill Dante or Vergil, it would be damage inflicted by eachother, or sufficiently powerful opposition.

Thing is though, when Dante stabbed Vergil, it looked like he was going to be fine. But then later in VD, he's on death's door. Did Dante's nephilim power infect his wound or something?

 

[Jak]

Thing is though, when Dante stabbed Vergil, it looked like he was going to be fine. But then later in VD, he's on death's door. Did Dante's nephilim power infect his wound or something?

i think so. maybe since dante and vergil are on the same power level, their powers are the only thing that can really cause damage in a one on one fight

 

[Kam]

notice how in the classic seemed to get impaled by a large sharp object every 5 seconds? in DmC we saw vergil get stabbed and he walked away from the battle clinging to life. new dante did get thrown out of a building though. i'm just wondering if new dante is as difficult to kill as old dante

in the DMC universe it's not the stabbing object that damages you, but the amount of demonic or magical energy behind it. DMC3 dante ate like 7 scythe blades to the face and shrugged it off (because those demons were very weak and their blows had next to no demonic power behind them) but a single stab from yamato (a much smaller point) nearly killed him.

Also old dante has royalguard

 

[Alittleacorn]

notice how in the classic seemed to get impaled by a large sharp object every 5 seconds? in DmC we saw vergil get stabbed and he walked away from the battle clinging to life. new dante did get thrown out of a building though. i'm just wondering if new dante is as difficult to kill as old dante

Not sure, I think New Dante and Vergil react more to the pain, but are probably the same.

And you forgot one, Dante gets shot a number of times in the back during The Trade and doesn't get fazed by it, like how Dante in DMC3 didn't react to Lady's gun shooting him in the stomach. So maybe.

Maybe durability like Sherry, but a little tougher?

 

[LysseC]

I think we should also consider the fact that DmC tries to be more realistic, and maybe that's why we don't see Dante getting great wounds like those he gets in DMC: maybe that's why in DmC Dante has littler durability.
Another thing to consider: when Mundus tries to kill Dante on the rooftop at the beginning of Mission 19, Dante seems to be suffering a lot, but as soon as Mundus leaves him be, he recovers almost immeditely... Do you think this wound can be similar to the ones DMC Dante receives?

 

[TerrorA]

I think we should also consider the fact that DmC tries to be more realistic, and maybe that's why we don't see Dante getting great wounds like those he gets in DMC: maybe that's why in DmC Dante has littler durability.
Another thing to consider: when Mundus tries to kill Dante on the rooftop at the beginning of Mission 19, Dante seems to be suffering a lot, but as soon as Mundus leaves him be, he recovers almost immeditely... Do you think this wound can be similar to the ones DMC Dante receives?

Yeah, a demon king trying to rip your heart out with his bare hands would hurt immensely. The fact that Dante heals nearly instantaneously from it is pretty impressive.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

NTDante in beginning of DmC seem to have pretty weak regeneration. He had sex with two strippers and hours later (assuming he came home with girls at 3 am ) when he woke up we see scratches on his back.
Who made those scratches? Strippers? A demon somehow?
Assuming it was the strippers ok?
Why did him sleeping for hours (at least 3 hours) not regenerate the wounds? It was shallow wounds not big ones.
And then when he wakes up he heals himself (not regeneration) with a angelic ability.

At end of DmC Mundus made a big wound in his chest, and he regenerates fast. This is when NTDante achieved Devil trigger so you can assume that Devil trigger boosted his regeneration alot.

In DMC 3, Dante who were around same age as NTDante (18- early 20s)
, in beginning Dante took critical wounds from fodder demons. Wounds that pierced his body.
And he simpled shrugged the demons off himself and walked around with the blades still pierced in his body.

Now compare NTDante´s scratch wounds and DMC3 Dante´s wounds at beginning, both of them had not awakened devil trigger, yet you see a big contrast to their regeneration.

