What other publisher can take over the DmC series?

[mrrandomlulz]

Not in DMC2 or DmC (not counting VD DLC since that wasn't the real one)

okay, 1 of 5 didn't have it.
( I AM counting VD so I have an excuse to exclude DMC2)

 

[EA9Sol]

You can't call yourself an Evil Dead fan if you had a problem with the remake. I am an Evil Dead fanatic. The Evil Dead trilogy are some of my favorite movies of all time and the remake was everything The Evil Dead should be without being just some carbon copy of the original. Same Raimi and Bruce Cambell were still on board and it was basically them just remaking their own movie with a budget this time.

The remake was unapologetically gory and kept true to the spirit of The Evil Dead. The remake was one o those few remakes done right and it was.....

Yes. The remake of Evil Dead was fantastic! It made me cringe so many time. I want more!!!!

I still want to see Atlus give it a shot. I mean most of their games involve demons all ready. But, bottom line is.....I just want a Devil May Cry game! I need mah HnS fix. Until then, I'll be playing Devil May Cry!

 

[Enigma]

I hate Team Ninja for crippling the Metroid franchise with Other M...that doesn't mean I want to toss every copy of Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive into a lava-filled crevice. If you hate DmC, that's fine...but Ninja Theory has honestly made some really good games, most notably Heavenly Sword and Enslaved: Journey to the West (the latter of which Taneem Antoniades had nothing to do with).

You mixed up something there. The developer that created Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive is Team Ninja, not Ninja Theory. I'd even prefer Team Ninja over Ninja Theory for a new Devil May Cry, though. Still, my vote goes to Platinum Games, if they'll have it. They've got the creator of DMC1, after all. Sadly, as far as I know, they were pretty negative about doing another Devil May Cry in the past. But then I heard Kamiya was interested, so... yay! Itsuno also expressed interest, so... maybe they should work something out.

 

[Vergil'sBitch]

I was thinking about a Devil May Cry in the style of The Wolf Among Us... not sure if Telltale games could handle a franchise like DMC (or DmC) though.

 

[WolfOD64]

...you're new here aren't you?

I'm not a stranger to the popular opinion on DmC, if that's what you mean. That's old news...and tired news, to be frank. But swearing off an entire development team based on the harbored disdain for one project? That's a new one.

I can only hope you don't employ that logic for companies like SEGA. That must mean you haven't played a Sonic game in years.

 

[WolfOD64]

You mixed up something there. The developer that created Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive is Team Ninja, not Ninja Theory. I'd even prefer Team Ninja over Ninja Theory for a new Devil May Cry, though. Still, my vote goes to Platinum Games, if they'll have it. They've got the creator of DMC1, after all. Sadly, as far as I know, they were pretty negative about doing another Devil May Cry in the past. But then I heard Kamiya was interested, so... yay! Itsuno also expressed interest, so... maybe they should work something out.

I'm well aware that Team Ninja was the Devs responsible for Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive. I was knowingly making an analogy to a different company besides Ninja Theory.

If I had to pick out of Kamiya or Itsuno, I'd pick Itsuno. He helped supervise the combat in DMC3, DMC4, and DmC (Yes, apparently his input was crucial during DmC's development). He's helped make---in my opinion---the best games in the series (even though his first project in the series was DMC2, though. Not a good start, but he redeemed himself three times over). I'd like to see him team up with some other Developer to make DMC5/DmC2.

Suda51, maybe?

 

[Chancey289]

I'm well aware that Team Ninja was the Devs responsible for Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive. I was knowingly making an analogy to a different company besides Ninja Theory.

If I had to pick out of Kamiya or Itsuno, I'd pick Itsuno. He helped supervise the combat in DMC3, DMC4, and DmC (Yes, apparently his input was crucial during DmC's development). He's helped make---in my opinion---the best games in the series (even though his first project in the series was DMC2, though. Not a good start, but he redeemed himself three times over). I'd like to see him team up with some other Developer to make DMC5/DmC2.

Suda51, maybe?

Redeemed himself with 3 and right back in the sh!t hole with 4. Also only after messing up canon and turning the Dante I liked in 1 to some idiot who thinks he's cooler than he actually is.

