(Despite the show intro, this IS a serious thread, though I don't mind some light hearted jokes, as long as we keep the thread on topic)
Mrrandomlulz here broadcasting to you live from Limbo City/Fortuna/Capulet City/ Mallet Island/wherever the hell DMC2 took place, with my new show! DMC vs DmC ACTUAL LOGICAL DEBATES! Instead of debating stupid things like 'ERMAHGERD, HARE!', or 'ERMAHGERD TAMEHM VIRSUS KAMEEYEAH', or 'ERMAHGERD WHY DIDNT Meg FINISH THAT Dragonmaster2010-Mrrandomlulz ROMANTIC BUDDY-COP FIC THAT GUEST STARRED A WALRUS!' (Seriously, Meg, I Loopy was hyped for that because the Walrus blows up the Death Star with it's laser-shooting rainbow pinwheel because Dragonmaster and I are so hot)
We will be actually looking in depth at the scenes and gameplay of certain topics in both games reading in-between the lines, having a quality debate, and boycotting Nickelback. AND THE AUDIENCE GETS TO PARTICIPATE by replying to the thread.
In today's episode, we will be discussing the fall of Vergil, a scene that happened in both games that both executed pretty well. But which does it better?
First, let me just say, even though my earlier critiques of Vergil's death in DmC are pretty harsh, my opinion of the scene has slowly grown positive as time has passed.
First of all, Vergil's role in the scene in each game:
I have to admit, before I got VD, Vergil's role in the finale of DmC seemed pretty bland and cliché to me. It wasn't until after I played VD that I realized the role in the scene wasn't just " I will rule the world as it is my rightful place!" But more like, "I am destined to be a guardian, an enforcer and if you can't see that, you are a threat to peace.". All in all, Vergil's role in the scene is a set-up for VD, and it's one hell of a set up at that.
If you don't have VD, it's kind of a disappointment.
Overall, 4.5 of 5
Now for DMC3, you don't need DLC to feel the emotional grasp of Vergil's role in the scene. Vergil's role in the final battle of DMC3 (to me, and probably a lot of other people who like to make mountains out of mole hills by reading in between the lines.)
Dante had just been through hell, had just saved the world, and was ready to finish his brother off. But in their battle with Arkham, traces of the brother that Dante once loved appeared, leading Dante to not be able to do it. So Vergil's role in the finale of DMC3 is more or less psychological torture for Dante. And in DMC3, Vergil did himself in by purposefully jumping into the demon land. Thus adding to the emotional pain for Dante.
Vergil even shows that he somewhat cares for his brother at the VERY END by warning Dante.
It's all played out very subtly, TOO SUBTLY in fact.
The flaw with this one is that you have to read in between the lines
So again 4.5
Dante's role in the scene in both games:
I would put Dante's different role in both DMC3 and DmC in the category of their respective games, but there is no point as the role is exactly the same. In both games,
the role of Dante in the scene is flip side to the role of DMC3 Vergil. He is in the middle of an emotional struggle due to having to battle his own brother, saving lethality as a last resort, both of the games execute this EXTREMELY well, and as much as I hate to admit it, DmC did it as good as DMC3, so they get the same rating of 4.7 of 5. 0.3 points deducted because both scenes should've been longer to let the emotion on Dante's part sink in to the player
Dante's final resort in DMC3:
There's a few seconds that make DMC3 take the cake for me.
Of course I'm talking about how even after landing the almost-finishing blow on Vergil, Dante is STILL trying to save him.
However, despite my personal love of this version of Vergil's death, due to DmC Dante's more brutal, do-what-you-have-to nature.
It does not give DMC3's ending an edge over DmC's
DmC:
In DmC, Dante's way of dealing with Vergil was more of a 'You leave me no choice' moment, it was designed to be a version that fit the rebooted character's personality. After constant offers made to make peace with Vergil, Dante realized his brother was too arrogant to accept defeat, and unlike the 'Sesshōmaru with ten times more badassery'
Vergil from DMC3 who already was a cruel killer with a possible redemption arc. Vergil of DmC hadn't really had his time to shine as the sadistic killer that the DMC3 version was. So as said before, they killed him and put him in hell so that we could see him on the path to having his DMC3 counterpart's personality.
Now we get to the role where I have only ONE positive thing to say for the DmC version. The deuteragonist's role post-Vergil death.
Lady's role in the post-Vergil death scene:
The thing I loved about Lady's role in the Vergil death scene compared to ms.Marysuewho'sactressmakesitwork, is that Lady's role actually MAKES sense in the scene, she had just finished crying over the death of a corrupted ex-loved one. She knows where Dante is coming from. And instead of just one line, she had actual DIALOGUE with Dante. She showed sympathy, and then reminded him that he can prevent it from happening to other families, that his purpose is to stop the tyranny of the demons.
Again, you have to read in between the lines, but not too much this time.
4.8 of 5
Kat's Role post-Vergil Death Scene:
It sucked because Kat is a lame mary-sue Damsel in Distress, but Sage Mears is both a good actress and a hot actress
3 of 5
In conclusion.
