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Meg

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...but some are more equal than others.

That seems to be the climate on the forum lately. There's been a lot of talk about differing opinions. People are getting their opinions shot down, whenever they post something they know people won't like they have to post something in the WAYT thread (you know what I'm talking about), and there's all this talk about some people's opinions being "justified" and others not being "justified." Every single person's opinion is fully justified. It is not a "mere opinion" or incorrect because you disagree with it. Every single person's opinion is important and should be respected.

Respect is key here. Both sides talk about feeling like they are not a loud to have an opinion and whenever they try to speak up they get shot down. People say "oh you shouldn't dislike DmC after one trailer." Here's the thing. The people who like it like it based on one trailer and the people who dislike are basing their opinion on one trailer. Its the same argument on both sides. Basically, we're all in the same boat, just on opposite sides of the boat.

Oh yeah. I went there.

What I'm getting at is that everyone has every right to feel the way they do about DmC whether they like it, hate it, or don't care. Now, that doesn't mean just because you have the right to feel the way you do that you can go around yelling, kicking, and screaming about it. That's trolling and speaking of trolling. Let's face it, the people who are doing the majority of the opinion debunking (though not ALL of it mind you) are trolls that sign up, make one post, and then leave. That's what makes it so important that we, the regulars, stand together and respect each other's opinions and ignore the trolls.

That doesn't mean we can't discuss our opinions. Discussing is what forums are all about. Its just when people do what I've said earlier in this post that it because a problem. So I'm asking everyone here, no I'm demanding, that we as a community respect everyone's opinions and ignore the trolls. We all talk about how close we are here. Now's the time to prove it.
 
meg , cool article.

On a unrelated note, I am also super excited for infamous 2 and hopefully by the time it comes out, i will have gotten a job and fulfilled my deal with my mom to let me buy a ps3 so i can play this bloody game.

On a actual related note, I hope that people don't use your article as a excuse to make an opinion and not to defend it or explain because their is no point to a one-note opinion since their is nothing to gain or learn from as they are easy to disprove.

For example, If i ask if smallville s a good show and person A tells me its not but doesn't explain to me why then its not a good opinion because i can easily find someone to tell me why its a good show.

On a another unrelated note, Meg, how excited are you for ff13-2
 
Z218 said:
On a another unrelated note, Meg, how excited are you for ff13-2
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You don't want to ask her that. Trust me, I know from experience not to talk about that.

Related to the OP, I'm glad someone finally got the point across. I really wish it didn't have to happen, but I suppose it would happen eventually.
 
Woot I agree the only time where an opinion is invalidated and wrong is when it is called fact by the person that said it no it's what you think not what is but everyones opinion is there own and like Meg said you have to respect that.
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Meg, you are a great person and i agree with you whole heartedly...but this is the internet, where this kind of thing typically happens everyday.

I've also found out its a playground for faceless bullies. (that has become pretty apparent in the past 24 hours.)

I agree, respect is very important, but when someone shows you comtempt, what are you supposed to do?
 
Storm Silves said:
You don't want to ask her that. Trust me, I know from experience not to talk about that.
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Way to make me sound like a b*tch.

Vergil'sBitch said:
Meg, you are a great person and i agree with you whole heartedly...but this is the internet, where this kind of thing typically happens everyday.

I've also found out its a playground for faceless bullies. (that has become pretty apparent in the past 24 hours.)

I agree, respect is very important, but when someone shows you comtempt, what are you supposed to do?
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I know, that's why I said its important that we, the super cool regulars of the forum, stick together and ignore the faceless bullies as you described.
 
I agree with what you said Meg, and I'm glad that someone stepped up and said that. I'd like to go a little bit further into why people are having these problems with Devil May Cry. I have done this before, but I'd like to make some new points clear.