And while I love Suda 51 for his ideas his games always become this, cool and unique ideas with universally agreed mediocre gameplay.

Eh, my favorite Suda51 game actually isn't a hack n slash but an overlooked little gem on the Gamecube called Killer 7. I'd like to see that game expanded upon and polished up.

 

[WolfOD64]

Redeemed himself with 3 and right back in the sh!t hole with 4. Also only after messing up canon and turning the Dante I liked in 1 to some idiot who thinks he's cooler than he actually is.

And while I love Suda 51 for his ideas his games always become this, cool and unique ideas with universally agreed mediocre gameplay.

Eh, my favorite Suda51 game actually isn't a hack n slash but an overlooked little gem on the Gamecube called Killer 7. I'd like to see that game expanded upon and polished up.

W-Wait a minute...you're saying that...you didn't like what they did to Dante in DMC3?
I'm...I'm not alone in my opinion...?

It's...n-not possible.
Excuse me. I have to, um...have a nice, cool scotch with a side of blotter-acid. I need something, ANYTHING to wake me up from this incredulous dream my fragile mind is deluding me with.

 

[Chancey289]

W-Wait a minute...you're saying that...you didn't like what they did to Dante in DMC3?
I'm...I'm not alone in my opinion...?

It's...n-not possible.
Excuse me. I have to, um...have a nice, cool scotch with a side of blotter-acid. I need something, ANYTHING to wake me up from this incredulous dream my fragile mind is deluding me with.

Yea. While I still like to play the game itself, I never liked what they did to the characters. He seemed to have lost that campy self awareness he had in the first game. I don't know, it's just none of the sequels really captured the spirit of DMC 1 again. I still enjoyed playing the hell outta 3 but the cast, eh not so much.

 

[WolfOD64]

Yea. While I still like to play the game itself, I never liked what they did to the characters. He seemed to have lost that campy self awareness he had in the first game. I don't know, it's just none of the sequels really captured the spirit of DMC 1 again. I still enjoyed playing the hell outta 3 but the cast, eh not so much.

Dude, I'm beginning to think we were cloned from the same genes. I literally feel the same way about the characters in 1 and 3. I've despised DMC3 Dante from the unholy second he came in on screen, plopping his edgy ass on a table and scarfing pizza. That persona of Dante is the one non-fans associate with the character, and it makes me sick when looking back at Hideki Kamiya's original vision for the character. Or at least, that's my unbridled, dogmatic fanboy interpretation on the matter.

As for Suda51 making lackluster gameplay, you aren't entirely wrong. As much as I like Killer is Dead and Lollipop Chainsaw, their gameplay leaves a little to be desired. That's why I think a collaboration between Suda and Itsuno would mean the former working on the story and cinematics, while the latter works on the gameplay. I've always liked the bizarre, almost nonsensically-abstract storytelling in Suda51 games, and I'd like to see that style harnessed for the over-the-top might of DMC. I feel like any time the series tries to take Dante and Co. into a serious situation or plot corner, it falls over its face on the dialogue and writing. The rainy confrontation with Vergil, the "evul" of characters like Arkham and Mundus, the baseless implications of romance between Dante and Trish/Lady...I could never take any of it seriously.

 

[Innsmouth]

You can't call yourself an Evil Dead fan if you had a problem with the remake. I am an Evil Dead fanatic. The Evil Dead trilogy are some of my favorite movies of all time and the remake was everything The Evil Dead should be without being just some carbon copy of the original. Same Raimi and Bruce Cambell were still on board and it was basically them just remaking their own movie with a budget this time.

The remake was unapologetically gory and kept true to the spirit of The Evil Dead. The remake was one o those few remakes done right and it was.....

I think this: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_evil_dead_2013/ and this http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the-evil-dead/
pretty much summarize it. It wasn't on pair with any previous ED movie. Gore alone isn't enough when the rest is lackluster. It has to much copy-paste scenes of original, actors were ok, but could have been better. Gore attempted to be shocking, but in the end falls flat on the face. It was pretty mediocre in all it parameters. It could have been much better, and to be honest it's scores on rotten tomatoes talks louder than anything that you have to say

 

[Chancey289]

I never saw Dante and Trish as anything romantic, I mean, she does look exactly like his mom so it's kinda weird don't you think? Unless Dante just has a mom fetish then I'm just like, whatever floats his boat I guess.

