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Another DmC review. this time it's from the Sun News

Slacri said:
What's wrong with that post? It doesn't have many immature insults and DMC1 did create it's own franchise, and it's hard to not see the similarities between GoW/Heavenly Sword.

Unless you're angry about them asking people not to buy the game? What's wrong with that? It's no worse than companies asking people to buy the game. And it's not as if they're putting a gun to your head to prevent you from buying it. It's still the reader's choice.

I know a GameStop employee that advises people against buying DmC actually and suggests DMC 3 or Bayonetta, but if they want it he doesn't stop them.
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But why should I have to be told to hate something just because this guy can't take change?

Why is it that he expects me to humor him just because he's mad?

I mean why is it now that if someone says "don't buy DmC, cause it sucks" it's normal, but if someone were to say "Don't by DMC3, it sucks" that's odd?

DmC has the gameplay, and a story.

But you know what? I'm just blowing hot air at this point, now that it's near its release date, so I'm just gonna stop here.
 
But why should I have to be told to hate something just because this guy can't take change?
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You say this as if people trying to persuade others to their opinions is a new thing. In the end it's still your choice, and I feel like strawmanning arguments against this game as "you just can't take change" isn't fair at all.
I mean why is it now that if someone says "don't buy DmC, cause it sucks" it's normal, but if someone were to say "Don't by DMC3, it sucks" that's odd?
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Because DMC3 is a good game, but regardless that's not even that odd. If someone said that I'd tell them why DMC3 didn't suck and buy the game if I wanted to. You're acting as if people are forcing you to do anything, they're not.
DmC has the gameplay, and a story.
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Very debatable.
 
Slacri said:
You say this as if people trying to persuade others to their opinions is a new thing. In the end it's still your choice, and I feel like strawmanning arguments against this game as "you just can't take change" isn't fair at all.

Because DMC3 is a good game, but regardless that's not even that odd. If someone said that I'd tell them why DMC3 didn't suck and buy the game if I wanted to. You're acting as if people are forcing you to do anything, they're not.

Very debatable.
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Well whatever. I'll just be the only one who understands what I'm talking about.:|

like I said, I'm done.
 
That review was 4.5 out of..... 5 :P I read it yesterday. I had a copy of the paper I didnt see the online one my bad
 
Slacri said:
What's wrong with that post? It doesn't have many immature insults and DMC1 did create it's own franchise, and it's hard to not see the similarities between GoW/Heavenly Sword.
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No it's not. Shhhhh.
(The same combo in both games with slight changes)
People like who know nothing of the combat aren't allowed to talk about mechanics. It's just as foolish(ness) and ignorant as me talking about the mechanics of a game like BlazBlue or Arcana Hearts(Fighting games I don't play) and then saying why they suck/draw comparisons from other games..

LordOfDarkness said:
Oh cool, The Sun did a review on DmC! I wonder if Dante has his tits out?...
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Kat gets them out on 'level' 3.
 
8BitHero said:
No it's not. Shhhhh.
(The same combo in both games with slight changes)
People like who know nothing of the combat aren't allowed to talk about mechanics. It's just as foolish(ness) and ignorant as me talking about the mechanics of a game like BlazBlue or Arcana Hearts(Fighting games I don't play) and then saying why they suck/draw comparisons from other games..


Kat gets them out on 'level' 3.
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Thanks for providing a video that supports me I guess. The DMC4 video looks far more fluid and fast-pacted than the DmC one does, partially because DmC has such long animations to compensate for it's lower framerate. But how does this video even prove anything for you? It's one combo with similar moves.
If you're talking about the Heavenly Sword comparisons, the stance system is ripped straight from Heavenly Sword.

Tell me when someone can do something like this in DmC.

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Slacri said:
Thanks for providing a video that supports me I guess. The DMC4 video looks far more fluid and fast-pacted than the DmC one does, partially because DmC has such long animations to compensate for it's lower framerate. But how does this video even prove anything for you? It's one combo with similar moves. Tell me when someone can do something like this in DmC.


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I never said it was proving anything. It was a comparison showing the difference in speed and therefore, not saying if it's good or bad. So no, I'm not agreeing (or disagreeing) with on you anything. I've already stated the DmC is a different gameplay system to DMC4. Why don't we compare SF3 to SF4 then?
SF 4 is slower, Ryu has different moves(no Mule Kick which I love), a slower Combat system, different graphics and a different engine. But is that bad? No.
 
8BitHero said:
I never said it was proving anything. It was a comparison showing the difference in speed and therefore, not saying if it's good or bad. So no, I'm not agreeing (or disagreeing) with on you anything. I've already stated the DmC is a different gameplay system to DMC4. Why don't we compare SF3 to SF4 then?
SF 4 is slower, Ryu has different moves(no Mule Kick which I love), a slower Combat system, different graphics and a different engine. But is that bad? No.
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Why are we comparing a hack and slash action game to a fighting game now? We're talking about DMC here, and you're bringing up games that aren't even in the same genre. What matters is DMC, and in DmC it is a bad thing because the gameplay feels slow and clunky.
 
