How much of an idiot would you have to be...

[TyrantWayne9999]

To be coaxed into going away from the thing that grants you near limitless power?
Yes I'm referring to DmCMundus/Arius/Kingpin/Tobias Whale/Whatever.

It would like...
-If ANY Green Lantern was coaxed into fighting Grayven or Atrocitus without their power ring

-Bruce Banner trying to take on Abomination or Bi-Beast without turning into Hulk (even Grey Hulk just to have some kind of fighting chance)

-Superman fighting Doomsday or Brainiac without absorbing yellow sunlight

-Kratos fighting the Gods and Titans without weapons

-Batman fighting most opponents without any of his gadgets or a strategy (Suck it Battards)

-Bane fighting a stronger opponent without his venom

-Spider-Man taking on a more skilled opponent without spidersenses

-Thanos taking on an entire planet of super beings without the IG

-Frieza fighting a stronger opponent without switching to his stronger forms

-Goku fighting Omega Shenron without at least going Super Saiyan

-Expecting a blind person not to use his other senses to take on a mugger

-A ninja not to use stealth as their primary method of assassination

-Naruto not to use shadow clones (oh wait he fails even with them)

-Wolverine fighting an army of Sentinels without his claws or regeneration

-the inferior four not to work as a team against a super powerful being



My point is this particular moment is something you expect out of the Adam West Batman show or a comic before the 70s, not in a story that's supposedly meant to rival Hollywood movies and books of the modern era....

I'd get into other horribly moments in this game but this the one I wanted to emphasize and I'd probably get modded for those (**** I'm gonna get modded for this one, just cuz my opinion doesn't conform to else's).

 

[Ruisu]

Maybe because not everyone is paranoid as ****, and sometimes a really powerful being may let his guard down when he believes to be fighting one lone, much weaker oponent?

Dante was NOT that much of a threat to Mundus head on. And Mundus could still take power from the hellgate even when away from it, the feint was so Vergil could destroy it. So in Mundus point of view, he wasn't going away from the power of the hellgate, and Dante was pinned down helpless.

 

[Chancey289]

Mundus wasn't powerless when away from the Hellgate. It was just something that when up and running in the human world made him basically immortal. And pretty much the only being powerful enough to pose a threat to that thing's destruction was Dante as far as he was concerned. He wasn't aware of of Vergil's existence as a Son of Sparda. Humans are not what he was worried about, it was the Nephillim.

Yea, you pretty much wasted your time.

 

[TyrantWayne9999]

Maybe because not everyone is paranoid as ****, and sometimes a really powerful being may let his guard down when he believes to be fighting one lone, much weaker oponent?

Dante was NOT that much of a threat to Mundus head on. And Mundus could still take power from the hellgate even when away from it, the feint was so Vergil could destroy it. So in Mundus point of view, he wasn't going away from the power of the hellgate, and Dante was pinned down helpless.

The stupidest part about all that was that nDante didn't really provoke him to bring the fight outside nMundus could have done the same **** still inside of the office. It makes it that much more idiotic. And ya he didn't know about Vergil (another plothole to be addressed for another day) but that doesn't change the fact he had nothing to lose if had kept the fight inside the office, not even pride.

 

[TyrantWayne9999]

This trick is so old and played out that a lot of modern fiction has made fun of it.

"oh your gonna trick me into fighting in such a way that gives you the advantage? I don't think so."

 

[berto]

That was the whole point of going there and talking trash. I think you misunderstood the plan.

Step 1.
Get to Mudus.

Step 2.
Pi$$ him off to get him away from the gate in a fit of rage.

Step 3.
Have Vergil, who Mundus doesn't know exists, sneak in to seal said gate with the only key available, which Mundus doesn't know exists, and seal it, which Mundus doesn't know can happen.

Step 4.
Kill the bastard.

Step 5.
Orgy. (Kat insisted)

Step 6.
Rule mankind. (Vergil Insisted)

 

[TyrantWayne9999]

That was the whole point of going there and talking trash. I think you misunderstood the plan.