Okay, so to begin, I've said many times that it isn't the end of the World. So we don't have to worry about that. But people are coming here to voice their opinions because it is a Devil May Cry Forum. I personally think it's a little immature to join a Forum just to make a single comment of dislike about the new game, but I guess it spreads a 'I don't like it' attitude around the Internet in a hope that something gets 'done' about it. And we've all had those thoughts of taking our own piece of mind to places and just unleashing them to leave thereafter. We can't exactly blame these people for doing things like that. What is worse is telling people they are wrong about something. Nobody is wrong about anything, unless it is pretty obvious they are. So when people say that the Reboot is rubbish, it is rubbish to them. But when they say it isn't, it isn't to them. It's all about personal opinion and preference. Some will prefer the old, some will prefer the new. Some people may start playing DmC without having had an interest in Devil May Cry at all in the past. There's many ways in which people can view the Devil May Cry Franchise, because we all have the right to go about doing it in the way that we so wish. Without people telling other people that they are wrong about it. It's a matter of having the freedom to voice your opinion. It's those who take that freedom and cram it onto other people to change what they think or feel. That's when everything goes wrong. Nobody should be thinking that DmC is bad and trying to make other people agree to that, or vice versa. Lets all just have our opinions and voice them once. When that is said, then there is nothing further to add. We're all just regurgitating the same old points because we have so little to go on so far. Until anything new comes up, we're all running around in circles. People telling other people not to troll about DmC, and then we all say sorry. We give it a couple of days and then we all do it again because there is nothing new to see or talk about. Lets just learn the lesson already. There is no need for any arguing as such. There's no need for much debating either. We have so little information to discuss or go by at this moment in time, that the thing to me seems pretty irrelevant to talk about.

What do we see wrong with DmC? The changes involved with it. That's where the problem lies I feel. This is where people are disliking it. Because it's not the same as they knew before. When people don't understand how they are going to think or feel about something then they natural start to have some sort of worry or concern towards it. In most cases, change breeds uncertainty and fear. And what people are afraid of perhaps liking, they will act like they dislike. After they become more aware of something and begin to understand it, they come to fear it less and start to like it more. So I feel change brings about a lot of uncertainty in people. If someone changes how they look, they will wonder what the World will think of the change. DMC undergoing a makeover isn't the end of the World, but it's a change that some people aren't liking the look of.

The storyline. We've been involved with Dante for several years now. We've seen him battle his brother, gain friendships, defeat the ruler of the Underworld and undergo other deadly adventures. People are scared that it was all for nothing. That DmC brings about the end of the story that we have come to know in Devil May Cry. Until they understand more about what's going on in it. If its set before Devil May Cry 3. If it's the same storyline with certain things changed, then they are going to dislike it because they don't know what it's about. We don't like other people until we know them. We may know we think they're okay, but we're not all going to randomly approach each other like we're all best friends. It's about coming to terms with things and getting to understand things a little better. That's just one reason people may not like DmC.

Now we come to looks. The Media portrays guys as incredible muscular masculine hunks, and women as big chested models. We only have to observe Devil May Cry in all its glory to justify that, take a look at Dante and Trish and Lady. They're meant to look 'good'. I don't think guys playing DMC are going to care about how Dante looks in a sexual way. But if they think he looks uglier than them, they're probably going to beat on him a little bit. And lets look at one of Dante's characteristics. He's plainly a cocky womaniser, who doesn't exactly care much for most things. He'll care, but he'll cover it under a mask. A guy without good looks wouldn't be rolling with good looking women you would think, and therefore it also changes Dante's character. Now he's a rebellious teenager 'without' good looks and without his sexual charm (Observe Devil May Cry 4 where he catches a rose in his mouth) Would we see Dante do that in DmC? I would doubt it very much, but I could be wrong. So there's another area as to why people don't like the direction Devil May Cry has taken. Because the characters look and act different.

