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DMC's Flaws; Capcom's Reasons For The Reboot?

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Railazel

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Okay, so here's my analysis of DMC's flaws, which seemingly are a primary motivator for the Reboot.

1) "Dante's not cool"- This is the first because its the most odd reason for rebooting a character. The point of rebooting a character is to give the character a new start and, more importantly, a new image. But thats not the case with Dante. Dante is cool, he's just cool in his own way. I think Capcom might see it differently because people are attracted to other games. The demographic that DMC attracted ended up going to other hardcore games, but it wasn't because Dante wasn't cool, he just wasn't epic enough to compete with guys like Kratos or War.

2) "DMC isn't getting much money"- Definitely Capcom's initial reason for the rebot. DMC was in a state of character inconsistency and didn't progress in neither story nor gameplay. It had a good premise to go off of, but nothing was done to bring the story to a solid conclusion at any point. Plus, like said already, DMC was losing its attraction to people. God of War pretty much took the genre to new heights in terms of story and Bayonetta took it far with gameplay, how is Dante going to compete when all he has is two guns and a sword? Which brings me to my next point...

3) "DMC just isn't progressing"- It isn't, and its not going to. They cut the only person who can progress the game, so now Capcom has to restart everything because they can't finish what was already started.

4) "DMC has an incosistent storyline"- And why? Because Dante had to change according to what Capcom wanted. That's the thing about worrying about a game/character's money intake. You think you know what's best for the game to draw up cash, but you might end up ruining the game in the process. That's why if the game is good the first time, then keep it the way it was and make it better so that you won't end up messing it up to the point where you have to restart everything. Take guys like the developers of God of War, they had something good and instead of saying "oh, the game might not draw up the same attention, let's change it," they continued the series and pushed it forward.

5) "DMC's gameplay wasn't good enough"- Which isn't really true because its gameplay pioneered an entire genre of games. DMC was the first of its kind, so of course it had good gameplay. However, it was inconsistent. Styles weren't implemented until DMC3, and really should have stayed there becuase why would Dante make up styles, get rid of them, then use them again? Considering DMC1 and DMC2, Styles are exactly all that important, they were fun, but obviously not necessary. In fact, blending the Styles would've been great, having the moves from SwordMaster and GunSlinger added onto weapon movesets would've been awesome with RoyalGuard and Trickster being evasive and blocking moves for the O button. Pretty much, they could've made it better.

So these serve are reasons for Capcom's reboot, but do you think they are truly legit? Do you think that if they thought of things more clearly, they would change their minds and turn back?
 
The reasons are not legit.
They lost track of what people liked by the game and allowed a reboot that copies it - but is not the same game.
 
They're pretty legit, business is business and if you F.I.U.B.A.R. (f*ck it up beyond all recognition) and have no where to continue, the best place to go is back to the drawing board...gamers want great gameplay and a consistent story...DMC only had one of those things...a series order should NEVER be 3,1,4,2...that's just completely retarded...and what you are all saying is making it 3,1,4,2,5...REALLY? that would just make it MORE confusing...the more you add, the more f*cked up it gets...while I wish I could've seen what might've been if they continued, I, for one, am glad that we will finally have SOME ORDER to this madness.
 
And not having a chronological order of games isn't retarded.

I agree.

Just look at the metroid series for example.

It has a jumbled story placement that is pretty similar to DMC's and you do not see metroid fans complaining.

It goes

Metroid,Metroid Prime series,Metroid 2,Super Metroid,Metroid Other M,and Metroid fusion.
 
I think the best medium to tie all the loose ends together for dmc is a book/manga or even a anime series that actually has some purpose.
There aren't to many games around that simply try to tie loose ends because there isn't anything to push you forward.
DMC4 should of had its gameplay rebooted and the story more befitting Dante, instead of an introduction to a new character and a rehashed gameplay.
GoW had epic story and Bayonetta had epic gameplay which used the new hardware to its fullest. I want a dmc game thats appropriate for the hardware its on.
Its kind of sad that capcom took such drastic measures but from what i've seen so far, it looks like a BA hack and slash, and its using the hardware in the right direction.
 
I think the best medium to tie all the loose ends together for dmc is a book/manga or even a anime series that actually has some purpose.
There aren't to many games around that simply try to tie loose ends because there isn't anything to push you forward.
DMC4 should of had its gameplay rebooted and the story more befitting Dante, instead of an introduction to a new character and a rehashed gameplay.
GoW had epic story and Bayonetta had epic gameplay which used the new hardware to its fullest. I want a dmc game thats appropriate for the hardware its on.
Its kind of sad that capcom took such drastic measures but from what i've seen so far, it looks like a BA hack and slash, and its using the hardware in the right direction.
i think medium for DmC should be a movie.
 
Capcom is notorious for never finishing a story line. Just look at the Mega Man series. I think they get bored of their work after a while.
 
I agree.

Just look at the metroid series for example.

It has a jumbled story placement that is pretty similar to DMC's and you do not see metroid fans complaining.

