Is Vergil good or evil in DMC3? And Why?

[MephistoCarnival]

I feel the same way. I was just responding to some people who seem to take offense to DMC3 being anime-like. I actually like that, and I feel that we have enough 'realistic' games as it is. If I have to choose between obnoxious realistic characters and a contrived plot, and a game that plays out as manga, I'll take the latter.
And yeah, I feel the same about Vergil. The moment I saw him in a trailer talking to Dante, I just thought: ''Nope''. Just like with DmC Dante. I have to like characters or genuinely hate them before I can care about what happens to them. With DmC, it was just a case of bad characterization.

I've seen such people too.
They're whining on how anime it looks like and it ruins everything,and they say they're too smart and mature to play anime-like games when in fact they look only on the surface,on how it looks rather than what it contains,what story and/or feelings it shares to the audience.
Many video games who aren't that realistic looking are appreciated: Final Fantasy,Shin Megami Tensei etc. and there's no problem with that. Not to add it was imposible back then to make a realistic looking game because the graphics weren't so improved. They just focus on visuals rather than on content and that's sad.
I can play an anime/cartoon looking game and also a realistic looking game,I don't care so much in which style they're done as long as they're good.

Seriously now,aren't people tired of so much westernization after 50 years? What's so wrong if something eastern becomes more likeable,as long as it's not bad and still as good or maybe better?

Yes,I know.I thought he was a little bit too...emotional and weak for me to take him as Vergil. He could have been named John and I'd be cool:lol:,I couldn't bring myself to become attached to him as a character that I used to know.(I'd have liked him to have a voice actor with a more deep voice and to be more serious) At first I really didn't like him,but now I'm somehow curious about a continuation to see if he becomes more to my liking.
DmC Dante..hmm I kind of like him,especially by the end,at first I just really wanted to throw a knife through my computer's screen but by the end he became more bearable and I started to like him somehow.:ermm:

OH and I agree with what you said about having to like characters before caring what happens to them,I'm like that,but I can also bring myself to like some of them little by little.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

But,I don't see anything wrong in a game being like an anime or like a cartoon,many games are similar in this aspect and can be entertaining.

IMO i think the crticim is legit DMC hasn't been artistically consistent DMC 2 was overly dark&bland and DMC 3 was overly flashy unlike DMC 1 which was a perfect blend of old resident evil's atmosphere and gothic art.

I can see why people who played DMC1 can be offput by DMC3's artstyle and story DMC 3 is written in a fashion like a cheap Shonen whereas DMC 1 is written more like a throwback to old style cheesy movies.

 

[MephistoCarnival]

IMO i think the crticim is legit DMC hasn't been artistically consistent DMC 2 was overly dark&bland and DMC 3 was overly flashy unlike DMC 1 which was a perfect blend of old resident evil's atmosphere and gothic art.

I can see why people who played DMC1 can be offput by DMC3's artstyle and story DMC 3 is written in a fashion like a cheap Shonen whereas DMC 1 is written more like a throwback to old style cheesy movies.

I swear if the characters weren't to have white hair with what on earth would they have been compared ? Really now.
I liked DMC3's idea. It's a good reboot to DMC1,it gives us more insight of Dante's family,especially his brother,and a development to Dante.And I liked its spin-off and it gave Vergil's corupted form,Nelo Angelo, more credibility as why he became like that.I agree its been made in an anime kind of way,but I don't find something terrible in this.
DMC3 also had a gothic feeling,especially at the beginning in the narration and the level designs were nice giving some dark atmosphere which DMC1 also had.

I'd pick both DMC1 and DMC3 as favourites.

 

[Stylish Nero]

True that... BUT you do know that Anime is very very diverse ??

As in DMC 1 gives vibes of animes like Hellsing and Berserk and DMC 3 gives vibes of animes like Inuyasha and Naruto.

Berserk......HELLSING???

Geez you put DMC1 at that a high pedastool.

DMC1 is pretty dark and serious at times but at heart was always campy and nonsensical like the games after it.

Kamiya himself said that Cobra, a Shonen manga, was his inspiration for making DMC. So DMC1 was inspired by a Shonen manga and Cobra isn't an underground manga either it was extremely popular among young and teen boys selling 30 million copies making it one of the highest selling Shonen Jump series of all time.

If anything anything closer to the feel of Berserk and Hellsing should be the DMC3 mangas and DMC2 mangas because those are officially classified as seinen mangas.

DMC never turned into a Shonen it was always a Shonen.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I swear if the characters weren't to have white hair with what on earth would they have been compared ?