I dont think DmC is as realistic as you think Lyssec.
What is realism?
It is when your shot, you are affected by this, you suffer wounds that may or may not be critical.
When NTDante was shot in the back not only was it portrayed wrong when the impact hit (dust appeared - what is NTDante a rock or something?) but he never showed sign of being affected by the bullet(s) that hit him when he was running around carrying Kat. Neither during or after Kat was rescued.
Kat...another issue - why did she not die in that trade scene after Vergil shot Lilith in the stomach?
There was like 5 Swat members, and when Mundus´s heir was shot the Swat team gave Vergil more time to finish off Lilith (why were u not shooting back Swat?).
Another thing, Pjhineas said that Mundus knew nothing off love. that he didnt love Lilith.
So again...when Mundus heir (the baby in lilith) was killed, why had Mundus not given clear order "If the baby is killed, shoot right away and kill the terrorists!". Is he not a evil demon king that controlls the world or does his "slaves" have their own will when they accessed the sitution "Maybe i shudnt shoot!".

Also how is it realistic for you to regenerate a demon king digging into your chest?
You suffered a critical wound that you started screaming.
Yet as soon a he let goes of you, you are as energetic as ever.
On top of that...Mundus and Dante fell from a big height and hit buildings (DBZ lol).

 

[LysseC]

That trade scene was pretty strange imo, and I didn't like it one bit (at least, the part after Vergil started shooting). I agree with you, it was not realistic at all. How the hell did Kat not get shot?! Even if the SWATS were aiming at Vergil, it is highly unrealistic that she didn't get caught in the crossfire at all.
As for what happens with Mundus, we don't know what kind of attack it was, it was surely magical so I cannot tell. Hitting buildings.... Meh, you win. Forget about realism in DmC.
And DmC Dante has one hell of a durability too: surviving hitting buildings and being shot in the back mutliple times...
Then we have Vergil nearly dying from a stab wound. Well, we can use Kam's explanation once more: it depends on what kind of demonic power is channeled through the weapon.
What about Mundus's attack? Well, maybe that was one of those attacks that, since it wasn't completed, has little lasting effect.

Just one thing: I think that the scratches you mention at the beginning of your post are not scratches: they are scars from the days Dante was being kept prisoner in Hellfire (as we are shown in the comics), or, if not that, scars from his period in the demon-run orphanage.

 

[Loopy]

Just one thing: I think that the scratches you mention at the beginning of your post are not scratches: they are scars from the days Dante was being kept prisoner in Hellfire (as we are shown in the comics), or, if not that, scars from his period in the demon-run orphanage.

I thought the scratches when he wakes up were made by the strippers...then Dante heals them. So maybe he can choose to heal his wounds? Or it could be automatic since he has his powers by then.

I think you're right about the others scars that he has. Dante did have a rough life, so he's got to have a few little injuries. I guess he has scars because those injuries were done before he had his powers working properly, before Sparda gave Dante the rebellion power in the Hellfire prison.

So again...when Mundus heir (the baby in lilith) was killed, why had Mundus not given clear order "If the baby is killed, shoot right away and kill the terrorists!"

Mundus is proud, he's too confident in himself and his plans. I don't think he expected anyone to take a shot at Lilith, and by extension, his heir. He probably thought no one would ever dare to do that because there would be deadly consequences.
And looking back on Mundus during the exchange video with Kat, he even says that he didn't know someone would be stupid enough to challenge him. He doesn't know who he's really dealing with, and assumes Vergil is human- no threat to Mundus. So Mundus would be confident that the exchange would work in his favour because a regular human is no problem in his eyes; and a human would not dare shoot Lilith because of the consequences.


He thought there was no need to order SWAT to shoot. He underestimated his enemy and paid the price.

For all we know, SWAT was there to kill Kat and do exactly what Vergil did to Lilith....

However, I am wondering why SWAT shows no initiative when Lilith is shot first time. Surely after the first shot, they would want to attack? Or was it because of hitting Lilith by mistake? But, trained SWAT would be accurate enough not to hit their hostage...I hope Now that would be funny, Lilith and Mundus' heir die because SWAT shoots them by accident.:lol:

All I can think is that maybe the pause between Vergil shooting twice was dramatic effect for the player to really take in what Vergil had done. Because as soon as Lilith is dead, SWAT start shooting, Dante is shooting back while trying to save Kat, and Mundus is getting angry. It does become quite chaotic after Vergil kills Lilith, so I am leaning towards dramatic effect for the reason why SWAT was not retaliating immediately after Vergil takes the first shot.