It goes

Metroid,Metroid Prime series,Metroid 2,Super Metroid,Metroid Other M,and Metroid fusion.


Yeah, notice the subtitle....Metroid, Metroid Prime, Metroid 2, Metroid Other M, Metroid Fusion...you don't see it going something like Metroid Fusion, Metroid 2, Metroid Prime, Metroid Other M, Metroid 1....

The FIRST game of a series is NEVER the third Chronologically. You NEVER see that because it's just confusing as f*ck and retarded as hell. I'm sorry, but when I see 3,1,4,2, I see a company that can't get it's sh*t straight and, instead, likes milking what it can.
 
seriously guys 3,1,4 & 2 is lame. No game with a good/consistent storyline goes 3,1,4,2 it sux. It just a failed effort at trying to make sense out of nonsense.
 
Yeah, notice the subtitle....Metroid, Metroid Prime, Metroid 2, Metroid Other M, Metroid Fusion...you don't see it going something like Metroid Fusion, Metroid 2, Metroid Prime, Metroid Other M, Metroid 1....

The FIRST game of a series is NEVER the third Chronologically. You NEVER see that because it's just confusing as f*ck and retarded as hell. I'm sorry, but when I see 3,1,4,2, I see a company that can't get it's sh*t straight and, instead, likes milking what it can.
I disagreed that going out of chronological order is retarded. But i agree that DMC 3 (third game) being the first of DMC games is not so awesome. But it seems that Hideki leaving Capcom, a game designer who had a big role in DMC creation, impacted Capcom. The story went to hell, and the designers left tried to make something out of it.

But DMC 1 wasn't a product of greed. How can the first game of DMC serie be a "milk product"?
I would say DMC 4 and DmC reboot are. Though DMC 4 gameplay is great.
DMC 2 seems like a attempt of a sequel.

But take notice that when Hideki were gone (after DMC 1) the games story went to hell. And DMC 1 story is consistent.
Take notice all DMC games gameplay are pretty awesome.
Take notice that Hideki created Bayonetta - a great gameplay game like DMC, and he used DMC ideas such as Tony Redgrave suggesting that he had ideas for DMC serie.
 
Well then that leads onto another question: Why do you think Capcom cut Hideki? Do you guys think it was a smart move?
 
I disagreed that going out of chronological order is retarded. But i agree that DMC 3 (third game) being the first of DMC games is not so awesome. But it seems that Hideki leaving Capcom, a game designer who had a big role in DMC creation, impacted Capcom. The story went to hell, and the designers left tried to make something out of it.

But DMC 1 wasn't a product of greed. How can the first game of DMC serie be a "milk product"?
I would say DMC 4 and DmC reboot are. Though DMC 4 gameplay is great.
DMC 2 seems like a attempt of a sequel.

But take notice that when Hideki were gone (after DMC 1) the games story went to hell. And DMC 1 story is consistent.
Take notice all DMC games gameplay are pretty awesome.
Take notice that Hideki created Bayonetta - a great gameplay game like DMC, and he used DMC ideas such as Tony Redgrave suggesting that he had ideas for DMC serie.

you're just being stubborn here. No person in their right mind would make the third of anything be the first to occur.
 
i think medium for DmC should be a movie.
please tell me your not serious because there is only a small handful of movies that can actually be considered part of the canon.
a movie is only 2 hours, 3 hours at best, and trying to squeeze in all the loop holes in a story thats supposed to be captivating is just not what, i think, is the best medium.
People who want to know the whole story should be able to read about it, because capcom hasnt made an effort to try to keep the story intact at all.

also. the best game in the series is dmc3. im sure people are going to get ****ed off. but its true. the story, the graphics, the gameplay, everything came together in dmc3. dmc1 had a good story and was hard as hell to beat. if you had the patients to beat it, you and and a few people would like it. I beat it and i never wanted to play it again. dmc2 came out and made me want a whole lot more and dmc3 was the answer.

the story is F'ed up and so is the progression of gameplay.
I'm not trying to hate so much on it, but not being able to see these things in the game you love really make it hard to talk about. It's seriously a hard game to follow, and the only draw is the gameplay. Its the reason why when Dante in DmC had dard hair, people were so angry, because they fell in love with dante, and not the game. I think DMC is a great game, and is very promising and anything related to dmc has a magnetic draw that i can not comprehend. And when DmC was announced, i was more than happy to have another addition to the series. And by the looks of it, i wont be let down.
 
I think they cut kamiya because his other games, viewtiful, okami, godhand weren't best sellers so they weren't sure if he could deliver with DMC2.
not sure as kamiya was the guy who made dmc a sucess in the first place so it was reason to assume he could have done it again.
 
I think they cut kamiya because his other games, viewtiful, okami, godhand weren't best sellers so they weren't sure if he could deliver with DMC2.
not sure as kamiya was the guy who made dmc a sucess in the first place so it was reason to assume he could have done it again.

Their reasoning is quite odd... Just because DMC was a success does not mean any other games would be. And besides, those games were good, and the fame they would've drawn from their ratings would have definitely measured up to good sells....
 
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