I think this: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_evil_dead_2013/ and this http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the-evil-dead/
pretty much summarize it. It wasn't on pair with any previous ED movie. Gore alone isn't enough when the rest is lackluster. It has to much copy-paste scenes of original, actors were ok, but could have been better. Gore attempted to be shocking, but in the end falls flat on the face. It was pretty mediocre in all it parameters. It could have been much better, and to be honest it's scores on rotten tomatoes talks louder than anything that you have to say

Do you have opinions of your own or are you gonna keep referring to these typical critics who most likely aren't a part of the cult following of die hard Evil Dead fans.

This was a movie that was remaking the original Evil Dead, a movie that wasn't a comedy and when it even says how it lacks humor in the description, that right there shows you how much they know. The original Evil Dead was a straight up horror flick that even under a very small budget made created great practical effects for its time remembered mainly for how over the top and graphic it was. From the tree rape scene to the deadites monsterous transformation, The Evil Dead wasn't the most successful movie ever but over time people began to appreciate its beauty.

You must have not seen either movie because the ONLY scenes that are actually from the original flick in the remake (with a bigger budget) is the tree rape scene and when they toss the deadite girl in the cellar to. Every thing else is pretty much a completely different set up.

The five characters aren't going in to the woods to get away, they're there to try and help Mia fight her drug addiction to keep her from relapsing. There is no Ash in the remake which cuts so many scenes that he made in the original. Hell, the remake goes even further than the original ever did by having the final act in the movie Mia facing the demon that was never even summoned in the original. It gives nods to the original and some scenes you can see references (like the necklace Ash gave his girlfriend) but other than just a couple of iconic scenes Sam Raimi (the creator of Evil Dead and producer of the remake) felt like he needed to include are there. The rest of the movie is Evil Dead reimagined with and we get a new adventure at that infamous cabin in the woods.

So the fail lies with you Innsmouth. Because you are not an Evil Dead fan, nor have you actually seen the films. Man, I can't even go a month without watching me some Evil Dead 2: Dead by Dawn (my personal favorite) or Army of Darkness.

Deadites forever. And..........

 

[Innsmouth]

I never saw Dante and Trish as anything romantic, I mean, she does look exactly like his mom so it's kinda weird don't you think? Unless Dante just has a mom fetish then I'm just like, whatever floats his boat I guess.

Do you have opinions of your own or are you gonna keep referring to these typical critics who most likely aren't a part of the cult following of die hard Evil Dead fans.

This was a movie that was remaking the original Evil Dead, a movie that wasn't a comedy and when it even says how it lacks humor in the description, that right there shows you how much they know. The original Evil Dead was a straight up horror flick that even under a very small budget made created great practical effects for its time remembered mainly for how over the top and graphic it was. From the tree rape scene to the deadites monsterous transformation, The Evil Dead wasn't the most successful movie ever but over time people began to appreciate its beauty.

You DO realize that Rotten Tomato features not only voice of critics but also voice of fans. (no obviously, not, since you don't have a clue about one of the biggest and most relevant movie sites) And most gave it mediocre reviews, while being long-time fans. I mean there is of course so called "fans" who will eat any crappy idea just because it has label on it, but at least don't be so obvious about it. If you read critics they pretty much confirm everything i said, so sorry, it's obvious that you don't have a slightest idea what a good movie, plot or writing even means. You may have watched enough amount of movies, but watching crappy B rated movies, won't help you to educate yourself. If you like it, it's your call. But calling it better than original or even living up to original...well

 

[Chancey289]

You DO realize that Rotten Tomato features not only voice of critics but also voice of fans. (no obviously, not, since you don't have a clue about one of the biggest and most relevant movie sites) And most gave it mediocre reviews, while being long-time fans. I mean there is of course so called "fans" who will eat any crappy idea just because it has label on it, but at least don't be so obvious about it. If you read critics they pretty much confirm everything i said, so sorry, it's obvious that you don't have a slightest idea what a good movie, plot or writing even means. You may have watched enough amount of movies, but watching crappy B rated movies, won't help you to educate yourself. If you like it, it's your call. But calling it better than original or even living up to original...well

You're just pretentious and obnoxious. Tell me, have you seen the films yourself? Or are you just going to continue to straw man and try and call me stupid?