Even so, I would have preferred SWAT to at least try and retaliate after the first shot.

 

[LysseC]

All I can think is that maybe the pause between Vergil shooting twice was dramatic effect for the player to really take in what Vergil had done. Because as soon as Lilith is dead, SWAT start shooting, Dante is shooting back while trying to save Kat, and Mundus is getting angry. It does become quite chaotic after Vergil kills Lilith, so I am leaning towards dramatic effect for the reason why SWAT was not retaliating immediately after Vergil takes the first shot.

Even so, I would have preferred SWAT to at least try and retaliate after the first shot.

I thought that too. I think this was something like a dramatic slow-mo moment or something like that. Didn't really play out well, though. :/

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Obviously it was for dramatic effect Loopy, but i think if your trying to portray realism then ...your not doing a good job by waiting with the Swat team to shoot. I simply thought that was really bad.

As for Mundus underestimating Dante? I'd say he wasnt, in beginning he said to Lilith "He's still out there" and Lilith was the one who reassured him the hunters would capture him, and Mundus was watching closely as trade off happened.
I know one thing there was not much slow motion involved in Vergil shooting scene. He took a shot at Lilith stomach, killed the baby, looked out of scope of the rifle, and back again and shot Lilith.
I really don't think that scene was realisitic no offence.

 

[Loopy]

Obviously it was for dramatic effect Loopy, but i think if your trying to portray realism then ...your not doing a good job by waiting with the Swat team to shoot. I simply thought that was really bad.

I'm not disagreeing that it was done badly, but what's done is done. I was just offering up a possible explaination.

As for trying to show realism...it was more like realism within the fantasy world of Limbo. So, I don't mind the Limbo parts being more fantastical, but when it comes to something like the exchange, which was meant to be a serious and realistic scene, SWAT should have reacted as soon as Vergil made that first shot, and killed Kat...should have killed her if she wasn't a plot device. That scene to me was more like 'macguffin exchange', with Lilith and Kat reduced to plot devices for the sake of getting Lilith out of the way and showing what Vergil is really capable of.

As for Mundus underestimating Dante? I'd say he wasnt, in beginning he said to Lilith "He's still out there" and Lilith was the one who reassured him the hunters would capture him, and Mundus was watching closely as trade off happened.
I know one thing there was not much slow motion involved in Vergil shooting scene. He took a shot at Lilith stomach, killed the baby, looked out of scope of the rifle, and back again and shot Lilith.
I really don't think that scene was realisitic no offence.

I didn't mean underestimating Dante, I meant Vergil. As far as Mundus was concerned, Vergil was only human, and a stupid one at that for trying to stand up to him. Mundus was not expecting Vergil to take a shot at Lilith and his heir. It would be like an insult to him and his power.
As for watching the exchange, of course he would watch to see that it all went in his favour, just like he planned.

Dante on the other hand, I took the opening scene with Mundus saying Dante was still out there to be a matter of finishing what he started. He can't rest until he knows that the last of Sparda's bloodline is dead. It a matter of pride, and knowing that the only being powerful enough to challenge him is dead.
Plus, it does seem that Mundus underestimated Dante in some way. He does say when Dante is breaking into the tower 'me, a god, versus you, a piece of ****'. I would take that line to mean that he does think he can beat Dante, that Dante is no real threat. He's too confident in himself being like a god to even entertain the idea that Dante would kill him. At the most, Dante was an irritation to his plans in his opinion.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Honestly that line "versus you a piece of ****" seemed to be more of a catch phrase to make him look good.
I just don't think Mundus underestimated Dante. As for Vergil he didnt know he was a nephilim so he had no reasons to be worried there.

If Mundus truly underestimated Dante then he wouldnt be monitoring or being worried about him.

But maybe he didnt underestimated Dante nor overestimate him? I just dont think he underestimated him. For a god that is...