Looks familiar right ?? white hair MUST BE ANIME RELATED !!!:lol:

I liked DMC3's idea. It's a good reboot to DMC1

Gameplay wise.. HELLYES,Story&Artistic direction ??? HELL NO ! it sucks in terms of story and it sucks in terms of artistic value. the level designs are bland and forgettable compared to DMC1's full of rich detailed backgrounds.

I agree its been made in an anime kind of way

OKAY I think you have no idea of what you're a talking right now.

Anime is just a part of animated medium it can be used for making various kind of entertainment.. entertainment for kids,entertainment for adults and entertainment for teenagers&kids.

DMC 1 is very much like anime too and it has way better writing i'm only talking about writing here not anything else.

DMC3 also had a gothic feeling,especially at the beginning in the narration and the level designs were nice giving some dark atmosphere which DMC1 also had.

Nope it does not have the Resident evil backgrounds&level design it only has dark bland,generically designed environments.

I'd pick both DMC1 and DMC3 as favourites.

They're my favorites too actually.

 

[Lionheart]

I found DMC3 to be very similar to DMC1 in style. I can't take anyone seriously who says DMC1's environments are original and DMC3's are bland and generically designed. It's like arguing that the mannequin enemies are more original than those coffin-bearing demons and other demons in DMC3. Mannequins would be some of the first things I'd consider when making a horror-ish game. So yeah, that argument is pure nonsense.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Stop calling other people's arguments "pure nonsense". It doesn't help your case.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I found DMC3 to be very similar to DMC1 in style. I can't take anyone seriously who says DMC1's environments are original and DMC3's are bland and generically designed.

Yes of coruse they are all..

Can you name one one level which matches Griffon's level ? can you say that the DMC 3's temigru was as well designed as mundus's castle ? mundus's Castle really felt like a castle whereas tem-ni-gru was just like a fighting arena.

Again enemy designs in DMC1 are way better.

 

[Vergil the Dark Slayer]

Technically he is evil he tried to kill his brother he, wanted to open the gate of the demon world which would make chaos and a lot of people may die. But he is not doing that he is just a bad person he is doing it because he was not able to kill the demons and defend his mother, in the last battle DMC3 between vergil and dante vergil mention that he want more power and that is because he couldn't protect his mother from the demons so he don't want it to happen again with him, I think it is very horrible to see your mother killed in front of you and you are not able to help her that is why he have done all the evil stuff just to gain enough power so he can protect the people he love (even though I don't think vergil like anyone anymore)

 

[Lionheart]

Stop calling other people's arguments "pure nonsense". It doesn't help your case.

Stop being an ass, as that doesn't help your case. Don't want to read it or acknowledge it, then don't. No need to be a prick about it. At least I gave an argument, not one line of hate-mongering like you have now.

 

[Lionheart]

Yes of coruse they are all..

Can you name one one level which matches Griffon's level ? can you say that the DMC 3's temigru was as well designed as mundus's castle ? mundus's Castle really felt like a castle whereas tem-ni-gru was just like a fighting arena.

Again enemy designs in DMC1 are way better.

Well, that's just it, isn't it? DMC1 was very generic gothic castle stuff, whereas DMC3 at least tried something different. Not hard to see, considering DMC1 was supposed to be RE4 at first.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

DMC1 was very generic gothic castle stuff

lol wut ? you do realize that DMC3 is actually worse than DMC 1 if you go by what you just said ? i was only talking about level designs and details.

whereas DMC3 at least tried something different.

The most generic bland Fighting arenas are better than uniquely designed levels which gives a good scope of the atmosphere ? i disagree.

If DmC has one redeemable quality it has to be its level designing and artistic style because even though its not of my liking i can appreciate the efforts NT has put into making them.

Not hard to see, considering DMC1 was supposed to be RE4 at first.

Except they scrapped it immediately and worked 2 years to make DMC1.

 

[Lionheart]

lol wut ? you do realize that DMC3 is actually worse than DMC 1 if you go by what you just said ? i was only talking about level designs and details.The most generic bland Fighting arenas are better than uniquely designed levels which gives a good scope of the atmosphere ? i disagree.

If DmC has one redeemable quality it has to be its level designing and artistic style because even though its not of my liking i can appreciate the efforts NT has put into making them.Except they scrapped it immediately and worked 2 years to make DMC1.

Two years is not that long, trust me. Have you played RE4?

Look, I'm not going to debate this with someone who seems more guided by nostalgia than anything else. Anyone who's played the games and has some understanding of games can agree. I will not get into a 'yes it is, no it isn't' argument. Got valid points to make, then make them, but don't go "nu-uh". Ain't nobody got time for that!

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Two years is not that long, trust me. Have you played RE4?

Yup and love everybit of it and DMC1 almost has nothing to with RE4 in anyway. i actually digress because this is getting offtopic.. let's just agree that vergil's evil >_>.

