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DmC Fan Theories and Physics Stuff!

Railazel

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So, my friends and I were just chilling one day and we started talking DmC again. We decided to try to make up some theories just for the fun of it and, surprisingly, some of them made sense for the game (while, of course, others were completely off- base).

1. Sparda Was The Real Demon King
The reasoning behind this is just a "what if" scenario. Not really much of a theory but an idea.

2. Eva Is Still Alive
This is based on her appearance in Hell in VD. Basically, if she knew how, she could escape like Vergil did, basically making her "death" status as fragile as Kratos'.

3. The Angels Are Demons Too
Ummm... Suuurrrreee...

Alright, now here are the less off- base ones.

4. The Nephilim Were The Original Race
This is a good theory. There is a script file someone found here in the forums where Sparda said that when he talked to Dante. The theory is that the Nephilim were the ancestral race of the Angels, Demons, and Humans. The problem is that Vergil said that Angels and Demons have "always been" so the theory is shot down right there.

5. This Is All In Dante's Head
This also makes sense. In the teaser trailer, Dante is seen in an asylum and, in the game, Dante said that people thought he was crazy. The theory is that Dante was always a lonely kid and had mental issues from birth. He made up Vergil as an imaginary friend and, when his parents divorced (the demons' attack), he and Vergil were "separated" when he was sent to a mental facility where they gave him drugs which actually made things worse and gave him violent tendencies. Later on in his life, he would party, take drugs, etc., which furthered his issues and made his visions of demons worse to the point that he believed he started entering into a whole other world altogether. When game starts is when he starts questioning his life and what he has done with it. He made up Kat to sort out his feelings and Vergil returned after Dante saw the video of the terrorist in the news. With nothing controlling his violent nature, he actually did go around killing people and destroying stuff but, in his mind, he's in Limbo fighting demons.

A rather gruesome story but it doesn't make sense why Dante would create an entire group of rebels in order to help himself with his self- doubt. Plus how would he be able to be crazy and still get girls into his pants?

6. Sparda Planned On This To Overthrow Mundus
This theory says that Sparda had been planning to betray his brother for a long time, so he found Eva to make Nephilim children that would be able to beat Mundus. It makes sense since Sparda left weapons behind for Dante and gave Vergil a weapon that can seal the Hell Gate. The problem is that it gives Sparda an ulterior motive behind his romance with Eva which was said in the game (if I recall) to have been purely based on love.

7. Phineas Used To Be Sparda's Servant
In the game, Phineas called Dante "master". The theory says that this suggest that Phineas sees Dante as his (former) authority and that he was probably under Sparda's servitude. On the other hand, Phineas said that he was just a scholar before he was imprisoned so maybe him calling Dante "master" is a term of respect rather than of former subserviance.

Okay, now for the Physics stuff. I showed them my notes on Limbo and they started pounding me with questions. I wrote some of them down and my answers to them.

1. What is Limbo exactly?
A blanket universe. A realm separate from ours but intimately tied to it. I can't really give you a clear- cut answer because NT wanted to make this a mush between the Matrix and how the world is perceived in They Live but the best answer I can give you is this. Think of Limbo as a giant demon of madness and we're all living in it. It is somehow tied to our consciousness so that it can manipulate our thoughts and views of the world. Imagine if every crazy person was right. If all their visions and distortions of the world were true? That's Limbo.

2. Does Limbo have Mass?
I would assume so. It's kind of hard to determine that behind a tv screen but gravity and inertia are there so I would take a very certain guess that Limbo has mass.
 
I can add that Limbo is probably is same as Paradiso in Bayonetta. It's probably space that exists between Hell/human world. Because of that parts of hell change earth. Another example is cross-over state of Earth with Outworld in MK2.
As for Eva, if you read developer thread, it was mentioned that Eva in VD is only humans side of Vergil psyche.
 
No that WAS Eva. And Vergil really was dead in VD.
I quote on developer answer:
">For many, Eva is simply Vergil's angelic side. I thought that was too simplistic. This woman carried Vergil in her womb, their connection is far deeper than that. She is his origin, and by killing that link, Vergil is essentially being reborn. Reborn his own way and in control of his fate."So we talking about Vergil experiencing those things in his head.
 
I quote on developer answer:
">For many, Eva is simply Vergil's angelic side. I thought that was too simplistic. This woman carried Vergil in her womb, their connection is far deeper than that. She is his origin, and by killing that link, Vergil is essentially being reborn. Reborn his own way and in control of his fate."So we talking about Vergil experiencing those things in his head.

Yes, but there was another question he answered regarding Eva, about how that really was Eva there. What she represents in the story doesn't change the fact that the dev who worked on VD says both she and Vergil are dead.
 
Yes, but there was another question he answered regarding Eva, about how that really was Eva there. What she represents in the story doesn't change the fact that the dev who worked on VD says both she and Vergil are dead.
Does this quote help?:

'That is the real Eva, who's been doomed to a life in hell. Rejected by the angels, who saw her as a traitor after the relationship with Sparda, she was banished and placed there for all eternity. Vergil pays her a visit.'
 
