• Welcome to the Devil May Cry Community Forum!

    We're a group of fans who are passionate about the Devil May Cry series and video gaming.

    Register Log in

DMC 1 Mundus vs DmC Mundus

Who Would Win?

  • DMC 1 Mundus

    Votes: 28 77.8%
  • DmC Mundus

    Votes: 8 22.2%

  • Total voters
    36

Railazel

Well-known Member
Here's a good pairing that I think will be a nice discussion. The Original Mundus vs Reboot Mundus, the kings of the demon world and the demiurges of their universe, both having god- like power that only the chosen can defeat.

The Original Mundus is not unfamiliar to us in the DMC community. Emperor of the Underworld, he was born from darkness and quickly came to power to rule all of the demon realm before setting his sights one the Human World and being defeated by the hands of his underling, Sparda. Taking the physical form of an angelic statue, and having an avatar of three orbs representing his three eyes, his actual form is a mass of tentacles and three large eyeballs. If his appearance doesn't scare, then his powers sure will. He isn't the Emperor of all demons for nothing. His power is so great that he was able to manipulate the space around him and Dante when they fought, changing it from being outer space- like to taking place in a large lava pit. He is able to create artificial demons like Trish (he even told Dante that he can recreate his mother over and over again if he had wished. That's quite the burn considering he was the one that killed her.), shoot lasers in various forms, and create lava dragons. It should be safe to note that neither Sparda nor Dante have been able to kill him rather he is just sealed back in the Underworld.

Reboot Mundus is just as powerful but has a major weakness. The King of all demons, he and Sparda were "blood brothers" before Sparda betrayed him by breaking a serious taboo and married Eva (who was rebooted as an angel). Heartbroken, he hunted Sparda down until he found him and his family, killed Eva (by ripping her heart out, which seems to be his preferred method of killing), and imprisoned Sparda for all eternity. Not only is he the Demon Lord but he is basically in control of all humanity on Earth, using debt as a chain to keep politicians and world leaders quiet, unhealthy products to keep us docile, and world news media to keep watch, among other things like nightclubs as a form of soul corruption. But, like his Original counterpart, the fear should really be focused on his true power. As long as the Hell Gate remains open, Mundus is practically god, being able to manipulate the dimensions of Limbo so as to cause mass destruction and control everything around him as well as flying at high speeds and being able to slowly poison his enemies through touch. The problem is, once the Gate is closed, he loses his immortality, meaning it would take one good shot to kill him but, even so, he keeps most of his power so it won't be an easy win.

My personal opinion and vote goes to DMC 1 Mundus. While their abilities are very similar, DMC's Mundus can manipulate space so that Limbo doesn't become a factor which pretty much gets rid of DmC Mundus' major source of power.
 
Ok fine. DMC1 Mundus then.

And I think DmC Mundus' power came from a connection to hell, and not limbo. Therefore, DMC1 Mundus' control on reality doesn't really affect him, in this case.
 
DMC1 Mundus.

DmC Mundus isn't really as powerful as the game puts out. He was powerful for DmC's case because he controlled his own realm, so if he stood before old Mundus's casle, he could more then easily take him to Limbo, rip his statue body apart, and use the surroundings around him to transform into his own version of a demon giant.

But...its DMC1 Mundus, so by default, DMC1 Mundus wins. -_-
 
And I think DmC Mundus' power came from a connection to hell, and not limbo. Therefore, DMC1 Mundus' control on reality doesn't really affect him, in this case.

Actually, that's brings up a good question of where DmC Mundus' power come from. If it's just the Hell Gate then all of it should've been cut off when it was sealed by Vergil, so it would make more sense if it was majorly from Limbo (especially since it was suggested that it was only his immortality that was dependent on the Gate as he was able to create an outer shell for himself even after the Hell Gate was sealed).

DmC Mundus isn't really as powerful as the game puts out. He was powerful for DmC's case because he controlled his own realm, so if he stood before old Mundus's casle, he could more then easily take him to Limbo, rip his statue body apart, and use the surroundings around him to transform into his own version of a demon giant.

But...its DMC1 Mundus, so by default, DMC1 Mundus wins. -_-

Would it be nice to point out that Mundus' statue isn't a natural statue? It seems that Mundus has the ability to change it's shape and, besides that, he still has another form under that so... Taking it apart probably wouldn't help.
 
If they can only be killed by the chosen, then...wouldn't a battle between them be a draw :ermm:

And where'd you hear this "being able to slowly poison his enemies through touch" thing? Sounds interesting, but I've never heard that before :x
 
Actually, that's brings up a good question of where DmC Mundus' power come from. If it's just the Hell Gate then all of it should've been cut off when it was sealed by Vergil, so it would make more sense if it was majorly from Limbo (especially since it was suggested that it was only his immortality that was dependent on the Gate as he was able to create an outer shell for himself even after the Hell Gate was sealed).
His power is from the Hell Gate, and he gets power from human souls. The Vergil comic suggests that human souls are like an optional power booster for demons. That would explain why Mundus was drawing humans as well as buildings towards him to make that final monster form. Plus, he uses Limbo and Malice as a conduit to manioulate the world and stay in his human vessel. Once he was cut off from the Hell Gate, he was trapped in his human form, but not completely powerless as he was able to turn himself into that monster to defend his human vessel.

As for who would win...I'm not sure. Both of them are powerful in their own worlds. But, if they faced each other, I don't know who would come out on top.
 
Actually, that's brings up a good question of where DmC Mundus' power come from.