Slacri said:
Why are we comparing a hack and slash action game to a fighting game now? We're talking about DMC here, and you're bringing up games that aren't even in the same genre. What matters is DMC, and in DmC it is a bad thing because the gameplay feels slow and clunky.
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That's not my point, it's that a game series that had such a refined mechanic system THEN had a huge overhaul with SF4. It had the same "problems" that DmC has.
SF4 has Slower than the previous, a different combo system than the previous, a different story than the previous, a different level of execution than the previous and with the rest of my points. See the comparison?
Replace SF with DMC
DmC has Slower than the previous, a different combo system than the previous, a different story than the previous, a different level of execution than the previous and with the rest of my points. But(!) it still caters to the original series. DmC having slightly (2 seconds by my video) slower combat doesn't make it bad. What I'm NOT saying is that I'm in full support of it, even though I see the potential in this game I still think styles SHOULD have been in the game in some form. Angel and Demon weapons are great but styles is a staple of the series. DmC is the only game I know where a different mechanic system has been apparently bad. SF4 and Gears 2 were slower than the previous games BUT were still executed well. DmC is the same....
 
8BitHero said:
That's not my point, it's that a game series that had such a refined mechanic system THEN had a huge overhaul with SF4. It had the same "problems" that DmC has.
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The issue isn't that it was a change. The issue is that it was a degradation.
SF4 has Slower than the previous, a different combo system than the previous, a different story than the previous, a different level of execution than the previous and with the rest of my points. See the comparison?
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Yes, but we're comparing apples to oranges here. All you're saying is that things changed. But the problem with DmC again isn't that it's just different, it's that it's worse. I still don't know why we can't just talk about DmC without having to make some loose analogy to Street Fighter.
Replace SF with DMC
DmC has Slower than the previous, a different combo system than the previous, a different story than the previous, a different level of execution than the previous and with the rest of my points. But(!) it still caters to the original series.
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Again, the issue is that the game has suffered because of the changes, it hasn't improved.
DmC having slightly (2 seconds by my video) slower combat doesn't make it bad.
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But it does. I don't know about Street Fighter, but in the case of DMC it's certainly not an improvement. DMC is a fast-paced hack and slash game where the combat being fluid and quick is important. If you lose the quick and fluid pacing of the combat than the game suffers. I don't see how it improves at all from being slower.
DmC is the only game I know where a different mechanic system has been apparently bad. SF4 and Gears 2 were slower than the previous games BUT were still executed well. DmC is the same....
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Again, the issue isn't simply that it's different. But to elaborate a bit while I don't know about Street Fighter 3/4, Gears 1 and 2 changes were not nearly as drastic as DMC to DmC. I have a feeling the same is true for Street Fighter 3 and 4. So comparing the three series really doesn't do much. You're comparing apples to oranges here.
 
8BitHero said:
That's not my point, it's that a game series that had such a refined mechanic system THEN had a huge overhaul with SF4. It had the same "problems" that DmC has.
SF4 has Slower than the previous, a different combo system than the previous, a different story than the previous, a different level of execution than the previous and with the rest of my points. See the comparison?
Replace SF with DMC
DmC has Slower than the previous, a different combo system than the previous, a different story than the previous, a different level of execution than the previous and with the rest of my points. But(!) it still caters to the original series. DmC having slightly (2 seconds by my video) slower combat doesn't make it bad. What I'm NOT saying is that I'm in full support of it, even though I see the potential in this game I still think styles SHOULD have been in the game in some form. Angel and Demon weapons are great but styles is a staple of the series. DmC is the only game I know where a different mechanic system has been apparently bad. SF4 and Gears 2 were slower than the previous games BUT were still executed well. DmC is the same....
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Well basically with SSF4 story they were like "time lines don't matter" because Ibuki would be like what 10-12? I'd agree that the game needs more variety, especially with guns (which would come with the styles). It seems like guns took an afterthought in this game which is unfortunate, but given the current control setup I don't see how they could have added more for them. They could maybe have made down on the direction pad access a royal guard like stance or a gunslinger like stance...

I'd still prefer SFA3 or SF3 over SF4. I feel that combo system was pretty boring in SF4 and the scaling is awful. Though if they didn't have such bad scaling people could do FADC combos for like 70 percent damage,but still they continued this awful damage scaling for SFxTk where you want crazy combos that do 70 percent damage (and theres no FADC in that..). Only difference is SFxTK scales on moves and SF4 scales on hits (so if you have a move that does three hits they all scale the same). blah blah blah..
 