Yes, but there was another question he answered regarding Eva, about how that really was Eva there. What she represents in the story doesn't change the fact that the dev who worked on VD says both she and Vergil are dead.
As far as cutcenes went, I don't think Vergil dead, i think he was in coma like state and he dealt with his inner world, so since Dante and Kat weren't real in VD i doubt Eva was.[DOUBLEPOST=1401397237][/DOUBLEPOST]
Does this quote help?:

'That is the real Eva, who's been doomed to a life in hell. Rejected by the angels, who saw her as a traitor after the relationship with Sparda, she was banished and placed there for all eternity. Vergil pays her a visit.'
oh, ok. now it helps. didn't saw it. though i don't understand how Eva was real, but Dante and Kat werent'
 
As far as cutcenes went, I don't think Vergil dead, i think he was in coma like state and he dealt with his inner world, so since Dante and Kat weren't real in VD i doubt Eva was.[DOUBLEPOST=1401397237][/DOUBLEPOST]
oh, ok. now it helps. didn't saw it. though i don't understand how Eva was real, but Dante and Kat werent'

It was actually an answer to my question about Eva and the Hollows :p

Well, as I said above, these Hollow characters were meant to represent parts of Vergil's personality, not necessarily emotional ties. Hollow Kat represents humanity, not necessarily a connection to Kat. When he "kills" her, he is in fact killing part of himself. If you think about it, Vergil is the end is half dead because he killed all these parts of himself. It's never said out loud, but he becomes Nero Angelo, or the Angel of Death, the one that can walk among the dead and the living.

That is the real Eva, who's been doomed to a life in hell. Rejected by the angels, who saw her as a traitor after the relationship with Sparda, she was banished and placed there for all eternity. Vergil pays her a visit.
 
and what about dante? I think it cant be humanity. Probably family ties...or something
I think Dante represented Vergil feeling insecure and inferior about Dante. So killing fake Dante made Vergil think he was the stronger and better twin. Maybe that?
 
I think Dante represented Vergil feeling insecure and inferior about Dante. So killing fake Dante made Vergil think he was the stronger and better twin. Maybe that?
so...if he resurrected from the dead...it kinda means nobody in Dmc dying anyway...
 
and what about dante? I think it cant be humanity. Probably family ties...or something

Well yeah, Hollow Kat represented Vergil's humanity, with the other Hollows representing other parts of Vergil and his personality. I guess it's still up to a bit of interpretation unless we just go and ask D0NN1E. Prevailing theories are that Hollow Dante represents Vergil's insecurities in comparison to his brother, and Hollow Vergil himself is the power-hungry nature. The way the Hollows talk is fairly indicative of what traits they personify.
 
I can add that Limbo is probably is same as Paradiso in Bayonetta. It's probably space that exists between Hell/human world. Because of that parts of hell change earth. Another example is cross-over state of Earth with Outworld in MK2.
As for Eva, if you read developer thread, it was mentioned that Eva in VD is only humans side of Vergil psyche.
Don't you mean Purgatorio? Like DMC/DmC, Bayonetta also have elements of The Divine Comedy.
 
Yeah, the thing is in the Divine Comedy, and by proxy Bayonetta's, nomenclature, Paradiso is Heaven, Inferno is Hell, and Purgatorio is some spot in-between overlaid with Earth.

Although, in the Divine Comedy, Purgatorio was sort of like the front door to Paradiso, similar to how Limbo was the front door to Inferno.
 
Now that you've mentioned it, Two, you're right!

But Purgatorio is where you can see the supernatural beings where normal human beings could not. Here, you and those beings are invisible to the naked human eye.
 
Yush. In Bayonetta Purgatorio is a dimension out-of-phase with Earth. Time seems to move faster in Bayo's Purgatorio, too, from what I remember. Or...was that specifically a power of the witches when that happened? I remember there being plenty of moments when humans reacted like normal.

Or maybe I'm getting things a bit mixed up with Karas...
 
I just can't remember, because both Bayonetta and Karas had moments where people fought on falling debris because time was slow. Although I know that in Karas the spiritual realm perceived everything on Earth going in slow-motion at all times.

Bayonetta had witches who could slow time, so...were they using that time power?
 
Yeah, the thing is in the Divine Comedy, and by proxy Bayonetta's, nomenclature, Paradiso is Heaven, Inferno is Hell, and Purgatorio is some spot in-between overlaid with Earth.

Although, in the Divine Comedy, Purgatorio was sort of like the front door to Paradiso, similar to how Limbo was the front door to Inferno.
...Wait, wasn't Purgatorio a second book of divine comedy and actually third dimension, where all humans who can be redeemed were gathered to bear their punishment, before they can enter Paradise?[DOUBLEPOST=1401430837][/DOUBLEPOST]
Don't you mean Purgatorio? Like DMC/DmC, Bayonetta also have elements of The Divine Comedy.
Yeah, bingo that it is :)[DOUBLEPOST=1401430968][/DOUBLEPOST]
Yush. In Bayonetta Purgatorio is a dimension out-of-phase with Earth. Time seems to move faster in Bayo's Purgatorio, too, from what I remember. Or...was that specifically a power of the witches when that happened? I remember there being plenty of moments when humans reacted like normal.

Or maybe I'm getting things a bit mixed up with Karas...
There were few spots where you entered Paradiso, so time probably flows normal in Purgatorio, considering it exists just like Limbo, parallel with human world, but in Paradiso time flow is probably distorted.
 
...Wait, wasn't Purgatorio a second book of divine comedy and actually third dimension, where all humans who can be redeemed were gathered to bear their punishment, before they can enter Paradise?

Exactly, and in Bayonetta Purgatorio is the place where Bayo primarily fights enemies. I remember Rodin would go to Inferno to get weapons forged for you in Bayonetta, too. Paradiso...I can't remember if you go there >.<

As a sidenote, I loved the concept that in the Divine Comedy Inferno was a pit and Purgatory was a mountain, and that the pit and mountain were formed when Lucifer fell to earth. So, Hell was basically a really deep hole Lucifer made when he fell from Heaven all Loony Tunes-style, and the mountain of Purgatory is the resultant earth displaced by the pit's formation, protruding from the planet on the exact other side of the world from Hell :p Dante was damn creative, haha.
 
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