Misogyny and The Devil May Cry
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Rayl
Pain and pleasure... I've got it all.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAPLEASETELLMEYOUDON'TACTUALLYKNOWHEIS.
Ruisu
Of course you don't remember me.
I actually always assume that when somebody is able to make an entire walltext with good gramar and arguments on the internet, they must be british, most people lose their point in a long text or are just too lazy to make one(like me).
So yeah, I didn't knew he really was xD
So yeah, I didn't knew he really was xD
Loopy
Devil hunter in training
Speaking of villains...:troll: Okay, that Mundus banging Lilith scene, I'm surprised no one brought that up as an example.
You could say that was 'LOOK AT ME, HETROSEXUAL VILLAIN RIGHT HERE! I'M SO HETROSEXUAL THAT I'M BANGING MY BITCH OVER A TABLE DOGGY STYLE AND TOTALLY DOMINATING HER! I'M SO MANLY AND VIRILE THAT I KNOCKED HER UP!' :lol:
But I saw it more as, she's a fool for letting him do that, and he doesn't give a hoot because he's doing her from beind (no love there I see
) and he can't be bothered to take his pants off properly. It was just to show how empty it all was, more like a duty or chore than doing it for love.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
Glad to see you're once again twisting people;s words and ignoring the blatent truth in the statment, Macabre, along with "I make what you say become something it's totally not!" rhetoric. Please stop while you're ahead. There's bad writing on both ends, just try to accept that. i did, and I enjoy both.
And this was why you went on the "does not exist" list, btw, I was hoping to see something that would prove otherwise...guess not.
I feel that there are already alot of positive representation of women in entertainment. You complain about how women in gaming, more specifically Kat in DmC, is represented as this eye-candy goodness... Well, so are the male protagonists. Equality doesn't have to mean "Be ugly but intelligent".
And no, I have a firm belief that male supremacy is still quite maintained. One woman who dares to speak her mind isn't really enough for me to doubt my own gender.
V
Oldschool DMC fan
I think the problem here is confusing the inherently sexist standards of society with active misogyny.
DmC may betray some expectations of society but it doesn't go out of its way to hate on women. Far from it. It's trying to be progressive, while also making sure we can accept it by our current standards. Yes, it is male-centric like most of the DMC games bar 2. But male centric doesn't equal Woman Hate.
I just went through my entire game collection (prompted by this topic, took a look at the covers) and just looking at the PS3 and 360 ones, only three have women featuring as main character on the covers. And one of those you have to invert the paper sleeve to get the female cover. Men is how you sell games, apparently. Usually men holding guns, or swords, or lightsabers, or whatever. Bayonetta has to show her ass. The only one I could see which has a woman on it that isn't showing her ass and isn't on the inside of the sleeve is one of the Medal of Honor games, which has a woman in full uniform holding a rocket launcher or something (I nearly fainted from shock). Severe case of male centrism, but then people like Activision have already come out and said they will not make a game with a female character in it atm because it's a risk. They don't seem to get there are a lot of female gamers out there, and still seem to think men make up most of the audience. As long as this is the belief, and until someone can prove women are buying as many games, this is probably gonna continue.
All that cock stuff you said made me LOL, though. You can see just about anything in anything but nothing beats a bit of Freud, huh?
DmC may betray some expectations of society but it doesn't go out of its way to hate on women. Far from it. It's trying to be progressive, while also making sure we can accept it by our current standards. Yes, it is male-centric like most of the DMC games bar 2. But male centric doesn't equal Woman Hate.
I just went through my entire game collection (prompted by this topic, took a look at the covers) and just looking at the PS3 and 360 ones, only three have women featuring as main character on the covers. And one of those you have to invert the paper sleeve to get the female cover. Men is how you sell games, apparently. Usually men holding guns, or swords, or lightsabers, or whatever. Bayonetta has to show her ass. The only one I could see which has a woman on it that isn't showing her ass and isn't on the inside of the sleeve is one of the Medal of Honor games, which has a woman in full uniform holding a rocket launcher or something (I nearly fainted from shock). Severe case of male centrism, but then people like Activision have already come out and said they will not make a game with a female character in it atm because it's a risk. They don't seem to get there are a lot of female gamers out there, and still seem to think men make up most of the audience. As long as this is the belief, and until someone can prove women are buying as many games, this is probably gonna continue.
All that cock stuff you said made me LOL, though. You can see just about anything in anything but nothing beats a bit of Freud, huh?
DreadnoughtDT
God of Hyperdeath
Whuh... I...
Can't we just play games because they're fun? Why do we always have to have those "Stop Having Fun" guys/women?
Can't we just play games because they're fun? Why do we always have to have those "Stop Having Fun" guys/women?
Vergil'sBitch
I am Nero's Mom & Obsessed fan girl
Is it not one of those things that the world assumes that gaming is done mostly be males therefore we need these weak female characters with cleavage hanging out to sell games?
V
Oldschool DMC fan
Seems to be what some developers believe anyway. Maybe the audience is massively skewed toward male still, I don't know. Are there any figures anywhere?
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
Pretty much, and at least in Kat's case, she's not hanging out of her top, while Lilith is essentially a parody of too much plastic surgery.
I love how the OP tried to point out Kat hunkering down during the final fight, leaving out the important fact that, regardless of gender, it's TWO INHUMANLY POWERFUL DEMON/ANGEL HYBRID people about to clash with each other, and as a HUMAN, she BEST get out of the way, regardless of her being a girl, or if she'd been a guy.
Loopy
Devil hunter in training
The again there is the ideo of the pretty boy main lead to appeal to female gamers (at least I think that was what final fantasy was getting at?)
I think it might be changing with Bioshock. Levine did a good interview where he seemed to get a bit annoyed at the interviewer because he kept talking about how Elizabeth dressed (too much chest showing) so Levine said something like 'if all you can talk about when you see Elizabeth is what she wears and how much chest she is showing, it says more about you than us.' He said it was like perving over your sister, especially after playing the game with Elizabeth by your side. He said he wanted to make her a real character who helps out, who doesn't need protecting. So, that's a step in the right direction.
(I wish I could find that interview!>_<)
Vergil'sBitch
I am Nero's Mom & Obsessed fan girl
Really?(I don't play FF or know much about the series to know about that). If I'm honest, I don't find Dante pretty.... *shrugs*... I mostly like gaming for... gaming
Loopy
Devil hunter in training
I get my guy to make me a sammich and he'd better do it quick!:lol:
Lilith is like a good example of what not to be as a woman. Don't mutilate youself with plastic surgery to try and catch men, don't pretend to like a guy for power and don't trap him with a baby because he will never love you. Also, don't bend over a table...it's not a pretty sight.
Vergil'sBitch
I am Nero's Mom & Obsessed fan girl
^ LOL!
V
Oldschool DMC fan
The eye candy argument I always find defunct. Nobody is ever gonna stop perving/lusting after sexy people, male or female, real or unreal. Just add some male eye candy if there isn't enough to match the female, and give them a job to do other than just being eye candy, and everyone should be a little happier. Or just don't flaunt the flesh as much. DMC2's heroine - perfect example. I like Lucia's character, and they didn't have to turn her into a sex object to make me.
nightrunner_ks
You are not in control
This has to be an intricate troll.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
...yeah, that's my wife right there. ^^;;; does the same thing
Judgement
The skeptical, open-minded, conservative, pacifist
I'd like to see the OP reply to some of this, there are many valid points given so far that do not disrespect her or her original statement that she could respond to peacefully and or logically....Granted to respond logically *might* infringe on her original view.
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