Step 1.
Get to Mudus.

Step 2.
Pi$$ him off to get him away from the gate in a fit of rage.

Step 3.
Have Vergil, who Mundus doesn't know exists, sneak in to seal said gate with the only key available, which Mundus doesn't know exists, and seal it, which Mundus doesn't know can happen.

Step 4.
Kill the bastard.

Step 5.
Orgy. (Kat insisted)

Step 6.
Rule mankind. (Vergil Insisted)

The only problem with this is they had to assume that this WOULD work. There are variables within that plan that can ultimately be altered to work against our young rebels.
At step 1, not a whole lot of difficulties here unless he moves from building to building on an hourly basis.

Step 2 is where the problems become more prominent, but I guess it was convenient that nDante and Vergil killed the Succubus, Mundus' Spawn and bearer, and his news reporter beforehand.

Step 3, ya him not about Vergil in the first place is idiotic (something to address for another time) to begin with but we'll just pretend for all tense and purposes for this particular situation that this story wasn't written by a 12 year old who just got into fanfiction, then there's no problem.

Step 5, with that kind of face....whatever I guess.

Step 6, marginally logical yet somehow still moronic (I just can't seem to place my finger on it)

 

[berto]

The only problem with this is they had to assume that this WOULD work. There are variables within that plan that can ultimately be altered to work against our young rebels.

So? Better than not trying anything at all. You never assume a plan will work, simply hope that it will.

Step 2 is where the problems become more prominent, but I guess it was convenient that nDante and Vergil killed the Succubus, Mundus' Spawn and bearer, and his news reporter beforehand.

Convenience had nothing to do with it. It was all part of the plan.

Step 3, ya him not about Vergil in the first place is idiotic (something to address for another time) to begin with but we'll just pretend for all tense and purposes for this particular situation that this story wasn't written by a 12 year old who just got into fanfiction, then there's no problem.

In all fairness the story has already taken enough of a beating. Yeah, it's so silly you'd think it got a B- in writing class for grade 8, but still.

Step 5, with that kind of face....whatever I guess.

Her plan, it worked, she got tortured for it, she should get a cocky for her efforts.

 

[Chancey289]

What is so hard to understand about Mundus's lack of knowledge concerning Vergil? He's just done a good job staying hidden. He didn't grow up like Dante getting in to trouble with the authorities and slaying demons when they f#cked with him so yea, Dante made an impression and impact.

Vergil grew up with more luxury. He had a good home and spent a lot of his time learning computers and hacking. Pretty useful skills since I can only imagine he spent time fabricating false identities and all especially when the world is constantly under the influence of a passive aggressive demonic rule.

Seriously, I know you guys hate DmC and love to b!tch, but the plot really isn't that bad. It's not the greatest thing ever and far from imaginative, but it's solid and stuff in it still works. Stuff like this is just reaching.

 

[Bazilican]

WOW! I've been out the game for a long ass time, I come back and nothing's changed really.

So why don't I just go ahead and put my two cents.

First off; I know no one's saying ANYTHING about DmC's story when DMC1-4 was really no better or anything to snort about. Its the basic anime set up for DMC2 to DMC4. DMC1 had potential but that was all thrown out the window. DMC2 was a terrible story set up, DMC3 was just another anime wanna-be, and DMC4 was a shoujo/shonen story with Douchete in the middle.

But I will agree that it was a dumb move to actually go away from the hellglate. I'd think Mundus would be paranoid a bit more, but then again, he believed Donte was the only Nephilim and therefore the only person who could close the gate, considering he only saw Dante that nigh the killed Eva and not Vergil at all. Only an idiot would miss that crucial detail. So I can see that being logical.

 

[berto]

WOW! I've been out the game for a long ass time, I come back and nothing's changed really.

So why don't I just go ahead and put my two cents.

First off; I know no one's saying ANYTHING about DmC's story when DMC1-4 was really no better or anything to snort about. Its the basic anime set up for DMC2 to DMC4. DMC1 had potential but that was all thrown out the window. DMC2 was a terrible story set up, DMC3 was just another anime wanna-be, and DMC4 was a shoujo/shonen story with Douchete in the middle.