The original films are B movie camp and I know that, it's also why I can appreciate them. It gives them a special charm. It's the same kind of camp the Devil May Cry series embraced with it's cheesy one liners and over the top obsession with style.

And sure, I don't have good taste in films and only watch B movie schlock. I mean, only some of my favorite films of all time are
-Fight Club
-Princess Mononoke
-Pulp Fiction
-Donnie Darko
-Akira
-Battle Royale
-Ghostbusters
-Clerks
-Oldboy
-I Saw The Devil
-Robocop (original now f#ck that remake)

The list goes on. I am a huge movie buff. I know what Rotten Tomatoes is and I don't care about critics. The most important opinion is my own to me . I'm not the type of person to condemn remakes as there are some out there that are even better than the original and this idea that they can never be is hackneyed at this point.

Hell, some of the most classic movies of all time are actually just remakes or adaptions. Scarface with Al Pacino? Remake. The Maltese Falcon, remake. The Wizard of Oz, remake. A Fistful of Dollars, remake. The list goes on. Remakes aren't always bad and out of all the other damn horror remakes this was one I was VERY skeptical about. Being such a fan of the franchise if anyone was gonna punch someone in the face for this movie being bad, it was gonna be me. I approached it with extreme caution. But goddamn Sam Raimi and Bruce Cambell have been wanting to remake Evil Dead and they served the franchise justice. I mean, it's only their movie that they were remaking basically.

And yea, keep trying to act like I don't know what proper story telling is. You're the one who doesn't see DMC for the big slice of cheese it is and try to call it intellectual just for taking inspiration from The Divine Comedy which isn't anything too special for one and they do nothing but turn things from Dante Alighieri's terrifying tale of a man's descent in to Hell in to nothing but trite and generic anime tropes.

It's like someone trying to make a biopic about Theodore Roosevelt and turning him in to basically Duke Nukem with The Rough Riders being a bunch of dudes who look like they're from Escape From New York or something.

 

[Enigma]

And here we go again with the ''DMC is anime-like, so it's crap'' or ''DMC has clichés, so it's crap'' bullsh!t. Seriously, this happens every time, even when people don't say anything about DMC or DmC. And even when the original argument was completely different. Nobody is saying DMC did not have its flaws, okay? That's just what you make of it. Just because one or two of your opinions is opposed by someone else's opinion, that does not mean they are ignoring all of DMC's faults. It just means that what you consider flaws is partly subjective. Proper storytelling? I thought DMC3 did fine. I would argue DmC is worse than DMC3, as it actually feeds non-script lines to the characters. ''The world is asleep, Dante'' blah blah. ''We're a secret organization... we're fighting back''... blah blah. It's like they're reading the first concept draft of DmC's story :laugh:
If you think DmC isn't generic in a single way, then you're blinding yourself to the truth. Whether they're western clichés or Japanese clichés, who gives a flying f*ck? The fact is, both the DMC series and DmC are hopelessly 'generic' in many ways, and it's no argument against those games' quality. Not everyone thinks games automatically become crap just because they contain clichés.
Also, saying that you ''can't be a fan of Evil Dead if you had a problem with the remake'' is just plain weird. Anyone can have problems with any movie. Fans do not by default like everything they're given (a prime example being DMC4). I kind of disliked the new X-Men movie too, as it just didn't do much for me. So yeah, as much as his opinion might not be well argumented, you can't just reject it from the get-go. If he feels many scenes are too similar to the ones from the first movie, fine.

Sorry about that, but I'm just... getting too old for this sh*t.

 

[Chancey289]

Aaaaaaand I never said, "DMC is anime so it's crap"

I am an avid anime fan myself but, anime does have its own very trite cliches and tropes and DMC adapts a lot of that and pretty much only that. Which is all I'm saying, it's not anything to really put on a high chair for. Unlike this mofo that seriously acts like it's smart.

And of course DmC is pretty generic. If anything that only pays more tribute to the original series am I right? Heh.