 

[VineBigBoss]

I believe not, if his twin is not tough, he's probably in the same league. Angels and demons in DmC doesn't seem to have too much magical/supernatural properties in their bodies themselves besides being able to control powers most humans can't, Mundus' even needed to protect his human body with a bunch of cars and buildings in the end. Their body is probably a bit more tough than a normal human body, the new twins doesn't seem to have a great healing factor too.

 

[Loopy]

Honestly that line "versus you a piece of ****" seemed to be more of a catch phrase to make him look good.

It could have been that Mundus was reassuring himself that he was still strong enough to take Dante on...or he really still could have thought that Dante was less than sh!t.

Besides, I would have thought his catchphrase was 'you don't **** with a god.' That seems more like a catchphrase to me.

I just don't think Mundus underestimated Dante. As for Vergil he didnt know he was a nephilim so he had no reasons to be worried there.

If Mundus truly underestimated Dante then he wouldnt be monitoring or being worried about him.

But maybe he didnt underestimated Dante nor overestimate him? I just dont think he underestimated him. For a god that is...

Due to Mundus thinking that he is like a god, I think his only concern about Dante would be that he was literally a 'loose end' as Mundus said.
A loose end is something left over, something that just has to be dealt with because it is there. In the case of Dante, he was what was left over from Sparda betraying Mundus.
And at the start of the game, Dante is a drunk, hungover bum, who is more interested in a good time. He doesn't have a clue about his parents, what he really is or where his life is going. The way Dante is at the beginning of the game, there's no chance of him finding out what he was, or wanting to get revenge for his parents. The Dante at the start of the game was not a threat to Mundus.

I'd say it was a matter of personal ego and pride for Mundus to kill Dante. To know Dante was dead would put his mind at ease and know that he was stronger than Sparda and his bloodline.
He constantly refers to Dante as 'the son of the traitor' or the spawn of Sparda, so that would indicate that the main reason he wants Dante dead is because he is a living symbol of Sparda's betrayl of Mundus. Killing Dante would ease the betrayl.

Even when Dante kills the succubus, Mundus is angry, but he's not freaking out or panicking. Then when Bob is killed, Mundus is still gloating in his tower, and at this point he is aware that Dante is affiliated in some way with The Order. He just doesn't take The Order or Dante as a serious threat because he's too confident that SWAT will wipe them all out in the raid.
Even when his heir is killed, he's still saying Dante is a 'piece of ****'. Then when they confront each other in his office, he doesn't attack right away. Instead, Mundus is calm and asking questions and debating what freedom is. If he thought Dante was a real threat, he would have attacked as soon as Dante got near him. Instead, it took Dante insulting him and gloating about the death of his child to get Mundus angry enough to attack.

 

[EvilX-81]

NTDante in beginning of DmC seem to have pretty weak regeneration. He had sex with two strippers and hours later (assuming he came home with girls at 3 am ) when he woke up we see scratches on his back.
Who made those scratches? Strippers? A demon somehow?
Assuming it was the strippers ok?
Why did him sleeping for hours (at least 3 hours) not regenerate the wounds? It was shallow wounds not big ones.
And then when he wakes up he heals himself (not regeneration) with a angelic ability.

At end of DmC Mundus made a big wound in his chest, and he regenerates fast. This is when NTDante achieved Devil trigger so you can assume that Devil trigger boosted his regeneration alot.

In DMC 3, Dante who were around same age as NTDante (18- early 20s)
, in beginning Dante took critical wounds from fodder demons. Wounds that pierced his body.
And he simpled shrugged the demons off himself and walked around with the blades still pierced in his body.

Now compare NTDante´s scratch wounds and DMC3 Dante´s wounds at beginning, both of them had not awakened devil trigger, yet you see a big contrast to their regeneration.

I disagree with this assessment; NTDante's regen seemed to be consciously activated, and thus differently from classic Dante's. He had scratches on his back when he wakes up, his mark glows, and they disappear. So maybe he doesn't have auto regen, or it only works when he's awake or somesuch.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

optimal state for regen is sleep. if regen do not work while hes asleep then there is nothing to talk about.