Look, I'm not going to debate this with someone who seems more guided by nostalgia than anything else

That has to be you not me buddy.

I can see which game is superior in terms of level designing&artistic direction DmC&DMC1 both have great level designs and art direction DMC 3 sadly doesn't.

Do you think i have nostalgia for DmC too ?

 

[MephistoCarnival]

lol wut ? you do realize that DMC3 is actually worse than DMC 1 if you go by what you just said ? i was only talking about level designs and details.The most generic bland Fighting arenas are better than uniquely designed levels which gives a good scope of the atmosphere ? i disagree.

If DmC has one redeemable quality it has to be its level designing and artistic style because even though its not of my liking i can appreciate the efforts NT has put into making them.Except they scrapped it immediately and worked 2 years to make DMC1.

Actually DMC3 gave something more original compared to DMC1.

Remember that 'Colosseum' like design where you fight Geryon? Now I found it pretty cool.
Also,the Cube room and the Love Planet,a similar one being in DmC. The Opera House in which you fight Nevan.
And when you go in the 18th mission when you're before the HellGate? That one was actually a pretty amazing level design for its time. The chessboard boss level and so on.
DMC3 had amazing level concepts and bosses and DMC1 also had,personally I love gothic atmosphere,the one DMC1 had but DMC3 did brought something different when it comes to level design and I credit it for that.
DMC1 had an amazing gothic atmosphere but also did DMC3,but on more stylish level.I loved the atmosphere in the beginning when Lady was narrating and it gave a gloomy and dark feeling to the story.

As I said countless times when it comes to graphics and visuals,it's quite pointless to compare DmC with the previous ones,except DMC4 (which had amazing textures), being the fact that the franchise is 12 years old. DmC has beautiful level designs and I love them,but the previous ones also had for their time.

In fact DmC borrowed so many ideas from its predecesors to create something unique on its own.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Actually DMC3 gave something more original compared to DMC1.

This is getting off topic >_> anyway you're biased except for amazing supercool gameplay DMC3 is a downgrade from DMC1 in every sense the story is halfassed,the game's length is small,the level designing is generic,no metal/creepy Soundtrack etc.

Remember that 'Colosseum' like design where you fight Geryon? Now I found it pretty cool.

lol that actually proves my point that everything is DMC3 is like giant fighting arena with no creative environments even many game reviews say that.

Also,the Cube room and the Love Planet,a similar one being in DmC. The Opera House in which you fight Nevan.

They all look pretty much like fighting arenas to me large vacant space with no director's choice camera angles and less detailed backgrounds.

And when you go in the 18th mission when you're before the HellGate?

DMC 1's hellish version of the levels are much more "hellish"

I love Gothic atmosphere,the one DMC1

DMC 3 also has the same kind of atmosphere as DMC1 only less detailed and shoddily designed.

DMC3 did brought something different

Only in terms of gameplay.

it's quite pointless to compare DmC with the previous ones

No it isn't >_> because i'm not talking about how much HD the game is i'm talking about artistic direction and meta-morphing levels in DmC they were pretty cool.

In fact DmC borrowed so many ideas from its predecesors to create something unique on its own.

Same goes for DMC3.

 

[Frost]

Late to the party, but anyways.

Vergil is neither good or evil. He wants to gain power because he's devasteted by the fact that he couldn't protect his mother and brother. He's learned that the only way to survive in the world is to gain more and more power. That's his mission, and he doesn't care how it affects others because he thinks everyone else is just as selfish and desparate to meet their goals. Vergil's intention is not to hurt others, it's just a byproduct of his hunger for power. He doesn't actively seek the misfortune of others, he just doesn't care if somebody dies because of him. Sure he tries to kill Dante to obtain his amulet, and he tries to kill Arkham because he fears that the man becomes a hindrance to him, or worse, an enemy. These acts, however, don't make him an evil character. Heroes, antiheroes and any other characters have attempted to kill someone else to further their own agenda.

I would also hope people to realise that every DMC game has brought new and interesting things in terms of artistic design. We all have our preferences, but that doesn't mean we can just dismiss the efforts put into each game. DMC1 had amazingly detailed gothic architecture, DMC3 had varied and imaginative designs that really gave a demonic vibe, DMC2's attempts at bringing the action to a modern day setting were interesting if not successful, DmC's Limbo was unique and colorful but sadly very repetitive. I prefer the gothic setting of the original game, but I can also understand why many people find Limbo's looks so compelling, for example.