Plus to top it all off, I can dig cheese and camp. I enjoy lots of different things. For every piece of cheese I enjoy for fun I have a piece of like my Lovecraft Anthology or something on the side. (which reminds me how I need to organize my bookshelf because it's getting crowded ) I just won't act like cheese is anything more than just that though. Just basically the point I was trying to make.

 

[Innsmouth]

You're just pretentious and obnoxious. Tell me, have you seen the films yourself? Or are you just going to continue to straw man and try and call me stupid?

Yes i saw them. It's pretty obvious, otherwise i would never even mention it. Not that i expect you to believe me, since you won't believe your own mother about your birthday, if you didn't liked the date :/

The original films are B movie camp and I know that, it's also why I can appreciate them. It gives them a special charm. It's the same kind of camp the Devil May Cry series embraced with it's cheesy one liners and over the top obsession with style.

They are. Just like Critters, Gremlins, Ghostbusters and most other cult classics in B rated category.

The most important opinion is my own to me.

It's hard not to notice, especially since you start to scream "U A STUPID" at everything that goes against it.

I'm not the type of person to condemn remakes as there are some out there that are even better than the original and this idea that they can never be is hackneyed at this point.

I don't care wether it's reboot, original title or sequel. I only look at how well it made.

Remakes aren't always bad and out of all the other damn horror remakes Sam Raimi and Bruce Cambell have been wanting to remake Evil Dead and they served the franchise justice. I mean, it's only their movie that they were remaking basically.

Remakes aren't always bad, but in the case of ED it fails to live up to it's original. It's not THE worst horror movie i saw, it's just mediocre as it is. It had much more potential that they actually used. Relying solely on gore and trying to make it into AAA Slasher film did it no justice.

And yea, keep trying to act like I don't know what proper story telling is. You're the one who doesn't see DMC for the big slice of cheese it is and try to call it intellectual just for taking inspiration from The Divine Comedy which isn't anything too special for one and they do nothing but turn things from Dante Alighieri's terrifying tale of a man's descent in to Hell in to nothing but trite and generic anime tropes.

1. It has not connection to current discussion. 2. Elaborate, you calling DMC nothing special or Divine Comedy? If you talking about first, well it's a game. It doesn't tries to be a movie. It's good for what it is. It has cool setting, characters and enemies. IT's not quantic dream QTE movies. IF you call Divine Comedy nothing special, I'm afraid case closed :/

 

[Chancey289]

Yes i saw them. It's pretty obvious, otherwise i would never even mention it. Not that i expect you to believe me, since you won't believe your own mother about your birthday, if you didn't liked the date :/

They are. Just like Critters, Gremlins, Ghostbusters and most other cult classics in B rated category.


It's hard not to notice, especially since you start to scream "U A STUPID" at everything that goes against it.

I don't care wether it's reboot, original title or sequel. I only look at how well it made.
Remakes aren't always bad, but in the case of ED it fails to live up to it's original. It's not THE worst horror movie i saw, it's just mediocre as it is. It had much more potential that they actually used. Relying solely on gore and trying to make it into AAA Slasher film did it no justice.

1. It has not connection to current discussion. 2. Elaborate, you calling DMC nothing special or Divine Comedy? If you talking about first, well it's a game. It doesn't tries to be a movie. It's good for what it is. It has cool setting, characters and enemies. IT's not quantic dream QTE movies. IF you call Divine Comedy nothing special, I'm afraid case closed :/

Ok, evidently you don't know how to read AND write.

I didn't say The Divine Comedy isn't special or anything. I said just taking inspiration from something isn't worthy of praise if you still just don't do anything worth while with that inspiration. And what DMC does with The Divine Comedy is just borderline parody.

I like The Divine Comedy. I have it sitting on my shelf being the big bookworm I am. I'm willing to bet you haven't even read the story.

Now back to Evil Dead, for one, it isn't a slasher flick. Slasher is like its own sub genre in horror movies bro. And of course I'm gonna call you out on your BS. You use OTHER people's opinions in an argument about what is good or bad making you seem like you don't have a mind of your own for one and when I called you out on stuff you got wrong about the films, you still never countered or answered so I'm still just gonna say you're playing strawman.