Slacri said:
The issue isn't that it was a change. The issue is that it was a degradation.
I agree in that it was a slight step back with the styles BUT(!) there is still potential with this game as those on YouTube have showing. We have indepth mechanics like JCing, buffering and Gun Cancels(For this game). It still has depth! Not as much as DMC4 BUT it's still there if you bother to learn it.

Yes, but we're comparing apples to oranges here. All you're saying is that things changed. But the problem with DmC again isn't that it's just different, it's that it's worse. I still don't know why we can't just talk about DmC without having to make some loose analogy to Street Fighter.
It's not a loose analogy. It's completely spot on. If you won't look at DMC4 to DmC then maybe I should show you other games that have gone through the same phase. See? Every time I talk about DmC still being relevant to the series it's generally shrugged off with, "it sucks" or something along those line,s but by comparing it o other games with a strong depth the gameplay then you might see my point and why DmC really isn't as bad as you think/say it is.

Again, the issue is that the game has suffered because of the changes, it hasn't improved.
Just missing styles really...

But it does. I don't know about Street Fighter, but in the case of DMC it's certainly not an improvement. DMC is a fast-paced hack and slash game where the combat being fluid and quick is important. If you lose the quick and fluid pacing of the combat than the game suffers. I don't see how it improves at all from being slower.
But this is a new system that takes time to learn. You cannot pick up a DMC game and come to the conclusion about it. It takes time to learn these games VERY similar to learning LoL or Street Fighter. What might look like slow paced combat really isn't. It's not slower either. The game speed of DMC4 is fast due to a various amount of factors such as how the game was designs. Mainly with how Dante attacks with recovery, start-up frames, cancels and everything else, BUT that's because it suited that games engine. DmC MAY BE slower but, it suits how the game plays. You seem to think that because the game is slower that it's bad but I've already proven that this game has a lot to learn and to be stylish with. IT being slower does not make it better. The same way a faster game doesn't make it better. There is no relation.

Again, the issue isn't simply that it's different. But to elaborate a bit while I don't know about Street Fighter 3/4, Gears 1 and 2 changes were not nearly as drastic as DMC to DmC. I have a feeling the same is true for Street Fighter 3 and 4. So comparing the three series really doesn't do much. You're comparing apples to oranges here.
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So what you're saying is, you have no idea about Street Fighter yet can come to the conclusion that both games don't fall under the same category as the changes being made from DMC4 to DmC. That you don't actually ave to play those games to know you're right? How....seriously? How? As someone who plays All 3 the changes between SF3 to SF4 and Gears 1 to Gears 2 was DEFINITELY a noticeable change in gameplay mechanics AND in the way the game looks.


Dominus said:
Well basically with SSF4 story they were like "time lines don't matter" because Ibuki would be like what 10-12? I'd agree that the game needs more variety, especially with guns (which would come with the styles). It seems like guns took an afterthought in this game which is unfortunate, but given the current control setup I don't see how they could have added more for them. They could maybe have made down on the direction pad access a royal guard like stance or a gunslinger like stance...
Y'know you can change the layout right? I have shoot on RT/R2. Exactly the same I had on DMC4.

I'd still prefer SFA3 or SF3 over SF4. I feel that combo system was pretty boring in SF4 and the scaling is awful. Though if they didn't have such bad scaling people could do FADC combos for like 70 percent damage,but still they continued this awful damage scaling for SFxTk where you want crazy combos that do 70 percent damage (and theres no FADC in that..). Only difference is SFxTK scales on moves and SF4 scales on hits (so if you have a move that does three hits they all scale the same). blah blah blah..
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But you understand my point then right? You prefer Alpha 3 and didn't like SF4 BUT, you're not saying that SF4 was bad. That it still had it's learning curve, the execution AND the mechanics to be very much indepth right? THIS is my point.
 
8BitHero said:
So what you're saying is, you have no idea about Street Fighter yet can come to the conclusion that both games don't fall under the same category as the changes being made from DMC4 to DmC. That you don't actually ave to play those games to know you're right? How....seriously? How? As someone who plays All 3 the changes between SF3 to SF4 and Gears 1 to Gears 2 was DEFINITELY a noticeable change in gameplay mechanics AND in the way the game looks.
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Because for one, they're fighting games, and in a completely different genre. I haven't played SF 3 or 4, but I have played fighting games and realize that they're a different genre. And I made a point to say I don't think, based on the videos you've shown me. It was a vague guess and if you had any reading comprehension I thought you would pick up on it. I have however played Gears 1 and 2 and the changes aren't nearly as different as DMC to DmC. There's changes, but don't even pretend they're as drastic as DmC's changes.

Again, we're talking about DmC here. Stop trying to redirect the discussion to other games. As a side note, I have no clue why you made the decision to put your text in all bold. Your point wasn't changed by it.

You also completely evaded my points on how the combat changed for the worse.
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
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