As said above, both games handled this very well, but I have to say, DMC3 takes the cake by just a smidge. Of course I can't leave without saying the following about the DmC Vergil Death sceneView attachment 929
Mrrandomlulz here broadcasting to you live from Limbo City/Fortuna/Capulet City/ Mallet Island/wherever the hell DMC2 took place, with my new show! DMC vs DmC ACTUAL LOGICAL DEBATES! Instead of debating stupid things like 'ERMAHGERD, HARE!', or 'ERMAHGERD TAMEHM VIRSUS KAMEEYEAH', or 'ERMAHGERD WHY DIDNT Meg FINISH THAT Dragonmaster2010-Mrrandomlulz ROMANTIC BUDDY-COP FIC THAT GUEST STARRED A WALRUS!' (Seriously, Meg,
We will be actually looking in depth at the scenes and gameplay of certain topics in both games reading in-between the lines, having a quality debate, and boycotting Nickelback. AND THE AUDIENCE GETS TO PARTICIPATE by replying to the thread.
In today's episode, we will be discussing the fall of Vergil, a scene that happened in both games that both executed pretty well. But which does it better?
First, let me just say, even though my earlier critiques of Vergil's death in DmC are pretty harsh, my opinion of the scene has slowly grown positive as time has passed.
First of all, Vergil's role in the scene in each game:
I have to admit, before I got VD, Vergil's role in the finale of DmC seemed pretty bland and cliché to me. It wasn't until after I played VD that I realized the role in the scene wasn't just " I will rule the world as it is my rightful place!" But more like, "I am destined to be a guardian, an enforcer and if you can't see that, you are a threat to peace.". All in all, Vergil's role in the scene is a set-up for VD, and it's one hell of a set up at that.
If you don't have VD, it's kind of a disappointment.
Overall, 4.5 of 5
Now for DMC3, you don't need DLC to feel the emotional grasp of Vergil's role in the scene. Vergil's role in the final battle of DMC3 (to me, and probably a lot of other people who like to make mountains out of mole hills by reading in between the lines.)
Dante had just been through hell, had just saved the world, and was ready to finish his brother off. But in their battle with Arkham, traces of the brother that Dante once loved appeared, leading Dante to not be able to do it. So Vergil's role in the finale of DMC3 is more or less psychological torture for Dante. And in DMC3, Vergil did himself in by purposefully jumping into the demon land. Thus adding to the emotional pain for Dante.
Vergil even shows that he somewhat cares for his brother at the VERY END by warning Dante.
It's all played out very subtly, TOO SUBTLY in fact.
The flaw with this one is that you have to read in between the lines
So again 4.5
Dante's role in the scene in both games:
I would put Dante's different role in both DMC3 and DmC in the category of their respective games, but there is no point as the role is exactly the same. In both games,
the role of Dante in the scene is flip side to the role of DMC3 Vergil. He is in the middle of an emotional struggle due to having to battle his own brother, saving lethality as a last resort, both of the games execute this EXTREMELY well, and as much as I hate to admit it, DmC did it as good as DMC3, so they get the same rating of 4.7 of 5. 0.3 points deducted because both scenes should've been longer to let the emotion on Dante's part sink in to the player
Dante's final resort in DMC3:
There's a few seconds that make DMC3 take the cake for me.
Of course I'm talking about how even after landing the almost-finishing blow on Vergil, Dante is STILL trying to save him.
However, despite my personal love of this version of Vergil's death, due to DmC Dante's more brutal, do-what-you-have-to nature.
It does not give DMC3's ending an edge over DmC's
DmC:
In DmC, Dante's way of dealing with Vergil was more of a 'You leave me no choice' moment, it was designed to be a version that fit the rebooted character's personality. After constant offers made to make peace with Vergil, Dante realized his brother was too arrogant to accept defeat, and unlike the 'Sesshōmaru with ten times more badassery'
Vergil from DMC3 who already was a cruel killer with a possible redemption arc. Vergil of DmC hadn't really had his time to shine as the sadistic killer that the DMC3 version was. So as said before, they killed him and put him in hell so that we could see him on the path to having his DMC3 counterpart's personality.
Now we get to the role where I have only ONE positive thing to say for the DmC version. The deuteragonist's role post-Vergil death.
Lady's role in the post-Vergil death scene:
The thing I loved about Lady's role in the Vergil death scene compared to ms.Marysuewho'sactressmakesitwork, is that Lady's role actually MAKES sense in the scene, she had just finished crying over the death of a corrupted ex-loved one. She knows where Dante is coming from. And instead of just one line, she had actual DIALOGUE with Dante. She showed sympathy, and then reminded him that he can prevent it from happening to other families, that his purpose is to stop the tyranny of the demons.
Again, you have to read in between the lines, but not too much this time.
4.8 of 5
Kat's Role post-Vergil Death Scene:
It sucked because Kat is a lame mary-sue Damsel in Distress, but Sage Mears is both a good actress and a hot actress
3 of 5
In conclusion.
As said above, both games handled this very well, but I have to say, DMC3 takes the cake by just a smidge. Of course I can't leave without saying the following about the DmC Vergil Death sceneView attachment 929