All the key things that made Devil May Cry a good game may of been changed, or they may just appear changed. They may be the same as we knew them before, it just has a different look. Whether it's the case that these reasons are why people aren't liking it, we don't need to be told what we already know. If you don't like it, fair enough. Let the World know, but let it know once. Otherwise you're just a small fish crying out for attention in a big ocean, and voicing your opinion a million times won't make the slightest bit of difference. Embrace the change if there is one, or simply don't. It's everyone's call. But lets all agree that we have the right to our own unique separate opinion, which after saying we should then keep to ourselves until we know more about what's going on.
 
I never understood how the Internet is a excuse to be bullies and say mean and curse people out. That just seems like bad behavior, anyway great thread Meg, the forums feel like a big family and that's what makes this forum rule. ^_^ It's amazing how one game brings such divisions huh? REP for Meg. ^_^
 
Great articles everyone
i think it would be interesting any of the new DmC fans who came on after DmC comes out will be interested in the old DMC series and would want to go check out the old games
Because that happened to me with DMC3
 
What I think we need is a forum for people who don't like DmC, and people who do. Then there'd be no more of this kind of thing. Most people don't seem to be emotionally or intellectually equipped to disagree with someone without using the word "fag" or pretending they're in charge of the internet, one way or the other.
 
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What I think we need is a forum for people who don't like DmC, and people who do. Then there'd be no more of this kind of thing. Most people don't seem to be emotionally or intellectually equipped to disagree with someone without using the word "fag" or pretending they're in charge of the internet, one way or the other.
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Then people will just be preaching to the choir and never learn how to accept other people's opinions.
 
I prefer to think of it as talking to like-minded people, rather than preaching to the choir. People come to forums like these to find people they share an interest with. This new game has split the audience, some don't even view it as DMC. If people really wanted to read an opposing view, they could check it out, and moderators could be on the case and boot anybody causing trouble in either section, since they'd have their own section to talk in.

In addition, I think it's unrealistic to hope that significant numbers of people will ever learn how to accept other people's opinions - especially on the internet, and especially on a gaming forum. I think there are more practical solutions, even if it would be nicer, and on the face of it easier, if people could just get a grip and get this thing in perspective. I just don't think many people have it in them - most people are pretty immature and say whatever comes to their mind on the internet.

Lastly, I get tired of the bickering, and I actually don't care to read opposing opinions on this matter, it just frustrates me! I'd rather not put everyone on ignore who disagrees with me, so I tend not to say much and stay out of it. If there were a section where everyone could just agree, it'd be more comfortable
 
As one of my professors says, "Only talking to like-minded people is the most boring thing you can do."

All that would do is feed people's egos into thinking they are the side that is correct and it would add to the problem, not solve it. Isolating people's opinions is never the answer. I'm not asking for the entire internet to be respectful of one another because goodness knows that will never happen. What I'm saying is that on this forum everyone talks about how close we all are and how well we get along yet we don't respect other's opinions. This thread was designed to make people realize how important it is that we, as in the regulars of the site, respect one another and ignore the trolls that come by.

Also, no one is forcing you to read other people's posts. If it frustrates you that much then just don't read it. The forum, as well as the internet as a whole, is not going to segregate itself so you don't have to deal with other people's opinions.

I think this thread explains where I'm coming from pretty well;
http://forums.devilmaycry.org/threads/let-it-out-people.8233/
 
I meant opposing opinions on DmC - that's what gets me down, and as I said, I stay out of it and don't read it for the most part. Not differing opinions on how to get along, I'm happy to read those! I agree that it would be a good thing, but even on just this forum, I don't see it happening. I think there would be more promising results aiming a little lower, and accepting that people are on the whole, not very good
 
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I meant opposing opinions on DmC - that's what gets me down, and as I said, I stay out of it and don't read it for the most part. Not differing opinions on how to get along, I'm happy to read those! I agree that it would be a good thing, but even on just this forum, I don't see it happening. I think there would be more promising results aiming a little lower, and accepting that people are on the whole, not very good.
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Ah, see I think very highly of people and so I can see it happening.
 
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