Yep. The more things change.

 

[TyrantWayne9999]

It's in the first 5 minutes of the game that nMundus demonstrates his spidey...I mean his power to sense palade...I mean Nephillims, granted I don't know why that wouldn't have kicked in when Travis Touchd..I mean Dante first came to the Village Hidden in the ra...I mean Limbo City. Kingp...I mean nMundus is just about the most uninteresting (and quite frankly uninterested) villain in any modern piece of fiction I've come across. Gotta wonder who the president in their miserable world is though? Lex Luthor, Norman Osborn, Ronald Reagan, Dick Chaney, Barack Obama, or Joe the plumber if a corporation has so much power that it can just freely blackmail the supposed highest governing authority in their state/country/nation?

 

[The Final Offer]

How much of an idiot would you have to be to not understand how provoking works?

 

[Ruisu]

That was uncalled for '-'

You know, we could have a big 'general DmC discussion' topic here to avoid so many posts with like, 2 pages tops. Tyrantwayne could start those discussions there with a single post, instead of a new topic everytime.

 

[The Final Offer]

That was uncalled for '-'

You know, we could have a big 'general DmC discussion' topic here to avoid so many posts with like, 2 pages tops. Tyrantwayne could start those discussions there with a single post, instead of a new topic everytime.

Sorry, this thread inspired me.

 

[Ruisu]

Doesn't really justify it mate.

 

[The Final Offer]

Doesn't really justify it mate.

Not trying to justify it to you.

From my perspective, OP doesn't know how provocation works nor why it's possible to work whilst someone is angered beyond belief.

Notice the taunt button in the DMC series? How about RPG games?

 

[TyrantWayne9999]

Not trying to justify it to you.

From my perspective, OP doesn't know how provocation works nor why it's possible to work whilst someone is angered beyond belief.

Notice the taunt button in the DMC series? How about RPG games?

The thing about common enemies in videogames (or fiction in general) is they typically have nothing to lose if they attack provoked or unprovoked. nMundus has one really important tool to lose in allowing himself to be provoked the way he was. Even without factoring vergil into the equation, you'd think someone who was smart and powerful enough to rule the world (or at least a nation) would have contingency plans. No? we're just gonna apparently make the ruler of the country an idiot through the current running story of the game? sure why not?

 

[The Final Offer]

The thing about common enemies in videogames (or fiction in general) is they typically have nothing to lose if they attack provoked or unprovoked. nMundus has one really important tool to lose in allowing himself to be provoked the way he was. Even without factoring vergil into the equation, you'd think someone who was smart and powerful enough to rule the world (or at least a nation) would have contingency plans. No? we're just gonna apparently make the ruler of the country an idiot through the current running story of the game? sure why not?

Completely ignorant. Typical.

 

[Chancey289]

The thing about common enemies in videogames (or fiction in general) is they typically have nothing to lose if they attack provoked or unprovoked. nMundus has one really important tool to lose in allowing himself to be provoked the way he was. Even without factoring vergil into the equation, you'd think someone who was smart and powerful enough to rule the world (or at least a nation) would have contingency plans. No? we're just gonna apparently make the ruler of the country an idiot through the current running story of the game? sure why not?

Dude, he's not all that worried leaving the Hellgate where it is because the only ones who pose any real threat to it, is the Nephillim. He doesn't know there are two. As far as he's concerned, no human can see or even knows his true nature and the Hellgate itself only exist in Limbo. Who's the only people that can traverse between the worlds now? Nephillim. Which is why they pose such a threat.

Plus, now that I think about it. No one is supposed to know the Hellgate is the source of his immortality. Vergil was able to somehow obtain this information after years and years of recon.

So there you go. To Mundus, Dante is the only target and no one should actually know the significance of the Hellgate. They used that to their advantage. Hell, no one even knew he had a child until Phineas told them.

Sooooooooo, yea. Your argument has been completely destroyed. Good day.