imagine if vegeta had gone ssj against frieza , that would be an epic what if story line
As would goku and gohan doing the potaro fusion against super buu
As would goku and gohan doing the potaro fusion against super buu
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Would not have mattered much, even if frieza somehow managed to survive the Trunks encounter Goku made it clear that he was going to use instant transmission before he sensed Trunks there, so either way Frieza would have been doomed.
But I do agree about the killing goku first thing, it would have a deep impact on things and would make a great "what if" storyline.
True but with vegeta becoming immortal he would train like hell, by the time cell came around he would probably be ssj2 himself, he could get bulmas father to up the gravity training to huge heights.
It would change everything, i however think he started softening in the frieza saga so i feel trunks would still have been conceived. The only difference is future trunks would meet them later to warn em of the androids, as vegeta would have obliterated frieza on namek.
It would change everything, i however think he started softening in the frieza saga so i feel trunks would still have been conceived. The only difference is future trunks would meet them later to warn em of the androids, as vegeta would have obliterated frieza on namek.
true but goku was still healing when frieza fought vegeta, i sayingthat vegeta went ssj and beatfrirza before goku arrives. Piccolo was still alive then. Goku krillin and gohan would be too. All that would change is that vegeta could go ssj , and goku oukd only have the 20x kaoiken.
Goku may then train in the time chamber to go ssj in fear of vegeta causing havoc. With goku and vegeta being ssj by the time they meet trunks, they could train together and in turn be more powerful than the androids. A lot could change from vegeta goin ssj on namek.
Goku may then train in the time chamber to go ssj in fear of vegeta causing havoc. With goku and vegeta being ssj by the time they meet trunks, they could train together and in turn be more powerful than the androids. A lot could change from vegeta goin ssj on namek.
considering vegeta was staying at capsule corp after.namek he still might have got it on with bulma. Plus gohan survived in future trunks timeline.What is to stop bulma using the time machine to send future gohan back in time?.
Plus cell only showed up in trunks time and went back with him , so the earth would only have the androids to deal with for years if no trunks o gohan showed up. Goku would die yes , but i believe vegeta would be around and he would fight the androids. They would beat him and hr would recover and train taking the upperhand. Piccolo would take him to the time chamber knowing he was there best chance. Then piccolo would fuse again with kami.
Plus cell only showed up in trunks time and went back with him , so the earth would only have the androids to deal with for years if no trunks o gohan showed up. Goku would die yes , but i believe vegeta would be around and he would fight the androids. They would beat him and hr would recover and train taking the upperhand. Piccolo would take him to the time chamber knowing he was there best chance. Then piccolo would fuse again with kami.
I still think vegeta would go to earth all the same. He would have nowhere else to go and he likes to throw his weight around. On top of that he had already met bulma on namek and he saved gohan so he was warming to them.
Future gohan could come back and give goku the antidote then. By warning of the androids goku would train and go ssj , and vegeta would train to stay ahead and be stronger. With vegeta being stronger from training he would destroy android 18. So no perfect cell , then vegeta could take down android 17 too and cell would be of no concern.
With goku not sacrificing himself for earth , him and vegeta could train over the 7 years up to the cell games. However there may be no ssj3 and there would be no fusions.
With goku not sacrificing himself for earth , him and vegeta could train over the 7 years up to the cell games. However there may be no ssj3 and there would be no fusions.
You know i was wondering.. why the bloody hell is future gohan so goddamn weak? he goes SSJ2 as a child yet he can't even go ascended super saiyan in the future... this is really a damn plothole.
i suppose because he never got to train in the time chamber with goku in that timeline. He also didn't meet cell as a preteen/teen so he had no reason to go ssj2.
gohan survived by hiding and again cell only showed up because he came back in the time capsule. If there is no trunks to come back , there is no cell so they only have to fight the androids. Piccolo fusing with kami would give them a win if they fought together.
Well yeah but he had so much time to train.. Teen gohan only had like a year to train future gohan had years to train surely he could at least achieve ascended saiyan by then don't you think?
Depends on his freedom to train, the androids were always around remember , and he was alone so he had nobody to teach him or tell him about the time chamber.
he had trunks and plus he had all the motivation to push himself further... it makes no sense why a kid version of him can get SSj2 by just 1 years of training but he can't do that in years of training and fighting with androids.
Trunks wasn't a ssj , teen gohan had a ssj goku to train with in the time chamber. The time chamber has higher gravity and terrain changes. Plus you can't grow much in strength when you are sparring with someone weaker than you.
But gohan had YEARS to train and plus also had the same "hidden potential" and fighting for his life against the androids for years should've made him stronger at least strong enough to beat 17&18..
True but with everyone but trunks dead , he had nothing to push him over the edge to bring out his hidden potential. Plus goku vegeta and future trunks went into the time chamber with the purpose of surpassing ssj. Gohan from what i saw only fought the androids to stop them causing havoc, he would need the intensity of the time chamber to go assj.
Not really , if trunks didn't interfere with the timeline the abdroids would not be as strong. This means a fusion of piccolo and kami would be stronger than them. Trunks himself said they were only a little stronger. Somehow the prospect of a good challenge would get vegeta to earth. He could only travel in a capsule corp ship , so they could communicate. So with piccolo and vegeta , or just piccolo the androids are destroyed. Which means no semi perfect or perfect cell. As he won't show up for years afterwards hence not coming back with trunks, they have that time to train which is all they do really.
but what about all the humans who were dying and gohan being unable to protect them?? if one lifeless android dying can make him go SSJ2 then i think watching people dying everywhere should at least tick him off... all in all this just seems like toriyama just doesn't think things through.
Not really IIRC only the gravity chamber was intensive they only used the time chamber to get more time to simply just "Train" without worries.
Friezas ship was wrecked on namek , secondly cell was still growing in the present that is why he came to the present from the future fully grown. If he had no way back then they would only have androids a little bit stronger than a ssj to contend with.It would be years before cell was ready.