Finally, Ghostbusters, a B movie? Because Bill Murray, Sigourney Weaver, Dan Aykroyd, and Harold Ramis sure are B movie acting talent. I mean, people like Bill Murray and Sigourney Weaver are only Academy Award nominated actors and Harold Ramis was only one of the greatest and most influential comedy writers in film history.

Pffffttt what do they know about anything more than B movies?

 

[Innsmouth]

Ok, evidently you don't know how to read AND write.

I didn't say The Divine Comedy isn't special or anything. I said just taking inspiration from something isn't worthy of praise if you still just don't do anything worth while with that inspiration. And what DMC does with The Divine Comedy is just borderline parody.

Nothing worthy like creating cult classic game? ...ok, good to know. Because you know, you can't completely separate gameplay from the rest. It's package that counts.

I like The Divine Comedy. I have it sitting on my shelf being the big bookworm I am. I'm willing to bet you haven't even read the story.

Well because if you disagree with someone it means he didn't read or played anything he talks about. I'm not going to debate on it. I only gonna say that I never gonna debate about things i haven't seen, played or read.

Now back to Evil Dead, for one, it isn't a slasher flick. Slasher is like its own sub genre in horror movies bro. And of course I'm gonna call you out on your BS. You use OTHER people's opinions in an argument about what is good or bad making you seem like you don't have a mind of your own for one and when I called you out on stuff you got wrong about the films, you still never countered or answered so I'm still just gonna say you're playing strawman.

I told you my opinion, you started screaming its wrong and i haven'T saw the movie. I showed you that many people share it. You continued your denial. Now you attempt to accuse me that I just copy opinion of others....*sigh* As for your "arguments" they are nothing but subjective opinion and mostly based on childish "Because i said so!". New ED tries to concentrate on gore scenes while letting suspense and atmosphere down instead. Thats why it looks more like slasher movie than like mystery/supernatural horror.

Finally, Ghostbusters, a B movie? Because Bill Murray, Sigourney Weaver, Dan Aykroyd, and Harold Ramis sure are B movie acting talent. I mean, people like Bill Murray and Sigourney Weaver are only Academy Award nominated actors and Harold Ramis was only one of the greatest and most influential comedy writers in film history.

Pffffttt what do they know about anything more than B movies?

And than Ghostbusters itself basically tries to parody Lovecraft and other horror ghost stories with cheesy writing. No doubt great movie, but it doesn't attempt to be clever. It's attempts to be silly on purpose. Well though if considering spec.effects, it probably was over B production. I forgot how old it is actually.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

And than Ghostbusters itself basically tries to parody Lovecraft and other horror ghost stories with cheesy writing. No doubt great movie, but it doesn't attempt to be clever. It's attempts to be silly on purpose. Well though if considering spec.effects, it probably was over B production. I forgot how old it is actually.

Holy sh!t now. Ghostbusters was not a B-movie. It's a big budget sci-fi/paranormal comedy, of course it's "attempting to be silly on purpose". I'm also gonna call bullsh!t on Ghostbusters being a parody of Lovecraft, Aykroyd and Ramis never wrote those movies with Lovecraft in mind. Hell, the original script for Ghostbusters had them in space going through a goddamn hell dimension, but they had to cut it back a whole bunch because it would have cost something like $300 million to make, and for a movie in the 80s, that was never gonna happen. Inspired by Lovecraft in some way? Perhaps, but not a parody at all.

Do you even know what "B-movie" means? It's a movie that has a dreadfully low budget and low production values, which then owe to mediocre actors and the common cheesy acting. Movies of this kind were shown after big budget, A-list movies, the ones people really wanted to see. B-list movies were something only dedicated moviegoers would bother with, and drew less of a crowd because of their low budgets.

Ghostbusters cost $30 million dollars to make and had a cast and crew full of extremely high profile talent. It is in no way a B-movie. It's not even campy! It was written as a comedy!

Do you even know what a parody is? It's taking a well-known style of something, and then exaggerating it to an incredible degree for humors sake, the same as satire. Movies like Naked Gun that parody spy and action movies, but not Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters isn't parodying anything, certainly not Lovecraft, it's just a comedy written by two guys who know comedy with a hook of "dudes who catch ghosts but are easily spooked".

Are we gonna get on the definitions of words again that you'll just ignore...?