It comes from him being a demon king. The Hell Gate offered him immortality because he was simply projecting his soul from Hell, through the Hell Gate, and into Kyle Ryder (his vessel). Once Vergil closed the Hell Gate, his soul got shot into Kyle Ryder.

Put simply, Mundus' soul is what offered him so much power, and he gained immortality by keeping that soul in a different place, but tethered to his vessel. If his vessel was killed, the tether would break and he'd just get a new vessel. Vergil closed the Hell Gate, and pretty much pulled his soul out of Hell, where the tether pulled it inside Kyle Ryder, turning him into any other person, where if the body dies, the soul goes bye-bye.
 
His power is from the Hell Gate, and he gets power from human souls. The Vergil comic suggests that human souls are like an optional power booster for demons. That would explain why Mundus was drawing humans as well as buildings towards him to make that final monster form. Plus, he uses Limbo and Malice as a conduit to manioulate the world and stay in his human vessel. Once he was cut off from the Hell Gate, he was trapped in his human form, but not completely powerless as he was able to turn himself into that monster to defend his human vessel.

It comes from him being a demon king. The Hell Gate offered him immortality because he was simply projecting his soul from Hell, through the Hell Gate, and into Kyle Ryder (his vessel). Once Vergil closed the Hell Gate, his soul got shot into Kyle Ryder.

Put simply, Mundus' soul is what offered him so much power, and he gained immortality by keeping that soul in a different place, but tethered to his vessel. If his vessel was killed, the tether would break and he'd just get a new vessel. Vergil closed the Hell Gate, and pretty much pulled his soul out of Hell, where the tether pulled it inside Kyle Ryder, turning him into any other person, where if the body dies, the soul goes bye-bye.



These are some good explanations! Makes total sense of what happened.

And where'd you hear this "being able to slowly poison his enemies through touch" thing? Sounds interesting, but I've never heard that before :x


It was in the shot where Mundus stabs his fingers into Dante's chest. You can see dark markings spreading from his fingers. I'm assuming he's poisoning Dante in some way.

If they can only be killed by the chosen, then...wouldn't a battle between them be a draw :ermm:

I said that because, in DMC 1, Dante was predestined to defeat Mundus and, in DmC, Dante and Vergil were the only two who could kill Mundus because they were Nephilim.

Even more so, I used the term "defeat" because DMC 1 Mundus has never been killed.
 
Wouldn't call this a match really.

Seems pretty obvious to me at least going by what was shown that DMC1 Mundus would stomp DmC Mundus.
 
DmC's mundus maybe much better written and more of a believable villain but DMC 1 Mundus is just simply Imposing as a villain both figuratively&literally.

and his theme is AWESOME
 
It was in the shot where Mundus stabs his fingers into Dante's chest. You can see dark markings spreading from his fingers. I'm assuming he's poisoning Dante in some way.


Oooooooh. I figured that was just blood, since...well, he was ripping Dante's friggin' heart out >.<
 
It was in the shot where Mundus stabs his fingers into Dante's chest. You can see dark markings spreading from his fingers. I'm assuming he's poisoning Dante in some way.
If it's dark stuff, then could it be that Mundus is using Malice to poison Dante?
 
Oooooooh. I figured that was just blood, since...well, he was ripping Dante's friggin' heart out >_<


I don't think blood drips like that...

This is very plausible. He's just so ****ed he's dripping Malice.


Okay, that sounds hilarious! But, in seriousness, I always thought Malice was a part of Mundus in some semi- physical way. Maybe Mundus' blood is the same that the black liquid that Malice seems to drip at times.
 
Okay, that sounds hilarious! But, in seriousness, I always thought Malice was a part of Mundus in some semi- physical way. Maybe Mundus' blood is the same that the black liquid that Malice seems to drip at times.
Well, if Lilith can puke Malice, I see no reason as to why Mundus wouldn't have Malice inside him in some way.
 
I don't think blood drips like that...

It does when someone has his damn fingers in your blood pumper! At he was bent back over the edge of the roof, so gravity was probably helping the blood move around on his chest.

Also - blood drips however it effin' wants in a game where you can float in the air by gunfire alone :p

Okay, that sounds hilarious! But, in seriousness, I always thought Malice was a part of Mundus in some semi- physical way. Maybe Mundus' blood is the same that the black liquid that Malice seems to drip at times.


Malice is something the demons use, sorta like a catalyst for their power and stuff, but Kyle Ryder, along with Barbas and Lilith, all have good ol' red bloody-blood. I could see him using it though.
 
Pooooossibly? In my writing, Malice is what makes up all demons, but in the game we only know it as something they harness. The tougher enemies in the game seem to have different colored blood, like Witches have purple blood, as do Rages, but I'm thinking the lesser ilk like stygians, since are such rudimentary constructs that Limbo just creates them straight outta Malice, so that's why they bleed the black ink.

Malice is also the crystallized black stuff we see around Limbo, too. In it's most refined form, I believe it's the obsidian like the platforms we see in the Furnace of Souls.
 
Well, I based my decision on what the powers each demonstrated in their perspective games. C(classic) Mundus could distort space, lunge meteors, energy, power beams, needles, lightning, and fire and he can fly, he can withstand lava and summon fire dragons, he can erect a force field and create rifts to travel through different locations.

m(DmC) Mundus spews lava, slams his fists, shoots energy balls, and can cause earthquakes by releasing his power, power which is, as it's been pointed out already, dependent of the hell gate to him energized, something that C Mundus doesn't seem to have an issue with. There is also the fact that m Mudus was exterminated while C Mundus can only be sealed away but not destroyed forever.
 
Back
Top Bottom