 

[MephistoCarnival]

This is getting off topic >_> anyway you're biased except for amazing supercool gameplay DMC3 is a downgrade from DMC1 in every sense the story is halfassed,the game's length is small,the level designing is generic,no metal/creepy Soundtrack etc.lol that actually proves my point that everything is DMC3 is like giant fighting arena with no creative environments.They all look pretty much like fighting arenas to me large vacant space with no director's choice camera angles and less detailed backgrounds. DMC 1's hellish version of the levels are much more creepierDMC 3 also has the same kind of atmosphere as DMC1 only less detailed and shoddily designed.Only in terms of gameplay.No it isn't >_> because i'm not talking about resolutions of how much HD the game i'm talking about artistic details like whole game being all comic book like and meta-morphing levels in DmC they were pretty cool. Same goes for DMC3.

OF COURSE DMC3 had to borrow the ideas from its predecessors . Isn't it a DMC game? Do you expect it to borrow something from Animal Crossing? If it was to bring something completely unique,then what it wouldn't have been DMC anymore.

And,if it was to be in the same manner people would get bored.DMC3 brought something more youthful,stylish because it was the start of the story to focus on Dante's development.

I liked the story of DMC3,sure,it wasn't brilliant,but story has never been one of DMC's strong parts.
I'd take DMC3's version anytime over DMC1's version in which we don't see anything before,nothing about Dante's youth,his real brother,how he became like that etc. Even though DMC1 Dante is my favourite, I accept DMC3 as a good prequel to it.

I mean in DMC3 we get to see a younger,careless Dante becoming the responsible man he is in DMC1.This character development added to weaker parts in DMC franchise.Also,we got to see interaction between him and Vergil,also the real Vergil,his goal/motivations and such,we got to see Lady,we got to see Dante and Vergil fighting,their skills and relationship.
And,Vergil's defeating thus resulting in his corruption by Mundus. Much more original than Vergil being corrupted at the age of 8 like DMC1 said.

Of course it's a fighting arena,hack n slash.And not everything is like that.DMC3 often changes the location,rather than always happening in a gothic castle adding interesting details and bosses.
I liked DMC changed it's direction than being a hack n' slash Resident Evil version.As much as I enjoyed DMC1,you can't say DMC3 wasn't good when it comes to more original bosses and such.
DmC itself took a lot from DMC3.
DmC also had amazing levels and I liked them,but things evolved and improved,DmC only added some original stuff itself,but the rest is from DMC. Something doesn't have to be comic-book like to be awesome.

 

[Frost]

Of course it's a fighting arena,hack n slash.And not everything is like that.DMC3 often changes the location,rather than always happening in a gothic castle adding interesting details and bosses.
I liked DMC changed it's direction than being a hack n' slash Resident Evil version.As much as I enjoyed DMC1,you can't say DMC3 wasn't good when it comes to more original bosses and such.
DmC itself took a lot from DMC3.
DmC also had amazing levels and I liked them,but things evolved and improved,DmC only added some original stuff itself,but the rest is from DMC. Something doesn't have to be comic-book like to be awesome.

Indeed, how is any hack 'n' slash game anything more than a fighting arena structurally? Sure you can have platforming and puzzle solving here and there, but it's kind of the point to have confined spaces where you can battle enemies.

DMC1 and 3 easily had the most unique and challenging bosses. In my opinion DMC1's bosses were cooler and more intimidating, but DMC3's bosses required more varied tactics to beat. Sadly the standard enemies in DMC3 were a lot more generic than the hellbeasts found in the original game.

And I think DmC took a lot more from DMC4 than from DMC3. Like the ability to pull enemies to you, or pull yourself to enemies, very similar to Nero's Devil Bringer. Also the mission ranking system was pretty much like in DMC4 where damage taken didn't affect the final score all that much. Avoiding damage was just a nice bonus, but taking it didn't lower the overall score like in DMC3 and earlier games.

This is really off-topic.

 

[DarkSlayerZero]

I liked the story of DMC3,sure,it wasn't brilliant,but story has never been one of DMC's strong parts.
I'd take DMC3's version anytime over DMC1's version in which we don't see anything before,nothing about Dante's youth,his real brother,how he became like that etc. Even though DMC1 Dante is my favourite, I accept DMC3 as a good prequel to it.

I mean in DMC3 we get to see a younger,careless Dante becoming the responsible man he is in DMC1.This character development added to weaker parts in DMC franchise.Also,we got to see interaction between him and Vergil,also the real Vergil,his goal/motivations and such,we got to see Lady,we got to see Dante and Vergil fighting,their skills and relationship.

And,Vergil's defeating thus resulting in his corruption by Mundus. Much more original than Vergil being corrupted at the age of 8 like DMC1 said.

1. I still take the book's version of Dante's past over 3 mostly due to consistency.

2. And we see him go from a responsible man to a man child in 4. The development was thrown out.

3. "Lost a mother and brother to evil 20 yrs ago" That doesn't mean he was corrupted as a child.